170 thoughts on “Thursday’s Papers

  1. Hughie Luas

    Head injuries in schools rugby? Puffs. In my day the togouts were regularly shelled by the Russians.

    1. K. Cavan

      Rugby is too masculine, it, along with all contact sports, will continue to be attacked due to the feminisation process our societies are enduring.

    2. Kin

      Must say good on the teap children with that case
      The stress the cervical smear test scandal had on families watching their mothers die while being treated as enemies of the state by this government and its predecessors
      This truly is the legacy of varadkar and his successors who used our taxes to pay for their mess
      None of those involved in the criminal treatment of the victims lost a job or pension or one red cent
      But every taxpayer was left with the bill

  2. SOQ

    European Parliament Member Clare Daly was interviewed by China Media Group on the side lines of its plenary session in Strasbourg on Tuesday. Daly said the U.S. benefits the most from the Ukraine crisis, for which Europe will pay a heavy price, and that the main reason the conflict is still ongoing is because “the U.S. does not want peace. They want the war to continue in order to weaken Russia.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXW4TjaFowg

    Good woman Clare- telling it as it is.

    1. stephen moran

      Herself and that other scruffbag will be turfed out on their ear at the next election – they were elected to represent the people of Dublin and Leinster not their own perverted agenda as apologists for despots, dictators and totalitarian regimes – weird how the Uyghurs don’t count in her book as a people facing ethnic cleansing – they will both lose their seats as surely as Putin will lose this war. Th US MIC and the EU will put Russia back in the stone age where it belongs. Daly and Wallace are milking the authoritarian fascist broadcast circuit now because they know they are doomed. They good people will be waiting for them in the long grass as they are a disgrace to their constituents supporting war criminal and ethnic cleansers. As per usual with the faux left they can’t see that Ukraine is a exact mirror image of Iraq which we are railed against. They are driven by a blind myopic hatred of the US and liberal democracy as you are.

      1. f_lawless

        Russia belongs in the stone age?
        Driven by blind myopic hatred you say?

        “Waiting in the long grass” sounds a bit disturbing to me given the tone of a lot of your comments. Are you yourself in their constituency?

        1. jonjoker

          Stephen is one of the ultra-RWers on here who sees the US can do no wrong. He calls himself a democrat though, (whether with a big or a small ‘d’ I am not sure) which is analagous to a person like Keir Starmer or Kate Hoey calling themselves socialists. We saw what happened to Corbyn when he tried to return the british Labour party to its socialist roots; the same steamroller runs over anyone who tries to be a genuine democrat.
          One of Stephen’s difficulties is that for instance he ignores the fact that Daly and Wallace do not support Russia in this war, while he and his ilk totally ignore the context in which it occurred. They ignore the history of the region which was conquered by Russia from the Turkish empire 250 years ago, not by Ukraine and then added administratively to Ukraine at a much later date by the USSR – of which Russia is the successor state.
          I wonder does Stephen think that rights arise from conquest? Because if he does, then we can start asking how long ago you have to have conquered a territory before it is legitimately yours. That in itself opens up a huge can of worms.

          1. Kin

            It never seems to surprise me that we have many sheep that do what they are told
            Believe the west can do no wrong
            NATO and zelensky just kept poking the bear even though they knew the bear would throw a wobbler and look at the destruction

      2. Kali

        We didn’t support Iraq though did we? The news reports never mentioned the civilian casualties, only how the US troops were doing. There were no sanctions against the US imposed by the EU and there was no daily propaganda telling us about the illegal invasion. And there were few, if any, people saying the US deserved to go back to the stone age. That last comment by yourself shows a particularly vile hatred of an entire people based on their country of birth. That would make you a right wing bigot, at least your showing your true colours I suppose. No point in pretending it’s the welfare of the Ukrainian people you care about, just a blind hatred for Russia

        1. Gavin

          Saves me typing…Mirror image?, very confusing statement, unless he means that Russia mirrors the US in Iraq

          1. jonjoker

            And even then, Gavin, the differences are vast. It’s not as though Iraq is on the borders of the US – it’s half a world away and no threat to the US, but they were still seen as a threat to US interests, and as such a legitimate target. Ditto Afghanistan.
            People like Stephen are just pushing a line, possibly it’s a paid shill.
            In reality we are seeing the end of American hegemony, and it is fighting back. Although on paper it has the world’s most powerful military, it doesn’t have a great record winning wars.
            However sometimes it’s not about winning wars, but about big contracts for big corporations.
            In this regard – all those billions that Biden wants to send to Ukraine – will they be spent in Ukraine, or is it in reality a grant to US companies producing military equipment, to keep them afloat?

          2. SOQ

            Agreed- the goal is to break Russia because it has serious natural resources to plunder- it really is that simple.

        2. anti bot

          Again what has US invasions in the past got to do with the murder of innocent people in another country? what is wrong with you people?

