Um.

last night.

Only three people under 65 died of Covid with no other underlying causes in 2020, according to the Central Statistics Office (CSO)?

Anyone?

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    1. SOQ

      And the worst case is Peru- which also has the harshest and longest restrictions in the world.

      1. Nigel

        Just a quick scan shows Poland, Russia, Mexico, Brazil and the US were all worse – you’re using one single data point to reach your conclusion with no actual study of the cause in evdience at all.

          1. Nigel

            Fair enough, up near the top anyway. Anyone interested would, of course, want to dig in to the specifics rather than declare responses that had worked for multiple countries all over the world a complete failure based on that one country.

          2. SOQ

            Is that Nigel saying “I was wrong” that I hear?

            Goodness- the world really is going to end.

          3. tom3

            So if there are low numbers your lot will claim lockdowns don’t work. High numbers and you claim they don’t work.

          4. Nigel

            Yes, SOQ, I do try to keep the facts straight.

            tom3 if most of the countries that locked down had low numbers, but one had significantly higher numbers, the first thing to springs to mind isn’t that lockdowns don’t work, it’s that something went horribly wrong in that one country.

    1. Kin

      We if we were the population of the USA have 478 thousand dead from covid 19
      So salute the hero’s and thank god we are a far less populated country
      As we have 7244 dead
      Thanks to so called bed blockers shoved untested into nursing homes in the first year we might of had half the death toll

  1. ND

    Is the person who highlighted this suggesting that the lockdowns were a waste of time? These numbers are so low because we were in lockdown. If we weren’t in lockdown the numbers would be much higher, so what is the point this person is trying to make?

    1. tom3

      Eddie Hobbs should stay in his lane. If I want advice on how to lose millions in the property market then he’s the first man I will listen to.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        He should stick to wearing his yellow star of David and flogging timeshares in Costa Verde and Bulgaria. Shyster.

    2. SOQ

      As above- there is no correlation between restrictions and over all fatality rates- in plain English, they made no difference.

    3. bell

      Your logic is flawed. There are sufficient numbers of people who tested positive for covid in 2020 to make this data valid.

      If the numbers who tested positive increased 10 fold, the death rate would have been 610.
      Ireland has over 30,000 deaths Annually, this increase of 610 would not even have been noticed.

    4. Kin

      No the pr for government trying to spin how sucessful they were
      In other words a better failure than others
      It’s a race to the bottom and a here here for the hero’s while the rest of us locked up and treated like idiots
      When we start seeing the collateral damage added on that it should be the data will be pretty grim and when others are all rated as to their failures they will not be so smug about it
      The carnage of covid was made far worse by government and that day of reckoning is fast approaching
      The chickens are all coming back to roost

  2. SOQ

    I think it time the respective authorities came clean as to why the massive over reaction when it was glaringly obvious from early on that it was nowhere near as virulent as first claimed.

    My guess is the source- meaning that it is known in certain circles that it came out of a lab. Nobody will admit to this, especially if it was funded by the US, but it is the only logical explanation as to why they wrecked so many economies, and wrecked so many people’s lives.

    Either that or it was a case of ‘monkey see monkey do’- which is malfeasance on a scale like never before.

    1. jonjoker

      Luc Montaignier was pretty sure that it came from a laboratory – he even claimed to have read a paper that found a bit of HIV viruse in the genome.
      He said the rumour claimed that it was an attempt to develop a HIV vaccine.

      1. SOQ

        Luc Montaignier was responsible for identifying the HIV virus of course.

        As far as I can see, nobody has explained why people in Australia tested HIV positive after CoVid-19 vaccination, and what was the difference between the Australian one and the rest actually are?

    2. Nigel

      Ah yes, how best to cover up the leak of a lab-made virus than a massive global two-year on-and-off lockdown.

      1. hmmm

        Q: How best to cover-up the lie of “millions dead”?

        A: I know… let’s send the Potato!!

        1. Nigel

          A potato could up with a scheme – let’s cover up a lab leak of a man-made virus by locking down the entire world for two years AND PRETENDING IT KILLED MILLIONS but you wouldn’t necessarily do it.

