any number of things the government waste millions on, and they flat out refuse to equip schools with protection, the most covid hit places in the country. They refuse to listen to the facts on schools because they don’t want to admit fallacy. Exactly the type of people you don’t want in charge during public crisis.
Micko
When voting on extending the emergency powers “indefinitely” Michael McNamara asks “how long will the emergency powers around Covid last?”
“If we’re talking about locking down and restricting essential freedoms until the end of Covid, well then we’re talking about forever because nobody is suggesting that Covid will come to an end .. Or are we going to impose these restrictions until we face the end of liberal democracy as we know it?”
I remember when McNamara did his Broadsheet Q & A back in October 2020, the question I had thought to put to him was: “Is 2020 the year when liberal democracy was finally killed off?” I didn’t in the end, deciding it was a bit too inflammatory.
Is there an actual purpose you trolls think you serve?
johnnny
…oh i’d say you’re convinced quite a few people with your wit and wisdom,that they do in fact serve a purpose,kinda like a monday morning quaterback,or about as useful.
U N M U T U A L
Thu 12/2/2021 Vietnam…
120 children hospitalized, province suspends Pfizer vaccine batch.
Thanh Hoa has suspended the use of a Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine batch after over 120 students were hospitalized following their inoculation.
Over the past week, three children have died following their vaccination with the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in Bac Giang, Hanoi and Binh Phuoc. The cause of death has been determined as “overreaction to the vaccine.”
Dumping particular batches on poorer nations while clinically examining the results.
Real life human trials – why not, completely indemnified against liability.
John le Carré wrote about this happening in Africa many moons ago – ‘The Constant Gardener’.
It’s the way Pharma companies operate – and have always operated.
Cian
This site says there were 3 other vaccine deaths in the same place, Thanh Hoa, but they got the Chinese vaccine rather than Pfizer…. Thanh Hoa has a population of 600,000.
Has anyone seen the flu?
I think I lost it around here sometime in 2019?
This bull is never going to end is it?
History doesn’t always repeat, but it shure feckin rhymes
Like it rhymes with 1930s Germany tbh
Verbatim
That front picture of The Independent is definitely rhyming with something!
Well after all they want to be identified as women
Heavens forbid if women were put into a mens prison
Jerry
Well with all the redundancies one will soon be able to buy a pub for a song to be the next chump with its neck on the block
Come 2022 there will not be a toilet open left in rural Ireland
E'Matty
They are deliberately destroying rural life. They want us all corralled into “Smart cities” where they can exercise absolute control over every aspect of our lives. Rural communities also tend towards greater self sufficiency and that’s verboten. Total State dependency enables much greater control.
Kali
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The wfh is moving people out of cities and back to the country. The new ‘towns’ that are building up in Dublin are nothing but thousands of apartments/houses with a spar thrown in. Rural Ireland has definitely been ignored in the past few decades but I’d like to think the next boom could start to turn the tables and the migration from cities to country villages will see more businesses and amenities located outside cities
Jerry
Hopefully none of the criminal gangs that infest the cities are not resettled in rural ireland
Imelda Maybe
Does anyone know what time the Covid United versus Antivax Gladbach derby kicks off on Broadsheet so that I can avoid it for the rest of the weekend too?
Bodger
Midday kick-off.
Papi
He’s whaaaaaaaaaat??
Bitnboxy
The problem Imelda is that the ref on here has thrown his lot in (the whole kit and caboodle) with Anitvax Gladback which is why things get messy and the stands emptier and emptier.
Still, your comment is one of the pithiest of late.
Up north, John J McNally & Co Solicitors have lodged proceedings in the High Court in Belfast on behalf of the mother of a 13 year old child, challenging the Dept of Health’s decision to vaccinate healthy children against Covid-19.