          1. jonjoker

            Perhaps it’s that the US was behind the Maidan revolution, the current support for the Maidan regime in Ukraine and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          2. K. Cavan

            The problem is, Aunty Bot, that you seem entirely ignorant of the background to this operation; eight years of ruthless ethnic cleansing that the people of Donbass have endured at the hands of drugged-up, fanatic Ukrainian Nazis.
            The Donbass was made part Ukraine, on Lenin’s insistence, so the new Autonomous Republic, who’s population was mostly peasants, would have a Proletariat consisting of the miners & steelworkers of that region.
            They’ve always been Russian, always discriminated against, finally, they were subjected to attempted genocide & after 8 years of that & the failure of the US-corrupted Ukrainian government’s to honour the Minsk Agreement, Russia moved in.
            Unfortunately, the Ukrainians largely supported this genocide, so they’re reaping what they sowed, although the blame ultimately falls, as usual, on the warmongering American barbarians.

          3. anti bot

            Nope I am not ingornan, or a retard. I’m educated and can read. I can comment and debate without name calling. I can make up my own mind without jumping on the conspiracy train. I disagree with any country invading another and killing innocent people. What is your problem with that? When did you log off as soq.

          4. Kin

            Well it was the wests lies about WMDs in Iraq that resulted in worse for the people of Iraq or has skin colour and religion make a victim less of a victim
            The US lied NATO lied UK lied and even a UK whistleblower had a very suspicious death when he revealed the smoking gun
            So the US invasion is central to the fact of what we believe
            Maybe Putin had his own smoking gun as the west depicts

            So maybe this makes it square regarding lies do you not think and Jon joker the EU were also involved in the lead up to the median square coup that was hatched by the far right
            And that’s the crux of the issue which led Ukraine to this invasion by Russia

          5. anti bot

            Hey Kin, when are you going to reply? Why and when is it acceptable for any country to invade another and murder innocent people. Run away boy. why can’t you answer? Question asked no. 44

        3. Nigel

          When we opposed the war in Iraq, we were told that we were, in fact, supporting Saddam Hussein. Just as in opposing Putin’s invasion, we are told we’re supporting Nazis (even though Putin has been employing notoriously Nazi mercenaries in Donbas) and, somehow, retroactively supporting US wars we explicitly opposed. It’s getting weirder and weirder.

          1. K. Cavan

            Another dispatch from Nigel’s Clownworld. Anyone who’s unaware of the history of Nazism that has scarred Ukraine really should just shut up, at this stage.
            Anyone who blithely attempts to brush it aside with ludicrously unconvincing lies about Russia employing “notoriously Nazi mercenaries” deserves utter contempt.
            Even the term “Nazi mercenaries” makes no sense, soldiers can be Nazi fanatics or guns-for-hire, not both. You can’t even lie convincingly, Nigel, you disgusting, seig-heiling scumbag.
            Even being the System Pig you clearly are does not excuse your Nazi sympathies, Nigel The Nazi.

          2. Kin

            Who are we Nigel regarding the invasion of Iraq
            Maybe you might be referring to a few lefties but our government facilitated the war in Iraq and allowed our airports to facilitate weapons and troops that ultimately killed Iraqis in passage
            Shannon airport was the airport
            So there is no we unless we take Nigel and his ilk out of the equation including our government

          3. Kin

            Anti bot when you want a reply leave the facility to reply to your post active so I can

      3. K. Cavan

        But stephen, they didn’t defend the World Despots of the USA, they actually attacked them, which is very much in the interests of all Europeans & all inhabitants of the planet, something our pathetic leaders are not capable of taking into account.
        If the US was able to keep its military at home, war would be largely eliminated, they’ve become too used to walking over scorched earth. That’s the simple reality in the Real World, though obviously not in the Clownword you inhabit.
        Still, I’m sure you look cute with your little red nose & your painted-on smile.

        1. anti bot

          Look up Godwins law. If you have to use Nazis to win an argument, you have lost that argument. unless of course you’re soq / cavan.

    2. Cú Chulainn

      Isn’t that what the US Secretary for Defence said just recently? That said, I used to quietly support the scruffy lovers, but they’ve embarrassed themselves at this stage. I think the amount of ‘expenses’ they could claim went to their heads.

      1. Mad

        There’s nothing remotely scruffy about them.
        It’s embarrassing for you that you have to resort to that level of repeating yourself and mainstream insults.
        Stick to the moral high ground instead

        1. anti bot

          That guy who didn’t pay his workers Psri. He’s a real hero. Those workers can’t afford to get their teeth done.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Pity you wouldn’t get your facts straight there anti bot. He didn’t pay ‘on-time’, but he did pay. And it wasn’t PRSI. It was CWPS contributions. Do workers get their ‘teeth done’ out of CWPS contributions?