      2. Kin

        I see Nigel has his science hat on
        The reason the government had a two year on off lockdown was arse coveting clueless doing what they were told by their new masters
        Our economy is in tatters
        We could of done what New Zealand did
        Europe mainland could not
        We could of had no lockdowns like New Zealand and kept it out but no
        Then we could of dealt with it got the vaccine and spared the mental health of the nation
        Brazil did nothing no lock down 212 million people 42 times our population and 660 thousand deaths
        Times 7700 deaths by 42 we get half the number of deaths in Ireland than Brazil and they did absolutely zero
        So add on the numbers that will die in this country from cancer checks not done
        A day of reckoning will come when all the data is in for the real cost of our hero’s work

    3. anti bot

      and all the liars are in. Have you had covid? I did months ago. Still suffering with the impacts. How come it’s always the same eegits on here denying covid as a disease and tge invasion of Ukraine. why do they never reply when called out.

      1. SOQ

        Go on tell us. Tell us. That’s it run away. Why won’t you answer us?

        The voices in my head are fighting, my imaginary friend is running around with scissors- and one of personalities has just wandered off?

        1. anti bot

          See, never engaged. As usual just post lies and run away. have you had covid and the affects?

        1. anti bot

          it does affect your brain. Dr in hospital told me that they are studying brain fog as result of covid. Thankfully the Internet and Trump supporters is full of idiots denying that it is disease. Should I drink bleach? When are you going to get a job?

    4. freewheeling

      The suspicion is that because US Mil knew it was an escapee from a bioweapon facility that they took charge behind the scenes, so it became a militarised response strategy, communicated to all governments via private channels – “we have an escaped bioweapon on the loose, coming your way”. I still remember the pasty shocked looking mug on Coveney when he came out of the meeting where the cabinent were informed of what was planned (before the public announcement of lockdown).

      1. SOQ

        Yes, I think you are right.

        Eammon Holmes admitted to as much on TV by saying that the media were under war time restrictions as to what they could or could not say.

        I suspect the same is now true with the Ukraine situation, even though nobody apart from the Russians is officially at war with Ukraine- and they have never actually declared war either.

          1. Nigel

            Did Eammon Holmes claim the virus was made in a lab and leaked and the global response was all part of a massive cover-up that somehow worked by drawing attention to the presence of a dangerous new virus in the world? Or was that just you?

    1. johnny

      …oh,look,a big truck,we all know Cian owns you,which lets be honest ain’t difficult.

      1. Ian - oG

        Expect a cease and desist letter about that bell.

        Viruses have a reputation to uphold, unlike Hobbgoblin.

      2. Kin

        Bell
        God love Eddie Hobbs he is the Michael fish of investments or the Ratners of jewellers or even the captain of the titanic or even the king Canute of kings or even The Brian Cowan of politics

    1. Kin

      Mad they sure did
      They got rid of what they call bed blockers
      Imagine being a virus expert and not even testing possible covid infected before moving them into nursing homes full of old fairly vulnerable people
      Now you would expect that from someone with one point higher in intellect to a village idiot but a health care professional with medical degrees oozing from their back passage
      And not one held to account

  3. Commenter #1

    Interesting. It appears from the data that this particular illness is more dangerous to someone if they already have an underlying condition.

    Who would ever have thought so?

      1. Commenter #1

        What a breakthrough. Thank you to Eddie Hobbs for revealing that an illness is more dangerous in certain circumstances.

        1. SOQ

          What he is revealing is the gross over reaction to a virus with a similar virulency to a bad flu?

          1. Commenter #1

            What year did 1672 people die of flu in Ireland, and what level of mitigation was in place (lockdown, mask wearing, etc)?

          2. SOQ

            and when did 1672 people die OF CoVid-19 in Ireland?

            That is Eddie’s whole point.

            And, we have no figures on how many died WITH flu in Ireland.

            As for the lockdown, mask wearing, etc guff- it never made a blind bit of difference. Otherwise countries and US states which did not adhere would be the top of the charts- they are not.

          3. Commenter #1

            From Eddie’s screenshot, from the CSO:

            “There were 1672 registered deaths where COVID 19 was assigned as the Underlying Cause of Death.”