“If you, or anyone you know, has been left bereaved by Covid vaccinations or has suffered an adverse reaction which goes beyond “mild or moderate” and this reaction resulted in hospital intervention…”
That a child of as early as 12 years of age can agree to such without their parents consent- is shocking.
Cian
Children under the age of 16 can consent to their own treatment if they’re believed to have enough intelligence, competence and understanding to fully appreciate what’s involved in their treatment. This is known as being Gillick competent.
Yes, this is UK based (as the original poster mentioned Belfast).
RoI is different. Children aged 16 or over may themselves give consent to surgical, medical or dental procedures, without requiring the consent of their parents or guardians. This is provided for in the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997.
Also a recording of last week’s gathering on O’Connell Street. I recommend listening to the speech made by Kevin Quinn (5 mins in length, begins at the 31 min mark) on behalf of chronic illness sufferers who have declined the Covid vaccine. I found it powerful and moving.
Trudeau’s first official state visit was to Ireland’s Varadkar.
Make of that what you will – something – sock – something.
GiggidyGoo
Wunderwuzzis
benblack
Sock buddies.
Annie 14 Tennis
The government can try to put the fear of god into us, but I’ll have as many folk over as I like over Christmas. And so will Holohan
Verbatim
“Only six allowed at Christmas but 30 for a funeral. I will be holding a funeral for my pet turkey that sadly passed on 25th December.”
Dr.Fart
id love to have heard the discussion with Martin and nphet. They never mention schools because they don’t want to equip them for some reason (probably money), but surely they would’ve talked about it in the discussion. to actually hear them admit what we know would be great. to hear Martin literally saying “no one is to mention schools”
I see the lates on this is he said to get thru Christmas and they’ll look at it then. that’s what people do in regular offices this time of year. leave projects until the new year coz sure its Christmas now. but for the fupping Taoiseach to say it is unreal. To casually put off something so huge on such whimsy. it destroys anything he says about wanting to keep us safe. people will get sick and some will die because he’s leaving it til after Christmas. unreal.
Chris
They want ‘high numbers’ in schools so they can jab kids. That is all, no need to overthink their motives.
The open windows etc is also to make them ill.
SOQ
Ministers have agreed new measures to stop senior health officials appearing in the media without the Government press office’s approval, as fresh tensions have emerged over the latest round of Covid restrictions.
Well that is some good news at least- they should never have had access to the media in the first place.
benblack
Thanks to Michael McNamara.
A national treasure, at this stage.
Chris
It’s pressure / release / pressure – we’re so far behind when it comes to gaining ground over the diktats, that there might be some reprieve. The highest pressure is upon countries that show an active resistance, they’re trying to break them first.
The spell has definitely started to be broken though, people are annoyed – sharing experiences etc. What they were told, that doing their part would return us to ‘normal’ – is now very apparently, forever out of reach.
I don’t think this will coalesce here, into anything significant against the forces that are directing things. My weary eyes are on Germany, Italy & (eventually) UK for a shape of our future reality.
benblack
Germany is the big one – the litmus test.
I loved living in Germany – back in the day – and loved the people, the language, the culture, the architecture, the public parks – in short, the society – I still have family living there.
We find something to agree on Ben
Definitely one of the best countries in the world
bisted
…yearning for the 4th Reich?
Dr.Fart
it might be. I think its more that they lumped everything on the vaccines. all their hopes. and they just don’t want to spend money on protections anymore. but what ur saying could be the case either. I know a lad in limerick who sent his kid in her PE tracksuit as did others, and the school said the dress code is skirts for girls and they’ll be in trouble if they don’t wear em. wouldn’t even let them wear coats in class cos its not uniform. id be taking my kid out of that school or at least dusting the principle. evil carry on. and it was official line, that teachers weren’t to tell anyone if there was a case in their class. how the hell is that health advice? ignore covid and it can’t get ya
Or as long as you going to persist in actively destroying the lives of your colleagues
Steph Pinker
Nigel, there’s no such thing as the perfect face.