          2. anti bot

            He did not pay his tax for his workers. He was convicted of that. Did he not pay taxes? Am I right or wrong? Go on, run

          3. K. Cavan

            You don’t get any dental services from PRSI payments, Aunty Bot, you have to pay for them. What utter nonsense you spout, you really are divorced from Reality & I don’t blame her.

          4. paul

            I only copped this when I was getting my prescription updated, if you’ve enough PRSI contributions, you can access dental and optical benefits as well as hearing aids. I don’t know the fine details but my eye test was definitely free. Citizens Information has more details.

            I left the opticians telling everyone I knew, plenty didn’t.

          5. Kin

            News is anti bot not many can afford an Irish dentist
            That’s why they fly off to European destinations

          6. GiggidyGoo

            Again, anti bot, he did pay them (taxes), though not on time. You really need to do a google search. The workers PRSI was paid. No worker lost any benefits. Do you know the difference between tax and PRSI and CWPS?
            Run yourself. Idiot.

    3. Nigel

      I can’t get over people standing up and basically blaming Ukraine for the war because they’re fighting an invader on their own soil.

      1. bisted

        …it’s lucky they’ve had a long list of visitors encouraging them to fight to the last man…

        1. SOQ

          Yup and when they have fought to the last Ukrainian man- they’ll ship in the Polish and the Romanians to replace them.

      2. K. Cavan

        If you engage in a protracted genocidal war against an ethnic minority you deserve all the justice that’s coming your way, Nigel The Nazi. If that minority is from a huge powerful neighbour & your ethnic cleansing is done at the behest of a violent imperialist state, thousands of miles away, you deserve never to be allowed have an army again, which is Ukraine’s future.
        Ukraine will be de-nazified & de-militarized, permanently, to ensure no repeat of their crimes against humanity.

          1. Kin

            No Nigel just denazified
            News for you Nazis have no ethnic Origen
            Ukraine is made up from Russians, Romanians Crimean tarters,belorussians,Bulgarians,Hungarians,polish ,Armenians,
            Christian’s and Jews
            You can look it up
            There is no ethnic Ukrainians because all these different peoples make up Ukraine
            You can Google it and remember because Biden and van der lying or even mehole says it is history says different

    4. Gavin

      I genuinely can’t see an issue with anything she said in the video. She doesn’t blame Ukraine and doesn’t support Russia, she appears to be calling out some simple truths.

          1. K. Cavan

            Aid? They’re not getting aid, Nigel The Nazi, they’re getting weapons, which will get them killed but of course neither you, the thugs in Washington nor the servile scumbuckets in Brussels give a damn how many Ukrainians die in an unwinnable war, do you?
            It’s all for the glory of the Reich, isn’t it?

          2. Nigel

            Seems to be getting more Russian soldiers killed than Ukrainians. Then again Putin doesn’t xard how many Russuans or Ukrainians he kills to win his unwinnable war.

        1. SOQ

          A bit like pope then? Clare Daly and the pope on the one side- I have seen it all now.

          1. Nigel

            Different version of the same thing, more ‘poking the bear’ nonsense, as if the bear hasn’t been poking the west and mauling a few states here and there.

          2. K. Cavan

            Exactly where has Russia been “mauling states” or “poking the West”, Nigel The Nazi?
            In any of the Eastern European states that NATO expanded into, despite their promises not to, perhaps?
            “Barking at Russia’s porch”, indeed.

        1. Vlad X. Novichok

          Like all true Peacemakers who love peace so much they’re prepared kill every Ukrainian man, woman and child to get it.

          1. K. Cavan

            Nice one, Vlad, you’ve summarised the views of the thugs in Washington, succinctly.

          2. Vlad X. Novichok

            Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Next up from Z’s tankies – concentration camps and sterilization. Oh. And an icbm named Satan. Very liberating.

        2. K. Cavan

          Yes, Nigel The Nazi & de-nazification & de-militarization of Ukraine is the only way to prevent war & genocide against Donbass. After eight years of sickening Nazi violence against a population with only a civilian militia to protect it, after the refusal to abide by either of the two Minsk agreements, Russia was left with a simple choice: stand by & watch a new Nazi Holocaust of 4 million Russians or invade. Russia already lost 600,000 soldiers de-nazifing Ukraine, it would be an insult to the memory of the men who died to stop Hitler to allow his shadow fall over Europe, once more.

          1. Kin

            K Cavan and Nigel
            Fact is their was a coup in February 2014
            In April 2014 those opposed to the coup organised a self declared peoples republic
            These are the undisputed facts from both sides
            If there was no coup there would of been no breakaway or self declared metre of Ukraine
            Before this war 25000 people died over this
            Ukraine is not part of the EU and sadly zelenskys government led to the present situation and thousands of deaths as a result and the rest of the world picking up the pieces
            In this country who is paying for this

            Zelenskys got a hell of a lot to answer for
            And now let’s talk about Putin
            Then of course all in charge as the world is heading for WW3
            One thing is for sure
            Those pushing the buttons and upping the rhetoric will be safe and cosy in bunkers as civillians all around them are the ones that are going to do the dying

    5. SOQ

      https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/2022-roger-casement-summer-school-tickets-317183744117

      SESSION 2 / FRIDAY 6TH MAY
      Debate

      Time: 11.15 am-1.00 pm

      Chair: Deaglán de Bréadún

      Speakers: Clare Daly MEP, Barry Andrews MEP

      Topic: What the War in Ukraine means for Ireland and the EU

      Hopefully someone will record Andrews getting his backside handed to him.