            So; the CSO gives out data on how many people die from flu. When did 1672 die of flu in Ireland? And what mitigation to limit the spread was in place?

          4. Commenter #1

            Here’s another fun question:

            During the years that mask wearing and lockdowns were prevalent, how many people died from flu?

          5. SOQ

            The scanned document states “of the 1672 registered… there were 61 records where COVID-19 was the only… on the death certificate.”

            That means 61 people died OF CoVid-19 while 1611 died of comorbities where CoVid-19 was a factor.

            Flu deaths on the other hand do not count with comorbities, only OF. It is not a like for like comparison.

          6. Commenter #1

            Nope; it means 61 are recorded of dying from COVID and COVID alone; in the other 1600+, COVID was recorded as an Underlying Cause Of Death.

            Note: Of Death

          7. Nigel

            ‘died of comorbities’

            You’re just deperate to downplay the importance of covid being dangerous to people in vulnerable groups.

          8. Commenter #1

            Yup. Flu can be very dangerous to people, especially if they have other underlying conditions. Just like COVID.

            And as we all know that masks and lockdowns don’t work to slow the spread of respiratory conditions, presumably the levels of deaths from flu have been the same over the last two years as in previous years. Right?

            EDITED for clarity

          9. GiggidyGoo

            Kinda puts paid to your covid sabre-rattling though eh Nigel? No flu sabre-rattling?

          10. Nigel

            Why would I need to ‘sabre-rattle’ about the flu? Nobody claims that it’s fake, or part of a global conspiracy, or that the vaccines are deliberately being used to poison people. So far. Touch wood.

          11. GiggidyGoo

            ‘ Why would I need to ‘sabre-rattle’ about the flu?’ Well there’s a vaccine for it isn’t there? Its dangerous, isn’t it? I didn’t see you telling us that we all needed to get the flu jab day in day in day out these past few years.

          12. Nigel

            I don’t think the flu vaccine is dangerous, and I never told you you needed to get the covid jab, either. Tell you what, you start a disinformation campaign about the flu and the flu vaccine, see if it takes off, then I’m sure it’ll be the subject of endless arguments on here, too.

          13. GiggidyGoo

            ‘ I don’t think the flu vaccine is dangerous,’
            Nice try.
            The flu is dangerous is it not? To people in vulnerable groups?

  4. U N M U T U A L

    Just for the record, here’s how cases were counted.
    You’d think that the CSO would at least use the specific codes.

    From the icd.who.int website circa – 2019… Re: ICD-10 U07

    “Emergency use of U07
    Note:
    Codes U00-U49 are to be used by WHO for the provisional assignment of new diseases of uncertain etiology. In emergency situations codes are not always accessible in electronic systems. The specification of category U07 in the way it is done here will make sure this category and the subcategories are available in every electronic system at any time and that they can be used upon instruction by WHO, immediately.

    U07.0
    Vaping-related disorder
    dabbing related lung damage
    dabbing related disorde
    electronic cigarette related lung damage
    electronic cigarette related lung injury
    dabbing related lung injury
    e-cigarette – [electronic] cigarette related disorder
    EVALI – [e-cigarette, or vaping, product use associated lung injury]
    Use additional code, if desired, to identify pneumonia or other manifestations.

    U07.1
    COVID-19, virus identified
    COVID-19 NOS
    Use this code when COVID-19 has been confirmed by laboratory testing irrespective of severity of clinical signs or symptoms. Use additional code, if desired, to identify pneumonia or other manifestations.
    Excl.:
    Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2)
    Coronavirus as the cause of diseases classified to other chapters (B97.2)
    Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9)

    U07.2
    COVID-19, virus not identified
    Use this code when COVID-19 is diagnosed clinically or epidemiologically but laboratory testing is inconclusive or not available. Use additional code, if desired, to identify pneumonia or other manifestations
    Excl.:
    Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2)
    COVID-19:
    confirmed by laboratory testing (U07.1)
    special screening examination (Z11.5)
    suspected but ruled out by negative laboratory results (Z03.8)”

    https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/U07

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