GiggidyGoo
Within that website, we also find….
“ Our findings show that wearing a face mask leads to statistically significant changes in the cerebral hemodynamics and oxygenation (CBF and StO2) in healthy young subjects at rest, even for this first relatively short period of mask usage. “
any number of things the government waste millions on, and they flat out refuse to equip schools with protection, the most covid hit places in the country. They refuse to listen to the facts on schools because they don’t want to admit fallacy. Exactly the type of people you don’t want in charge during public crisis.
When voting on extending the emergency powers “indefinitely” Michael McNamara asks “how long will the emergency powers around Covid last?”
He gets the response “until the people are safe”
Safe…. ?
We are feckin screwed.
https://youtu.be/wOTj5vC9FqY
‘the people’.
The empathy is overwhelming.
“If we’re talking about locking down and restricting essential freedoms until the end of Covid, well then we’re talking about forever because nobody is suggesting that Covid will come to an end .. Or are we going to impose these restrictions until we face the end of liberal democracy as we know it?”
I remember when McNamara did his Broadsheet Q & A back in October 2020, the question I had thought to put to him was: “Is 2020 the year when liberal democracy was finally killed off?” I didn’t in the end, deciding it was a bit too inflammatory.
*wry grimace emoji*
Lol hilarious
Haha
Is there an actual purpose you trolls think you serve?
…oh i’d say you’re convinced quite a few people with your wit and wisdom,that they do in fact serve a purpose,kinda like a monday morning quaterback,or about as useful.
Thu 12/2/2021 Vietnam…
120 children hospitalized, province suspends Pfizer vaccine batch.
Thanh Hoa has suspended the use of a Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine batch after over 120 students were hospitalized following their inoculation.
Over the past week, three children have died following their vaccination with the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in Bac Giang, Hanoi and Binh Phuoc. The cause of death has been determined as “overreaction to the vaccine.”
Full article below…
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/120-children-hospitalized-province-suspends-pfizer-vaccine-batch-4397748.html
Dumping particular batches on poorer nations while clinically examining the results.
Real life human trials – why not, completely indemnified against liability.
John le Carré wrote about this happening in Africa many moons ago – ‘The Constant Gardener’.
It’s the way Pharma companies operate – and have always operated.
This site says there were 3 other vaccine deaths in the same place, Thanh Hoa, but they got the Chinese vaccine rather than Pfizer…. Thanh Hoa has a population of 600,000.
https://m.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/vietnam-3-deaths-reported-due-to-side-effects-of-chinese-vaccine-vero-cell.html
The article I posted also mentions those other deaths.
…Last week, four workers in Thanh Hoa’s Kim Viet Shoe factory died following their Vero Cell Covid-19 vaccination, also due to “overreaction.”
You’ve screwed the people you mean
Has anyone seen the flu?
I think I lost it around here sometime in 2019?
This bull is never going to end is it?
History doesn’t always repeat, but it shure feckin rhymes
Like it rhymes with 1930s Germany tbh
That front picture of The Independent is definitely rhyming with something!
The lived reality of trans people
Transgender men describe ‘nightmares’ of being incarcerated in a women’s prison https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/strip-searches-trauma-isolation-trans-men-describe-life-bars-rcna6490
Well after all they want to be identified as women
Heavens forbid if women were put into a mens prison
Well with all the redundancies one will soon be able to buy a pub for a song to be the next chump with its neck on the block
Come 2022 there will not be a toilet open left in rural Ireland
They are deliberately destroying rural life. They want us all corralled into “Smart cities” where they can exercise absolute control over every aspect of our lives. Rural communities also tend towards greater self sufficiency and that’s verboten. Total State dependency enables much greater control.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The wfh is moving people out of cities and back to the country. The new ‘towns’ that are building up in Dublin are nothing but thousands of apartments/houses with a spar thrown in. Rural Ireland has definitely been ignored in the past few decades but I’d like to think the next boom could start to turn the tables and the migration from cities to country villages will see more businesses and amenities located outside cities
Hopefully none of the criminal gangs that infest the cities are not resettled in rural ireland
Does anyone know what time the Covid United versus Antivax Gladbach derby kicks off on Broadsheet so that I can avoid it for the rest of the weekend too?