      The bottom of the flyer says- “We encourage all participants to wear a mask and observe guidelines for controlling COVID.” Didn’t think that superstitious nonsense was still going on- can they not just throw a bit of holy water around the place instead?

      1. Kin

        SOQ
        You are going to love this
        Google ABCnews and an article about Pfizer and paxlovid
        It’s right up your street
        NEVER MIND NIGEL
        I bet he is paid each day to blog pro Irish government EU propaganda
        Maybe he works in a basement office at the office of the teashock

    1. Mistake Not...

      Do you have a problem with abortion?

      I am pro choice, for abortion and vaccination.

        1. Mistake Not...

          I said I am pro choice, so that should explain my attitude to both vaccines and abortions?

          What about you, are you also pro choice?

          1. SOQ

            So you are against CoVid-19 Vaccine mandates then? If so then you are not the target of this humour.

            I have no strong views on the abortion either way, and in the case of the US, I don’t understand why this case has become an issue right now.

            Do you know? If so, could you kindly explain it to me?

          2. Mistake Not...

            OK so I would assume then that you are actually pro choice for abortion? I took your post initially to seem like you were against forced vaccinations but against freedom to choose in terms of abortion.

            I am completely pro choice with vaccines and completely opposed to mandating them for anyone.

            As for the blow up of the abortion issue in the US, the reason is two fold – Trump appointing very fundamentalist justices and failure of all politicians to actually deal with the issue. If anything it might even highlight the utter cynicism of their political leaders; I suspect the likes of Nancy Pelosi are secretly thrilled about this and I also suspect people like Mitch McConnell are secretly terrified.

            Funny that, but it would make bizarre sort of sense.

          3. SOQ

            Thanks I just question the timing of this controversy is all- it is a mighty way of deflecting from other issues.

  3. stephen moran

    Very consequential that the latest EU package on Russia today placed sanctions on service providers for shipping. This should effectively block Russia from diverting most of its EU oil exports to 3rd countries. Instead Russia will have to shut-in up (mothball) a large amount of the production as they simply have no storage capacity and they have no built pipeline capacity to funnel it to 3rd countries. So a big blow to gov’t finances.

    German dependence on Russia is also notably dropping like a stone. Current energy dependence on Russia compared to 2021:

    Oil
    12% vs 35%
    Coal
    8% vs 50%
    Gas
    35% vs 55%

    1. K. Cavan

      Wow, you really are superglued to your ridiculous fantasy-world takes, stephen. It doesn’t matter what The West does, anymore, the rest of the planet has already passed judgement on our ludicrously hypocritical stance.
      We’re going to suffer, the rest of the world will happily buy anything Russia has that we don’t want. It’s all Capitalism out there, in the Real World, stephen & all markets will find equilibrium, while Europe attempts deliberate economic suicide for no purpose whatsoever.
      Sheep led by donkeys.

  4. f_lawless

    https://libertyconservativenews.com/director-oliver-stone-warns-of-nuclear-false-flag-in-ukraine-by-military-industrial-complex/
    Oliver Stone is worried about the potential of a low-yield nuclear false flag attack in Ukraine.

    “I’ve been following the Ukraine situation since 2014 with Robert Parry leading the way as a teacher. I’ve followed the burnings in Odessa, the persecution without legal rights and murders of journalists, mayors, politicians, and citizens. I’ve followed the banning of the main opposition party, which had higher polls than the Zelenskyy government. I’ve been shocked by the sheer hatred expressed against the Russian-Ukrainian minority. It’s a long and sad story devolving from the 2014 coup, co-engineered by the U.S., which stripped Ukraine of its neutrality and made it vociferously anti-Russian..

    .. I wonder if the U.S. is setting the stage for a low-yield nuclear explosion, of unknown origin, somewhere in the Donbass region, killing thousands of Ukrainians? Of course, if that happened, God forbid, all the world’s eyes would be trained, like a Pavlov dog, to blame Russia.. .

