For those of us who believe in God Almighty, we should ask ourselves one question:
Who gives priests the sole power of absolving sins?
Does God not do it himself?
Can God hear all and see all, if yes then why not pray to him for forgiveness?
Why not directly pray to God and leave the priests where they should be; Alone and far away from children.
I’m not a religious person but I do see the sense in this for those who believe. Why employ the middle men? Go direct and interpret it as you see understand it.
Sounds like someone’s calling for a reformation………
Well yes. I did study it and wish we in Ireland had gone along with it. We probably would have become an independent state earlier and with all 32 counties. A lot of things would be different of course but we wouldn’t have had half the shit we ended up dealing with.
True. We got rid of the Brits but we didn’t seem to mind being controlled by the Vatican.
Spot on RJ. If you have time to listen to it, give this a go:
Two comedians (one atheist, one Christian) having a proper, grown-up chat about faith. I’m an atheist myself, but the Thune guy has a pretty interesting outlook on it.
I’ll have a listen to that later Dave.
All priests are not at fault here; paedophiles look for access and opportunity with children and that was provided by the activities of the church until recent changes. Yes, the Vatican and Bishops are to blame for covering up the abuses, but every priest is not a paedophile just as every GAA coach, swimming coach and scout leader is not a potential threat to children.
Most people are fully aware of this. The church hierarchy and its most pious followers were the ones who actively covered it up.
“Most people are fully aware of this”, what do you mean by “most”?
Parents should keep children away from Catholic priests, since the Catholic church is the world’s largest pedophile protection program. Their bishops move and hide and protect the pedophiles, so you can’t tell which priests are dangerous and which ones aren’t.
Also, the percentage of pedophiles in the priesthood is higher than anywhere else. Catholic apologists will say its the same everywhere, but they never have any proof because it isn’t true.
That’s three questions but pedantry aside I think a lot of people are already doing this. I know my mother doesn’t go to mass anymore; she can’t support the Catholic Church as an organisation but she still has her beliefs.
The real thing to consider here though is why the fuck does anyone even want to go to heaven?? Oooh, absolve me Father, i just have to get to heaven. What is heaven exactly? Eternity with the most boring people who ever lived. Eternity?! That sounds more like hell to me. Flipside – what will be going on in hell? Prostitute coke parties, that’s what.
Sounds like machiavelli’s last words
“I desire to go to Hell and not to Heaven. In the former I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks and apostles”
The sacraments are such a pain in the hole.
Seriously, no pun intended.
i went to confession when i was 17 and i swear to god there was a gloryhole in the thing – no lie
if priests have to report confessions will that not just stop people confessing those crimes?
So? If they can’t get absolution for it then maybe they won’t do it. (Ha ha, even made myself laugh there like)
Criminals should be rehabilitated, you can’t begin to do that unless they get caught.
I don’t think anyone on here would advocate fucking children, I think we can all agree that is well and truly fucked up.
That’s all a bit heavy for a hangover Monday… but he’s got a fair point
Father X and Father Y??. I’m not so sure I understand the complex algebra of catholic paedophilia.
Begs the question: Who is A?
Now you sound like Horatio – in CSI – YEEEAAAH.
Your picture matches that almost perfectly Sido…
This is the problem with the decline in numbers taking higher maths. Don’t understand it myself.
Surely if Father X and Father Y get together, then result is Father XY, a female variant? Not allowed in the Rice Crispie Church. Letter in Irish Times makes no real sense.
I am still struggling with:
Father X + 2XCiggies + 1 X Mars Bar / 3 X Papal Nuncio = Ignored Guidelines
Shocked that any discussion on this hasn’t turned into an online shouting match. Shocked and impressed.
I remember way back when Sinead O’Connor tore a photo of the Pope in half over her rage at the abuse children suffered at the hands (and the cocks) of the catholic Church and she was ostracised here in Ireland for it. I think she’s really owed an apology. She was one of the first to speak out against it and break the code of silence. She should be honored for that.
I think we should end tax exemption for religions and tax these feckers right out of country and seize their property.
I think we should end tax exemption for religions and tax these feckers right out of country and seize their property
I’m not really sure how the Catholic Church can claim the moral high ground over say a horoscope hotline business. Same load of made-up nonsense in both.
One employs people who peddle spiritual guff and pay taxes
and one employs people who peddle spiritual guff and and doesn’t pay taxes.
there is a large poster in Temple Bar (arty thing, very nice) with a depiction of Sinead as a nun and the words ‘Sinead, you were right and we were wrong, so sorry’
The counter-point to this seems to be that confession provides an outlet and a place for confession and guidance – how long will it take for people to realise that the Catholic Church and its Priests are the WORST people to be providing this guidance.
They are the perpetrators, they absolve themselves.
I agree, in the not too distant past it was common practice for people to lay all their sins bare to a priest, who in turn gained massive amounts of blackmail material on people who didn’t fall in line with the church.
That is one of the reasons they became so powerful, they knew the secrets of the powerful.
i wonder if priests do often confess their sick crimes and if they do do they know which priests to confess to? it’d be like the morning after analysis of the night before with your mates, you’d only reveal certain details to certain like minded friends. fuck i just assumed they kept it quiet
I don’t see why some don’t go the whole hog and say that God told them to fuck kids. It’s the Church of Paedology. And any attempt to stop it is RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION.
It’s great to see that even the usual apologist types here are in agreement, I guess this topic doesn’t bear trolling.
Going back to the points made about the rules of the Catholic church, as an expat and ex-catholic living in London, I’d like to say that I know a number of people such as myself who are Christians and ex-Catholics and we all agree that most of the rules enforced by the church are actually unbiblical.
My favourite two examples are calling priests ‘Father’ when Matthew 23:9 categorically states ‘And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.’ and the whole celibacy thing which is condemned in 1 Tim 4:3-4 ‘Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods,….’
Being a Christian is not about rules and regimes, it’s about having a saviour in Jesus Christ!
I’m deeply involved in responding to the pedophile priest scandal and cover up in Philadelphia and one thing is clear. The remaining Catholics don’t care as long as it hasn’t happened to their child yet. That’s how brainwashed they are. If they don’t have children, its not a concern. It’s baffling.