Midday kick-off.
He’s whaaaaaaaaaat??
The problem Imelda is that the ref on here has thrown his lot in (the whole kit and caboodle) with Anitvax Gladback which is why things get messy and the stands emptier and emptier.
Still, your comment is one of the pithiest of late.
Wise words indeed.
Such wisdom in one so young.
The Bodger in the Black?
The referee’s a …
It’ll be a one all draw.
Up north, John J McNally & Co Solicitors have lodged proceedings in the High Court in Belfast on behalf of the mother of a 13 year old child, challenging the Dept of Health’s decision to vaccinate healthy children against Covid-19.
https://www.facebook.com/JohnJMcNallySolicitors/posts/1562424267455904
“If you, or anyone you know, has been left bereaved by Covid vaccinations or has suffered an adverse reaction which goes beyond “mild or moderate” and this reaction resulted in hospital intervention…”
That a child of as early as 12 years of age can agree to such without their parents consent- is shocking.
Children under the age of 16 can consent to their own treatment if they’re believed to have enough intelligence, competence and understanding to fully appreciate what’s involved in their treatment. This is known as being Gillick competent.
See also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillick_competence
But not Guinness competent until the age of eighteen.
https://www.icgp.ie/speck/properties/asset/asset.cfm?type=LibraryAsset&id=56D02048%2D050D%2D49C0%2D8C571F0C77B3F876&property=asset&revision=tip&disposition=attachment&app=icgp&filename=29AACD1E%2DC8F5%2D56B3%2DCEFB5AC33AF73B51%2Epdf
No legal validity in Ireland?
(has in Northern Ireland though)
Yes, this is UK based (as the original poster mentioned Belfast).
RoI is different. Children aged 16 or over may themselves give consent to surgical, medical or dental procedures, without requiring the consent of their parents or guardians. This is provided for in the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/legal_matters_and_health/consent_to_medical_and_surgical_procedures.html#l64e4a
but 15 & under seems to need parental consent (unless there is an immediate risk to the child’s life)
Happy weekend….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qanF-91aJo
Interviews with some far right fascist conspiracy theorists- or something.
“It’s not right”: Irish parents protest masking of kids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JccHjP1Y8g
Hell has no fury like a mammy’s corns indeed.
Here’s a recorded stream of yesterday’s event at Merrion Square for anyone interested:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=1372859339783880
Also a recording of last week’s gathering on O’Connell Street. I recommend listening to the speech made by Kevin Quinn (5 mins in length, begins at the 31 min mark) on behalf of chronic illness sufferers who have declined the Covid vaccine. I found it powerful and moving.
https://www.facebook.com/1104846566256038/videos/972297243369938
Powerful stuff – real people voicing their concerns and the media classify them as far-right.
I’ll never respect, or forgive, the Irish media again – apart from a few brave scribes.
That is very powerful stuff- and understandable why he would not want to take it. I would be the same in his position.
Not interested
You’re just so right on about the Irish mammies.
Give it a break please, you disingenuous pest.
Here’s Trudeau speaking to the 5-year-olds in Canada
(remember this stuff is contagious)
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1466877465733783557
…trudeau is a bad actor, in every sense.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-21Yg_XIAgBPbo?format=jpg&name=medium
Trudeau’s first official state visit was to Ireland’s Varadkar.
Make of that what you will – something – sock – something.
Wunderwuzzis
Sock buddies.