    .Keep in mind, it’s hard to know where a nuclear device is fired from, especially in a fast-moving situation like this war, in which it seems Russia can be accused of any behavior, no matter how preposterous. It would probably take a few days to find out the truth, but the truth isn’t important. The perception is, and the U.S. is running a perception war with great skill and blunt force, saturating the CNN/Fox airwaves and our satellite countries in Europe and Asia as I’ve never seen before,”

    1. SOQ

      Oliver Stone’s documentary ‘Ukraine on Fire’ is regarded as one of the best ever documentaries ever made, so his opinion is definately worth considering.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs

      It is not like the US have never pulled a false flag stunt like that before, they are old hands at it. And, the way in which NATO / US are using the conscripted Ukrainian civilians as cannon folder is a pretty good indication of what they really think of the Ukrainian people.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        “… regarded as one of the best ever documentaries ever made.”

        By whom? Putin fluffers like yourself and Stone?

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            Maybe after you link to reviews that regard Ukraine on Fire “as one of the best ever documentaries ever made.” (your words)

          2. paul

            just an FYI, Oliver Stone didn’t direct or write it. He starred in it.

            it’s been touted as being fairly pro-Kremlin which is right up SOQ’s street.

          3. SOQ

            Oliver Stone appeared in it- and was the executive producer, as per my link.

            Russian bias as touted by whom? And even if there was- does that mean everything was a lie? Half of it historical facts but given the current climate, even that is labelled propaganda I expect.

            So once again- point me to what you think is a better documentary on the subject?

            So all you can up with is a review of the documentary then Dolly? Some one else’s opinion so. Did you even watch it?

            I expect not.

          4. paul

            nobody making documentaries is rushing to capitalise on an ongoing conflict war invasion Special Military Operation except people hoping to paint Putin as misunderstood and definitely not committing war crimes. People I’m sure are gathering material and footage but you’d probably paint them as actors (even the dead ones) or Nazi’s so there’s not much point in throwing my head against the brick wall that is ‘SOQ’s opinions’.

            edit: you said it was ‘Oliver Stone’s Documentary’ so own your mistake will ya?

          5. SOQ

            I am not asking for documentaries on the current situation- I am asking for previous documentaries which are equivalent to the ‘Ukraine on Fire’ one that you are so critical of?

            Given your strong views on the subject- surely you must know of some?

          6. Daisy Chainsaw

            Why would I watch it? Your links are generally rubbish and this is no exception.

          7. paul

            are my views strong? I’m very much anti-invasion and anti-war crime and anti-murder but apart from that, it’s just the day-to-day stuff, you know yourself.

            you, on the other hand, become a frothing mess if someone puts up a Ukrainian flag or says something nasty about Putin. I think that displays a stronger view.

            besides all that, I don’t go looking for documentaries until conflicts are well passed so we can see the end results. Putin might find himself being dragged from a bunker before all this is over, that’ll start the clock running for me.

          8. SOQ

            Did either of you even watch the documentary? Or are you just fighting with your own shadows again?

          9. paul

            are you my shadow, SOQ? I wouldn’t be at all happy about that. I’ll turn on a few lights, maybe you’ll be less obvious then.

          10. Mad

            @bodger
            The incessant badgering of SOQ by a couple of recidivist bullies has to stop
            It is really taking away from the site

          11. paul

            if the website allows people like SOQ post what they do, then they are probably going to allow people to call out their nonsense.

            seeing his name in the ‘Latest Comments’ panel on the right of the site is usually met with “I wonder is he justifying murder today?” or “is everything a conspiracy and he’s the only one smart enough to see it?”. When called out, he skips around answering questions while posting from the most spurious websites. If anything, his contributions detract from discussion. Earlier today he turned a funny picture of sheep in a field into something about COVID. It’s exhausting. It’s why I’m taking more and more breaks from the site. Other people have more energy for SOQ etc.

            SOQ: I can happily say that I’ve not watched the entire documentary. It’s a bit much to be getting on with over lunch. I see enough dead bodies as it is, I don’t need to see people who have died by violence.

            edit: SOQ, if you’re going to be posting from multiple accounts, try to vary the writing style, uncommon word usage and typos. It’s either multiple accounts or you have some weird copycats.

          12. paul

            either you’re remarkably thick or remarkably ignorant, SOQ. I’ve answered that question already.

            What I’ve seen of the documentary has been corpses, exploded limbs, dead babies and the narrator doing everything in his power to convince the viewer that Ukraine is populated by liars, cheats and seditionists. You’re quite fond of it, yes?

          13. SOQ

            OK assume I am a bit thick then, hard of thinking if you like- where exactly did you answer my question?

            Did you even watch the documentary? Y/N

          14. paul

            Apart from where I said that I hadn’t watched all of it and where I described the first 20 minutes or so. Do you need anything else? Time-stamped confession? Message in semaphore? A jar of fingernails?

            I honestly don’t think you’re thick but you do a wonderful impression of a thick person.

          15. SOQ

            Where did you say that? Not on this thread anyways.

            Why the stroppiness btw? If you are as researched on the subject as you claim then you should have no problem citing the documentaries or indeed articles which you agree with. Hurling from a ditch, is just that.

