Taoiseach Enda Kenny on RTÉ’s Nine News tonight:
“And I think it should also be said Eileen, if I may say so that the average worker, a single worker on the minimum wage of 35,000 is going to get back €400 in the income tax returns starting in January.”
A Freudian slip from An Taoiseach.
Minimum wage is €8.65 per hour, 39 hours per week, 52 weeks per year = €17,542.
He should do more of these.
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Oh give over.
He’ll always have you Kieran, even when he’s lost everyone else.
+1 Kieran his loyal lapdog is a sight to behold spreading the gospel yonder.
You are a very bitter person. Let it go.
There there Kieran. Have you thought about changing your name by deed poll to Kierenda? Suits you!
I think enda has a pain in arse at this stage.
Cock a leg there Enda, and let one go…. G’waaaan !
It difficult, John.
I’m sure i’m not the only one.
*it’s*
Don’t worry about your spelling. Like the tweet says: https://twitter.com/thomas_violence/status/529462270133153792
I don’t see what class has to do with ignorance
Mayhaps Replace minimum with average? Do those sums add up?
But sure nobody’s ever made a mistake on live television before.
It’s clear that’s what he meant.
Clutching at straws to wind people up.
He’s not that fast on his feet in fairness but ya average wage me thinks
Or sitting down.
+1 it’s average and so obviously so, the easily offended brigade had to jump on it however.
It’s not that we’re offended, so much as laughing helplessly at his inability to get anything at all right at this stage!
He probably meant “tax returns” for self employed people, but they don’t eh start in January.
Or maybe he meant, less tax over the year, in their payslip starting in January.
It’s hard to tell what he means. Could he not just read from a notepad altogether or something?
:-)
The average industrial wage is quite a bit higher iirc. Not aware of any other average wages that get tossed around.
Average industrial wage €41,000 minimum wage €17,500.
Average wage is around €690 pw €35,000 pa according to these CSO stats:http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=EHQ03.asp&TableName=Earnings+and+Labour+Costs&StatisticalProduct=DB_EH
As far as I know they’ve abolished the concept of the average ‘industrial’ wage. Blurb at bottom says it covers: “all sectors of the economy other than Agriculture, forestry and fishing”.
Probably only PAYE workers I’d imagine?
got country out of bail out? check
reduced unemployment? check
sustainable taxation model? check
good job taoiseach
The 16 just there in your handle – your age or your I.Q.?
ah now
Hmmm, interesting handle also.
LoL Spartacus…..LOL
Regression toward the mean probably played a larger part than FG’s employment policies.
I also think this is true.
Do you hah? not fupping likely
Also emigration
Not comparing them but, hitler managed that as well.
There’ll be no more of that.
Taking out a massive loan that we’re going to be repaying for decades to come is not getting the country out of a bailout. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul
Wayyyyyoooooowwwwwwwww – we wulda voted it!!
Putting people on Mickey Mouse courses and underpaid and exploitative internships does not equal employment. It’s a cynical statistics spin.
Plus the thousands upon thousands that have left Ireland looking for work
should be 17 wha’? illuminatcha!
The reason unemployment has been reduced is down to the fact that more people have emigrated and more people my mother and fathers age have been forced into jobs like call centre work for 8.65 an hour… It’s disgusting
Every economist is saying austerity is the wrong way to do it, they should have invested more in education, tax breaks for start ups that will employ over a certain amount of staff and a general promotion of good work practices not jobbridge schemes. Oh and not pay billions out to failed gamblers in the banking system, now I know FF did that as well but they are not getting anybody’s vote again.
got country out of bailout? .. no. just used the model implemented by the previous government, which landed every citizen and their kids and their kids kids lifetimes of debt.
reduced unemployment? .. no. it could only go up. helped by large amounts emigrating. and those who did get back in employment only work to pay off taxes and new charges etc.
sustainable tax model .. are you having a f**in laugh?
be gone, illuminati 16 .. ya massive dope
Kenny is a live mistake on television
Kenny is a mistake.
Fixed that for you.
Freudian slip usually denotes a verbal slip that reveals your true beliefs. Maybe a big surprise coming up in the budget!!
Enda K no do the talk thing good, specially on TV.
now the lights is near and so I face a culchie melt down .. no talk no good
He’s a glorified county councillor who gets startled by bright lights.
What I think he meant average pay worker on minimum of 35k…
He’s out of touch he’s out of time. Now sing the the last sentence as I love that tune.