The government can try to put the fear of god into us, but I’ll have as many folk over as I like over Christmas. And so will Holohan
“Only six allowed at Christmas but 30 for a funeral. I will be holding a funeral for my pet turkey that sadly passed on 25th December.”
id love to have heard the discussion with Martin and nphet. They never mention schools because they don’t want to equip them for some reason (probably money), but surely they would’ve talked about it in the discussion. to actually hear them admit what we know would be great. to hear Martin literally saying “no one is to mention schools”
I see the lates on this is he said to get thru Christmas and they’ll look at it then. that’s what people do in regular offices this time of year. leave projects until the new year coz sure its Christmas now. but for the fupping Taoiseach to say it is unreal. To casually put off something so huge on such whimsy. it destroys anything he says about wanting to keep us safe. people will get sick and some will die because he’s leaving it til after Christmas. unreal.
They want ‘high numbers’ in schools so they can jab kids. That is all, no need to overthink their motives.
The open windows etc is also to make them ill.
Ministers have agreed new measures to stop senior health officials appearing in the media without the Government press office’s approval, as fresh tensions have emerged over the latest round of Covid restrictions.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/tensions-grow-as-nphet-members-must-now-ask-government-for-permission-to-appear-on-tv-and-radio-41117138.html
Well that is some good news at least- they should never have had access to the media in the first place.
Thanks to Michael McNamara.
A national treasure, at this stage.
It’s pressure / release / pressure – we’re so far behind when it comes to gaining ground over the diktats, that there might be some reprieve. The highest pressure is upon countries that show an active resistance, they’re trying to break them first.
The spell has definitely started to be broken though, people are annoyed – sharing experiences etc. What they were told, that doing their part would return us to ‘normal’ – is now very apparently, forever out of reach.
I don’t think this will coalesce here, into anything significant against the forces that are directing things. My weary eyes are on Germany, Italy & (eventually) UK for a shape of our future reality.
Germany is the big one – the litmus test.
I loved living in Germany – back in the day – and loved the people, the language, the culture, the architecture, the public parks – in short, the society – I still have family living there.
Come on, Germany, RISE UP!
We find something to agree on Ben
Definitely one of the best countries in the world
…yearning for the 4th Reich?
it might be. I think its more that they lumped everything on the vaccines. all their hopes. and they just don’t want to spend money on protections anymore. but what ur saying could be the case either. I know a lad in limerick who sent his kid in her PE tracksuit as did others, and the school said the dress code is skirts for girls and they’ll be in trouble if they don’t wear em. wouldn’t even let them wear coats in class cos its not uniform. id be taking my kid out of that school or at least dusting the principle. evil carry on. and it was official line, that teachers weren’t to tell anyone if there was a case in their class. how the hell is that health advice? ignore covid and it can’t get ya
Foil Arms and Hog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9lA8ofMLRA
A decent new Christmas song at last. Everything including piano and bells. Ed Sheehan and Elton John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_yuO8UNGmY
I used to dabble in song writing and I remember someone telling me that if you can write a Christmas hit, you have a pension for life.
Not that either Ed Sheehan or Elton John needs such of course.
Have to disagree, Giggidy – sorry☺
It’s awful.
Doesn’t Ed Sheehan sound a lot like Nathan Carter in it?
New face mask study just dropped.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/49/e2110117118
‘We find a very low risk of infection when everyone wears a face mask, even if it doesn’t fit perfectly on the face.’
Well duh
Conclusion:
An improperly worn mask offers more protection of infection than the vaccine.
Cool. Covid is endemic.
How long should people wear face masks to avoid for?
As long as it takes
So forever then
Until people are safe, Micko – you heard it in the Dáil.
Or as long as you going to persist in actively destroying the lives of your colleagues
Nigel, there’s no such thing as the perfect face.
Within that website, we also find….
“ Our findings show that wearing a face mask leads to statistically significant changes in the cerebral hemodynamics and oxygenation (CBF and StO2) in healthy young subjects at rest, even for this first relatively short period of mask usage. “