          16. paul

            read above. If it’s not appearing on your screen, ctrl+f the page. Though if you’re reading my recent comments then the ones before them should be on your screen as much as they are on mine.

            I’ve never claimed to be well-researched in anything (apart from my own professional field and person interests). This is just one conflict going on amongst others and history will link them all together so I’ll do my reading once there is no gains to be had from propaganda. In the meantime, I’ll poke holes in spurious arguments and skim as widely as my time allows. The documentary is not hard begin to dismiss as deceptive especially when they take stated facts and then start layering emotion on top. eg. Person A did a thing vrs Person A did a thing angrily while showing a picture of Person A angry.

            You may be seeing your own stroppiness in my comments perhaps as I’ve just been handed a bag of chocolate bars for helping someone out last week so I’m delighted. My tea has gone cold though, working through lunch will do that, kinda annoying.

          17. SOQ

            NOWHERE above did you say you watched that documentary- was the comment deleted maybe?

          18. paul

            I can see it on my screen here. I’ll copy and paste here;

            SOQ: I can happily say that I’ve not watched the entire documentary. It’s a bit much to be getting on with over lunch. I see enough dead bodies as it is, I don’t need to see people who have died by violence.

            and;

            What I’ve seen of the documentary has been corpses, exploded limbs, dead babies and the narrator doing everything in his power to convince the viewer that Ukraine is populated by liars, cheats and seditionists.

          19. paul

            you’re a terrible eejit, Mad. Please reconsider your loyalty.

            If you can isolate the bullying aspects of my posts, we could even have a discussion.

          20. Mad

            I have no loyalty to anyone Paul
            The lad SOQ has a lot going on in his brain and I don’t agree less than 10% of what he posts about as a general rule. But I respect his right to say what he wants without being victimised, persecuted and bullied. You (mostly) appear mature enough to know better so please think about what I was saying here. That’s all I ask.

          21. paul

            I do consider your words insofar as I never throw the first punch and limit myself to debating (poking holes in) the opinions and material supplied by other site users. Only the most ridiculous or previously debunked material and opinions get an initial negative reaction, everything else rides on the response I receive. I’ve agreed with SOQ on many points over the past few months and he has either not responded or has responded negatively so I tend not to do so anymore. If someone doesn’t want my support, I’ll not offer it. If this makes my discussions with SOQ seem overly negative in this regard, then you have your reason. If your views are formed from looking at both mine and SOQ’s posts in context and you consider my behaviour inappropriate and his behaviour acceptable, then you’ve got your own issues.

          22. Mad

            Other than your behaviour is persistent bullying I don’t have any issues man
            If SOQ craves negative attention then why give it to him? Think about it

          23. paul

            So people give back to SOQ what he gives out and you back up his initial abuse? Reinforcing what he gives out while dishing out criticism to those that engage with him? I don’t think you have SOQ’s best interests at heart at all, quite the opposite. You claim to know what is going on in SOQ’s head and yet you reinforce his ‘craving for negative attention’?

            I mentioned a few weeks back the idea of the ‘useful idiot’, I see you treating SOQ that way despite him not being one. Same with the user Me So Harney. Problematic behaviour on your end, not mine.

          24. Mad

            I see you both have a very thin skin now Paul and that I may have overestimated your desire to appear to be reasonable – my bad. You and you alone have both responsibilities for and control over your own behaviour to others online. That was my first and only point here. You seem to be implying that SOQ’s excesses at some level excuse your own. I simply can’t agree with this at any level and it makes you look bad. Let SOQ figure out things for himself please.

          25. paul

            So you step over everything I’ve said, refuse to address my concerns and resorted to your own name-calling. I can see myself how you’ve taken to being called out and it doesn’t reflect well upon you. Enjoy your artificial high ground, it’s as false as your empathy.

            Have a good night. I’m sure you’ll resurface when SOQ faces any legitimate criticism tomorrow.

          26. Mad

            Hang in there Paul – playing the victim card now, eh? Your transparent BS has been exposed for the world to see and if it’s any consolation you’re not the first over-pumped, toxic male superego I’ve had cause to de-inflate here over the years.
            Sssss – that’s the sound of the air going out of your tyres, Paul.

          27. paul

            As the layers of faux concern and politeness peel away, you now even sound like him. Can’t be healthy.

            Saddle your horse, shine your armour and polish your sword, white knight. Both will be needed again before ere long.

          28. SOQ

            This was my INITIAL comment to you.

            “Russian bias as touted by whom? And even if there was- does that mean everything was a lie? Half of it historical facts but given the current climate, even that is labelled propaganda I expect.

            So once again- point me to what you think is a better documentary on the subject?”

            Awful abuse that is. So once again- where in this thread did you state that you had watched the documentary ‘Ukraine on Fire’?

        1. K. Cavan

          It’s geopolitical realities, Dolly, not Putin’s Penis, which you seem a bit obsessed with.
          Not getting much, lately?

