Catholic Church Persuaded State To Segregate Children In New Primary Schools


Internal Department of Education documents obtained by RTÉ under Freedom of Information legislation show that the Department of Education gave guarantees that Catholic children in the new schools would receive a full separate Catholic religious education, even though it was already clear that Catholic children would be in a minority in the new schools.

New Details Of State Guarantees To Catholic Church Over Primary School Education (RTE)


In 2007 the effects of unprecedented levels of immigration plunged the education system here into crisis. Suddenly it was clear that there were not enough Primary school places to cater for all. It was also clear that our traditional, largely Catholic primary school system needed urgent reform.

The then Minister for Education Mary Hanafin announced a brand new kind of school called the Community National School. Its aim; to educate all comers, from all religious backgrounds and none.

But, according to papers obtained by RTE:

State gave Commitments To Catholic Church On Education (RTE)

30 thoughts on “Catholic Church Persuaded State To Segregate Children In New Primary Schools

  1. Caroline

    “The celebration ceremony, which involved Junior and Senior Infant classes, was attended by eight different religious leaders who blessed the children.”

    That is actually lol. Can you imagine the dick measuring going on at that?

    “One pastor struck a somewhat different chord by invoking the fear of God on the children in a demonstrative manner”.

    Good man. They don’t like it up them, these multidenomisecularists, do they?

    “There are now five Community National Schools in operation in Dublin and in surrounding counties. More have been approved and are due to open in coming years.”

    I’ll be avoiding them like the f***ing plague.

  2. Jockstrap

    They can hold their own Sunday schools or classes after service like Jews do on Saturday’s.

    They just don’t understand the concept of religion being separate from state functions.

    1. Dave Roe

      Prod churches do this too. I can’t understand how anyone can expect the state to pay a teacher to instruct their children in their own religion. Surely that is a job for their parents and/or Church?

      1. Barbara McMahon

        Got it in one. My children attend Educate Together and to have a teacher do after school Catholic Club for Communions and Confrimations we the parents pay. A percentage of this goes to the Church as they are considered non-parish schools even though they are in the parish but if the priest wouldn’t be visiting it like they do in Catholic schools then we have to pay. Then the teacher gets a fee which I have no problem paying as she is the main link with the Church and the paperwork that is required by law for to receive Communion or to be Confirmed.

  3. Diabhal

    The only way to avoid educational segregation is to tell parents and whatever shade of religion-peddlers they’re having themselves to take care of indoctrinating their little ones themselves – OUTSIDE of school hours.
    As a teacher, I could do without having to spend two and a half hours per week undermining the rational thinking I spend the rest of the time trying to instil in them. “Yes, children, well, you remember the times when I told you that all theories need evidence to support them? And the bit when I said you have to give good reasons to back up your opinions? Eh, well, ahem, uh… would you mind forgetting I ever said that during Religion lessons? Cheers!”
    Egads, this stuff makes me mad!

  4. The End

    I suppose only one of the priests that used to visit my school has been convicted of sexual abuse of a child, so the rest must be OK.

    FFS sheeple, tell your TD that you want your kids to be educated, not indoctrinated.

      1. The End

        “Sheeple” is the only way I can explain why people continue to put up with the charade of following Catholic rituals in Ireland. If more people exercised their right to opt out of religious rituals, the place would be a lot better.

    1. Dave, Dublin

      Mary Hanafin was the minister at the time. She was responsible for the model introduced in 2007. Batt O’Keefe affirmed his committment to this model when he became Minister in 2008.

        1. Dave Roe

          I thought there was something wrong with what you wrote there. Hanafin always had that look of a wannabe-nun about her.

  5. rapmachine no diggidy no doubt

    Fair play, them immigrants took our jobs and now they take our places in religious schools. damn immigants.

  6. Executive Steve

    “Pupils at the schools currently divide into four different Religious Education groups for up to four weeks in the run-up to Easter. Catholics are in one group, Other Christians in another, Muslims in a third, and Hindus, Buddhists and so-called Humanists in a fourth.”

    Why are Humanists only “so-called Humanists”?

    Very strange wording there from RTE…

    1. Dave, Dublin

      I’m guessing they used “so-called” since it’s more of a catch-all term than a distinct group. Ever seen an atheist and an agnostic argue? It’d make you wish there was a God so he’d smite them both.

      1. Brownedoff Bourgeois

        “catch-all term than a distinct group”

        Give how few self-termed “Catholics” attend Mass, avoid contraception, or even know what “transubstantiation”(*) is, that seems ironic.



  7. Fergd

    Considering that the census now finds that 17% of the population were born outside Ireland (which is a 25% increase in 5 years) and that over 500,000 are speaking a foreign language as their first language at home, surely this is the real crisis facing our education system, not the church doing what churches do – teach people religion?

    1. woesinger

      The issue isn’t churches teaching religion – it’s one church twisting the arm of the state for special treatment to promote its religion in publicly-funded primary schools.

      And let’s be clear of the difference between religious indoctrination and religious education.

      You can (and IMO should) educate kids about the various religions of the world and their beliefs and practices without indoctrinating them into any given religion.

      The Catholic Church wants to use our primary schools to indoctrinate kids into its version of its belief. If parents want that to happen, let them do it in dedicated Sunday schools funded by the Church and parents.

  8. catholic

    Having lived in several different countries it is interesting to see the western world from the viewpoint of a completely different culture. When you examine the evolution and development of western society from an outside perspective, the influence of religion takes on a whole new meaning.
    His Eminence The Patriarch
    Sir. Archbishop Michael

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