Now the end is near
And I face the final paypack
Wayyyyyoooooowwwwww
Suckers!
If Enda & Tony Abbott met i’d say the universe would collapse.
Dont cross the streams
Now that you mention it, the resemblance is striking…
That’s a new one for mick flavin, enda and tony abbott go swimming off Ross’s point in their matching speedos.
I am literally mad with rage right now.
how are you this morning?..did you get some sleep?
I had a terible sleep. Mrs kept me awake all night with her coughing. Then she gets to stay in bed all day while I have to get meself and the young lad up and out. And whats Enda doing about it?? Nothing! That’s what. Pr**k.
Off to the haughty step with you Mr Kenny.
Average income is around €26,907, although that is based on a per household income (that is, total household income split evenly between adults) . Average, of course, is useless as a way of expressing what most people have to live on. Median income is usually the preferred marker, as it’s the most 50% of income earners take home. Based on Gross Income Distribution ‐ for individuals (2009 figures) the median was €18,076. http://www.nerinstitute.net/download/pdf/m_collins_living_wage_neri_may_1_2014.pdf
NERI also have a handy graphic showing how average household income has decreased since 2008:
http://www.nerinstitute.net/blog/2014/11/04/trends-in-average-incomes-since-2006/
“The indicator shows that between the year when incomes peaked, 2008, and 2012 average household incomes decreased from €49,043 to €40,505 (almost 17.4%) reflecting falls in earnings, reduced welfare payments and increases in income taxation levels. Overtime, the average household disposable incomes figure has fallen back towards 2005 levels (2012 = €40,505 and 2005 = €40,497)”
is a person on Minimum wage (€8.65 per hour, 39 hours per week, 52 weeks per year = €17,542) is going to get back €400
No, they’ll get €173 back (presuming no child and single):
http://taxcalc.ie/budget-2015/?salary=17542&employment_status=1&marital_status=1&children=0
A person on the €35K mentioned will get €396 back:
http://taxcalc.ie/budget-2015/?salary=35000&employment_status=1&marital_status=1&children=0
Do you “get it back” or not have it taken off you to begin with i.e. pay less?
Give it a break, the average industrial wage is €35,000. It’s what he was alluding to, posts like these get no-one anywhere!
I’m sure he was supposed to refer to the average industrial wage. I’d say he got mixed up because he is thick.
Even if he did mean average wage – that’s almost as bad. As D points out above, the average is a meaningless statistic in this case because the ultra-rich drag the average up. Let’s say I run a company with 10 employees. I make a million a year out of the company and I pay everyone else minimum wage of €17,542.
1,000,000+(17,542*10)= 1175420 /11 = 106,856.40.
So there’s a company where the average wage is almost €107K per year! Pretty impressive, huh? The median is straight up €17,542 though, and a far more accurate portrayal of how much everyone actually makes.
One way or another, Kenny’s language here is deplorable. Either he’s so horribly out of touch that this was his most recent in a long line of “Let them eat cake” moments, or he was deliberately trying to bamboozle the middle class into accepting their lot by suggesting more people were going to benefit from the tax rebates than actually are.
not one journalist in our country has EVER got their head around that point. “I was never good at maths, much better at writing”. pricks. so much time wasted talking about average this average that, they haven’t a bog.
Generally the “average” wage, or age or whatever the CSO is citing, is the median as opposed to the mean. The median, being the middle value, is much more robust to outliers.
This is who’s in charge of you! LOL!
8.65 an hour is an insult. employers dont want to pay anymore than 8.65 an hour
“I’d like to thank my boss for paying me the absolute lowest amount of money he is required to by law”.
This guy is a qualified schoolteacher with minimal time spent at that job who is now running the country or at least elected to be.
He has no qualifications to do so. If someone wanted to run a listed company you would need experience, probably a MBA and business acumen.
Kenny has none of these…….
Dopey hure
average wage in ireland this year is €25,920 (source: google, wikipedia etc.)
if enda’s little slip up meant to say “average” well then he popped an extra 10k a year onto it, maybe he should pop an extra 10k a year onto the minimum wage? the arrogance of some of our higher earning politicians is nauseating to say the least
Came here for the comments, was not disappointed.
The troll is strong in here, also party interns everywhere.
*bonus* Godwin’s law got in there early.
I did my best. He came out of nowhere.
Who cares anyway! You people couldn’t vote your way out of a paper bag.