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            Back to fantasising about my sex life again? (BTW, it’s usually the “Mad” login that’s the sexual obsessive.). Open the window in your incel basement. The lack of oxygen is making you forgetful.

          2. Mad

            Put your plastic phallus-shaped sex toy back in your man bag Daisy

            Lol that’s some clever autocorrect software bodger

    2. Nigel

      I hope this doesn’t mean Russia is planning to use a nuke and getting its cover-story set up beforehand.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        They’ve already placed a couple on the seabed off the south west coast a month or two ago.

      2. bisted

        …go easy on the spinning…you haven’t even reached the WMDs yet…the babies thrown from incubators…soldiers given viagra to encourage more rapes…gas…

        1. Nigel

          No, you bought in to the ‘Nazis and demilitarisation’ spin, SOQ loves the biolabs and NATO general rumours, gas altogether.

          1. bisted

            …no spin about denazifing and demilitarising…that has been Russias stated objective from the outset…

          2. SOQ

            Do you actually live in a bubble? You are being fed half of one side of a story and still, you insist that is the complete and accurate picture.

            Do you never get the urge to stick your head behind the curtains of this propaganda BS and see what is really going on?

          3. Nigel

            Yes, bisted that’s the spin.

            SOQ you think balance is believing Russian propaganda instead of Ukrainian, you’re in no position to yammer about bubbles.

          4. SOQ

            I have no idea what Russian propaganda is because the main Russian media is banned here. My sources would be journalists whom while probably are not as independent as they claim, are certainly are not shills.

            You on the other hand are quite happy and parrot the official narrative without question. In the case of Ukraine, if it was to flip back to pre 2022 MSM coverage of their far right and Neo Nazis- you wouldn’t even blink while doing so.

          5. Nigel

            ‘I have no idea what Russian propaganda is’

            ‘The US is planning a flase-flag nuclear strike.’
            ‘The US is planning a false-flag chemical attack.’
            ‘Zelensky is a coke-head US puppet.’
            ‘Ukraine is full of and run by Nazis.’
            ‘There’s a bioweapons lab in the steelworks.’

            All obvious pro-Russian propaganda. Even in this very comment, you talk about Ukrainian Nazis as if they’re some sort of balance to the fact that Putin invaded.

          6. bisted

            …so denazifing and demilitarising is merely spin…that will be a relief to those cornered in Mariupol…

          7. SOQ

            ‘The US MAY BE planning a flase-flag nuclear strike.’
            ‘The US MAY BE planning a false-flag chemical attack.’
            ‘Zelensky IS a coke-head US puppet.’
            ‘Ukraine IS full of and run by Nazis.’
            ‘There MAY BE a bioweapons lab in the steelworks.’

            Try again.

          8. Nigel

            ‘that will be a relief to those cornered in Mariupol…’

            Bloodthirsty warmonger.

          9. Nigel

            Utter spin. You haven’t even had a look at exactly who Putin classes as Nazis, and what sorts of mercenaries Putin’s been using in Donbas for years.

          10. SOQ

            On Monday I posted an item of record documentary on how peaceful protestors were burnt alive in Odessa in 2010 by real life dyed in the wool Nazis.

            The documentary also highlighted how the organiser then went on to become a major player in the Ukrainian government.

            Somehow, in your twilight world, this was all Putin’s fault?

          11. Nigel

            If you can connect that event to Putin’s invasion, exonerating Putin of responsibility for the invasion he initiated, go ahead. Please don’t skip over Putin starting the conflict in Donbas using Nazi mercenaries.

            (Also youre conflating anti-Russian – or pro-Maidan – with Nazi – which, of course, is Russian propaganda.)

          12. SOQ

            In Ukraine the most anti-Russian ARE Nazis Nigel- which is why the Azov battalion were sent in to butcher the Russian speakers in the west?

            Now maybe you could sit back and ask yourself why the Nazis so anti Russian? Go on- I dare you- engage your brain for once.

          13. Nigel

            (Bit of sleight of hand there – not all anti-Russians are Nazis, though that is the Russian line.)

            Now I’m curious what you think the reason might be, other than the obvious ones.

            I note you still haven’t actually drawn a direct connection, exonerated Putin, or acknowledged Putin started the Donbas conflict with Nazi mercenaries.

