The Killing Fields

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This afternoon.

Steady on.

It’s not the Somme for pity’s sake.

*adjusts helmet*

FIGHT!

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61 thoughts on “The Killing Fields

  1. Mr.T

    If you’re still at risk after vaccinations the college will put you in a special room for the exam with much less people in it – the reality is 99.999999% of all the people sitting those exams will be totally fine

    1. Nigel

      That, of course, is assuming some proportion of the 99.999999% don’t have disabilities, underlying conditions, immunological issues, that they know about those issues if they have them, that they don’t have familiy members or otherwise share living space or work with people who have disabilities, underlying conditions or immunological issues. These are things you absolutely must not think about it when you’re trying to pretend covid is of no appreciable risk to anyone.

      1. Mr.T

        Are you denying that the vaccines prevent serious illness and death? Sounds like an anti-vaxxer standpoint from you nigel

          1. Mr.T

            I think that anyone vulnerable should get themselves vaccinated, and then they shall have nothing to fear. The vaccines work, right?

          2. Nigel

            But if you think vaccines are dangerous and/or uselss, why would you encourage people who are vulnerable to get them? Surely they’re more at risk from dangerous and/or uselss medicines? And of course immunocompromised people can’t get vaccinated.

      2. Cui Bono?

        Nigel, are you getting paid by the government or a company like Kinzen to be this hysterical?

        Or are you just hysterical by nature?

        1. Nigel

          Funny how concern for the vulnerable vanishes and becomes hysteria when pandemic-truthers feel like it.

          1. Cui Bono?

            Your overreaction to a virus with a similar IFR to the flu is hysterical.

            If you had your way humans would stay at home forever and we would never meet and die off safely. We would go extinct if everyone was like you.

          2. Nigel

            Your under-reaction to a virus that has killed 5.2 million so far is forced and baked-in and impossible to change now no matter what happens because you’ve over-committed and to admit you might be wrong would mean you had spent the last two and a half years making the worst, most damaging and dangerous arguments during a worldwide pandemic that has been flooded with lies and misinformation that has probably killed thousands, and who could face up to that?

          3. Cui Bono?

            It’s less than 5 million because of the way they were counted and all the data says so. We have covered this and many more points Nigel and you’re in denial.

            If anything you should at least be able to see the obvious divide and conquer.

          4. Nigel

            It’s more than 5.2 million because deaths have probably been under-reported. I do see the obvious divide and conquer. Someone – or someones – divided you off from civic society by persuading you that the unliateral collective actions of a civic society in response to a public health crisis are unnecessary and tyrannical, in order to conquer, or at least undermine, civic societies.

          5. Nigel

            Yeah, nobody’s buying into your somewhat desperate and icky line that people with underlying conditions don’t count, though, again, ‘feck the vulnerable’ is definitely the new ‘protect the vulnerable and let it run through the population!’

          6. Cui Bono?

            People with underlying conditions do count but in many cases its the underlying conditions that actually killed them Nigel. Many were not even tested for covid.

          7. Chris

            He’s not making an assumption, he’s speaking the truth. Something that utterly evades someone like you

          8. Cui Bono?

            As I’ve said many times on this site, I know 2 in their 80s that died from serious long term illness but are still to this day down as covid deaths. There’s definitely a lot more being counted as covid deaths that shouldn’t be.

        2. John

          I enjoy your joke arguments with knowledgeable people like Nigel.
          I was hoping for a battle of wits but you appear to be unarmed based upon the uneducated covid lies and misinformation you post. Let me guess… you’re the first person in your family without a tail?

          1. Chris

            Knowledgeable? Blind leading the blind more like. ‘uneducated covid lies’ – most of what I post is from accredited sources, that you can’t even entertain such information – means you are another gullible one, that’s swallowed the ‘narrative’ whole.

            Science is based on the study of information that is always under scrutiny – it is not a belief system. ‘Trust the Science!’ is an idiotic rallying call, that unfortunately, seems to be achieving it’s aims.

  2. Nigel

    ‘It’s not the Somme for pity’s sake.’

    Yes. Listen to Bodger and tone down the hyperbole. It isn’t as if it’s the greatest crime committed against humanity in all of history.

      1. Nigel

        Well, if you ever decide to make an actual case about what the right thing to freak out about is, feel free, till then, just sit back and leave gnomic comments and let the world rush heedlessly to its doom.