      3. Kin

        Well it’s announced by the Russians a final evacuation of people from the steel works
        The Kiev spokeswoman says these people are going to be deported to Russia
        In all honesty dose anyone think Russia is going to let the azov batallion and mercenaries out this easy
        I did notice that azov batallion families are demonstration regarding their loved ones so they got out
        The question remains about the civillians women children
        It seems they might just be human shields
        Seems azov Ukrainian forces learnt well from hamas in Gaza
        The good thing is hopefully the Russians just might start withdrawing and some sort of peace will begin

      4. K. Cavan

        Russia could destroy every European capital without any WMDs, Nigel The Nazi. A Kinzhal would take out any city centre on the continent & once launched, would be unstoppable.
        It’s far more likely that the side taking a battering would resort to provocations & that’s the US & their Ukrainian proxies.
        Europe is now virtually defenceless, having “donated” so much of its weaponry to the Nazis & their allies. Worse, most of those arms & ammunition are being immolated en route or sold by panicked Ukrainian commanders eager to get their families out.
        The biggest economic crash in history is waiting in the wings, our very civilization under threat from the reckless stupidity of our so-called leaders. I hope there’s enough lamposts for every one of them, the stupid tools.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          You are one extremely sick fupper. I hope the Gardai have you on a watchlist.

          1. jonjoker

            Indeed, I think K Cav is close to the truth here – despite appearances and the shyte we are being fed in the mainstream media, this war is about US losing hegemony. They know that China has overtaken them in the field of production (the real economy) and a resurgent Russia is arising out of the ashes of the USSR. The EU has been happy to be an appendage of the US as long as it brought in the silver, but the rest of the world has re-organised over the last 30 years, and particularly since 2007.
            I see the events in Ukraine as being a last stand by the US (via proxies) in trying to recover its hegemony, or at least in casting its net to cover as large a part of the world as possible (preferably while debilitating Russia) in order to retain control, albeit over a smaller part of the world.
            If unsuccessful, I would expect all the bigname US corporations to gradually deflate, and Wall Street along with them.
            As always, time of course will tell.

          2. SOQ

            I agree- the petrodollar is no longer what it was and the implications of that for the US are huge.

            I also think that the US seriously overestimates it’s exported culture. Take the big fast food brands for example. They stormed out of Russia in a strop and the Russians quickly knocked up rip offs which are probably better value, and quality.

  5. Gabby

    The Fed has increased the rate of interest to 0.5 per cent. If America sneezes, the world catches cold. Bless us.

    1. K. Cavan

      America’s current status is terminal, it’s determined to tear itself apart with divisive, lunatic social policies which amount to an assault on the values & people who built the very nation.
      The only questions are how long it will last & how many nations in The West will realise before it’s too late & avoid following it over the precipice.

  6. Mad

    It’s very clever of the Russian bots to put schools rugby.
    And a redhead, on the front pages.

    I love their work.
    Yours; Putin Bot

  7. Mad

    Why is there no one here this morning from the Tory party?
    I’d love some insight into this grassroots conservatives rebellion against Boris.

    1. jonjoker

      Good question.
      Maybe because an Irish website is of very little interest to them.
      Should we return the favour and ignore their newspapers, too?

    2. K. Cavan

      That headline was a comic interlude, no doubt or an indication of how utterly out to lunch & out of touch with public opinion the Oligarchs who own the media are. Having beers in the back yard is the least of Johnson’s crimes but that is clearly what the Elites think is bothering the proles, so their minions just keep singing a song that nobody wants to hear.
      You’d think they’d give it a rest now that Johnson has stepped back in line with his warmongering response to the Ukrainian situation, even if he broke ranks on extending the Fake Pandemic.

  8. SOQ

    If the polls are correct, BIG day up north- history in the making stuff- Sinn Féin are set to become the largest party in Stormont, and take over the first minister’s role.

    But as the DUP have been losing ground to the more liberal UUP on one side and more conservative TUV on the other, analysts say it is not so much the rise of SF- as the demise of the DUP.

    How much difference this change will make to day to day NI politics remains to be seen, but it’s significance should not be under estimated- especially if Sinn Féin also get into power in the south.

      1. SOQ

        I worry now. The blatant sell out of the country by FFG to the globalists is the most treasonous act of our life times. The property market is saturated with greedy sewer rats and cuckoo funds to the point that an entire generation cannot afford to rent let alone buy a home.

        That is not to say that SF’s performance during the pandemic was any better, but they are grounded in the left and they will restore some semblance of balance to the housing situation. I could be one their biggest critics, especially their FF style of parish pump politics, but I really do think it is time for a change.

        1. anti bot

          How on earth can you moan about ffg but support Putin. You really are one twisted person

          1. Mad

            I think I have figured out who you are IRL antibot
            Shut the fupp up please and stop abusing SOQ
            Thanks

    1. K. Cavan

      Sinn Fein’s rise is as inevitable as their consequent decline & it will all be over in one government. As soon as they get power in the Republic, the realisation that they are just another Soros-funded Enemy of the People, just like FFFGreens, will dawn on the electorate, rapidly & they’ll be relegated back to being also-rans, forever, at the following election.

    1. K. Cavan

      India has weeks of blackouts every Summer but they will inevitably build more & more coal-fired generation stations to correct this, pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere than all the ludicrous, virtue signalling cutbacks in The West will eliminate. The rest of the world will do likewise, free from the political grandstanding demanded of our servile governments with their fake Green Agenda.

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