  3. Zaccone

    7 people under the age of 25 have died from covid in the last almost 2 years in Ireland. 6 of whom had serious underlying conditions. So its 1 healthy (or possibly not, they may have had an underlying health condition they didn’t know about) death. *ONE* in the entire country, in the whole corona time pandemic.

    These people are statistically at significantly higher risk of being killed in a car crash commuting to the exam hall than from covid…

      1. Zaccone

        Florida, with a population of 21million and almost no covid restrictions throughout this entire pandemic has had 8 deaths of people aged 0-20 with no known underlying health condition. In two years.

        Approx 20 people per year aged 15-29 die in traffic accidents in Florida.

        So no, even with no restrictions at all these students would not be at risk, statistically.

          1. Zaccone

            Try again. The statistics are comparable in Sweden. Or anywhere else in the US that remained open.

            Covid just isn’t a threat to young people, the figures are very clear. They’re more at risk any time they get in a car on a motorway.

          2. Nigel

            But I guess anyone with underlying conditions, or, indeed, mature students, should not attend the poorly-distanced exam? Be sure to have only young invigilators? Or if they all catch covid they’ll be fine – family that may end up having to isolate with them, well, who knows?

          3. Clampers Outside

            Stop that. He never said any of that, and I’m sure he would give a reasonable response of due care if he was asked about any of that.

            That tactic of yours is so feckin’ tired.
            You’re losing a discussion on a specific, so you throw in a wider net.
            Your outright dishonesty in debate is as bright as a UV in a darkened club.

          4. Zaccone

            As Clampers points out, your efforts to shift the goal posts repeatedly when proven wrong are rather tiring. The maths are very clear on this and don’t lie, as I’ve explained repeatedly. Covid is just not a death risk for _any_ young adults, which 99%+ of students are. Even in completely open societies, all-around the world.

            Universities have a longstanding policy of accommodating the minority of students who can’t attend ‘normal’ exams – putting heavily dyslexic students in special exam rooms etc. For the sub 1% of students who’re in at risk age demographics, I’m sure they can do similar on request.

          5. Nigel

            ‘You’re losing a discussion on a specific, so you throw in a wider net.’

            I demand a new Referee Of The Rukes Of Talking, this one is rubbish.

          6. Nigel

            ‘Your efforts to shift the goal posts repeatedly when proven wrong are rather tiring’

            I’ve been pointing out that there are potentially more people affected by a covid outbreak in an exam hall than the nearly-invulnerable young since my first comment on this piece above.

            ‘For the sub 1% of students who’re in at risk age demographics, I’m sure they can do similar on request.’

            Now that’s a good point I hadn’t thought of, though I’m not sure it excuses them from a bit of basic social distancing on the grounds that even if it ends up spreading through a low risk cohort in the hall itself, it’s not going to remain confined to them when they leave. If we’re talking about goals and goalposts I’m pretty sure the general idea is still to reduce spread, regardless of the risk-level of the group in question. If the policy changed to allowing it to rip through young people, I haven’t heard.

        1. Cian

          What about deaths if there was a “known underlying health condition”? If someone had diabetes or asthma? Are you ignoring their deaths?

          1. Zaccone

            If you include known underlying health conditions the figure for deaths for under 25s in Ireland is 7. Again, total. In two years. 3.5 people a year. Asthma isn’t counted as a serious underlying health condition.

            3.5 people a year, 90% of whom had very serious ailments like cancer to begin with, is just not a statistically relevant level of risk. Drowning, car crashes, suicide and accidental deaths are all far higher risks to this demographic.

          1. Tom J

            My point is, Covid 19 is a contagious virus. So stop making stupid statements like, people die in road traffic incidents or die of cancer or commit suicides, so the people dying from Covid 19 don’t matter to you.

      1. Ian - oG

        We got 99 problems but Covidsheet only wanna talk bout one.

        Just drink your milk and get on the plane.

        1. benblack

          Another guy living on another planet?

          Of course not.

          Ian – oG isn’t affected by the most important event he will ever experience in his lifetime.

          Future generations will look back and think ‘Why didn’t they do something to stop it?’

          Answer – too many people like Ian – oG.

  4. Skeptik

    Just as well Covid isn’t real.

    Aren’t we all going to have a great old laugh in a few years time about how everyone got all up in hysterics about that Covid thing, Ted. ..sure weren’t we grand after all that!

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