Since when do the views of a motley lot of NCCA union reps trump individual boards of managements and the wishes of parents? The NCCA don’t really have any views at all – they just adapt their message according to union policy, what is politically expedient at any given time and what is advantageous to the union subscriber base. That there might be a rigorous intellectual underpinning (i.e. a Christian education) to the teaching of children is an idea that scares the hell out of them (and part of the reason they ended up like they did).
Anyway, the only thing worse than a work man who thinks he knows better than a tradesman is a bunch of cosseted public payroll twits who have convinced themselves that they (and only they) know what’s best. A collective that Truly Believes that the only absolute in this world is relative. Middle-aged, recreational union participants are bitter that life didn’t quite work out as planned and are intent on bringing everyone down to least common denominator level (advanced maths class) because they resent the achievements of others. They confuse leaving a mark in the world with “jazzing up” the work of others, accidentally chipping the head off the master craftsman’s statue, not liking the result, and walking away with a pre-95 pension. “At least we tried” they comfort themselves with. Anyway, this “NCCA” organisation consists of a very dangerous blend of power-hungry pole climbers (with a fondness for the public payroll, an odd fascination for supporting gays getting “married”, sex paraphernalia in schools and LGBTQ* programmes aimed at 11 year-olds) that parents ought to take great care at protecting vulnerable minds from.
Given the quality of student entering 3rd level today’s institutions, it’s clear the NCCA’s “about” strategy is working. Teaching “about” spelling and grammar is working. Teaching “about” maths (especially calculus without integration) is working. Same for teaching “about” the Irish language (which very few can speak even though it’s compulsory). If they are going to impose an anti- common sense and anti-intellectual central diktat that *all* schools *must* (a teacher’s favourite word) teach “about” religion, is it really that surprising if kids turn up to granny’s funeral not knowing what a Hail Mary is and totally confused about why some folks say “and also with you” and others “and with your spirit”? Because that’s the practical reality of hair-brained, feminist-inspired clap-trap masquerading as “research” into education.
Walter-Ego
Yawn. Didn’t read any of that.
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
You should read it.
It’s very entertaining.
Don’t answer it though.
Please don’t answer it.
Marian
Here’s the TL;DR for you:
Minister recieves a brain fart from the NCCA, stands in front of a room, waffles and waves her hands about. Everyone thinks she’s great. Irish Times says she’s great. Becomes policy.
Kieran NYC
Get your rosary beads from around kids’ necks. Do it in your own time.
Marian
Ever considered that learning a Hail Holy Queen prayer or learning about a few saints might be good for kids? Or listening to a few parables from a young nun or priest followed by a q&a? That parents might want their kids to inherit what they benefitted greatly from in their hour of great need, moments of great joy or periods of great questioning? That there may be something much greater than the NCCA and The State? Something that infinitely transcends? Now that’s an idea that would scare the bejaysus out of a mediocrity rooted in ignorance and smug in the knowledge that the bills will be paid by the taxpayer regardless of how many times they screw up.
Kieran NYC
Nah I did enough of that in school. Horrible stuff.
Mike
*yawn. ditto
ahyeah
Of the many things that Catholicism has given us, ABM (some good, some bad, some horrendously evil), “rigorous intellectual underpinning” doesn’t come into it at all. Catholicism stifles rather than promotes intellectualism. Unquestioning superstition isn’t exactly intellectual, is it?
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
@ahyeah;
re: rigorous intellectual underpinning
I haven’t snorted tea backwards in a long time.
-Give the man his dues. He’s hilarious.
There’s nothing intellectually rigorous about RCC teaching. It’s the opposite. But you haven’t broken from that ABM, so you don’t see it, because you are stifled by it.
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
Let this one go Clampers.
The fish that jumps on a hook isn’t worth catching.
Mark
How is the daily star still a thing?
Horselover Fat
It’s the paper of record for the living dead.
Marian
I guess it’s much cheaper for the brave Tara Street right-on feminists and feminist enablers to simply mock christians instead. I wish the Irish Times would do us all a favour and actually publish some anti-muslim cartoons instead of just talking about how “brave” others are about insulting people’s religion. But given the cost of 24-hour security men, that a man might have to come and dispose of a bomb and the cost of bomb repairs to their big glass building on Tara Street, I don’t think the 50+ Saturday morning latte brigade would be willing to pay the extra euro to read about someone’s public abortion confession or the experiences of a fully grown man in a dress sharing his “street harassment” story or an interview with a local scientist with a machine that can look inside “septic tanks” full of dead babies that were secretly put there by evil nuns under the cloak of darkness.
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
Oh dear…
There’s two of them now.
Kieran NYC
Always two there are… a Master and an Apprentice.
Deluded
May the farce be with us.
FreshFish
Well they won’t use contraception
Frilly Keane
Don’t think I read that bit properly
Partners of GRA heads getting bonuses ? In the IT
Am I right?
Someone read it out ta me there
Please
Deluded
€200 for partners and spouses by general consensus recognising support and esteem etc.
“The officials have been paying their partners a bonus from the organisation’s funds for at least five years.
The payments, which now total at least €30,000, were not known to the rank-and-file members of the force before now.”
As someone commented here before, even in Italy the State-run schools do not teach religion in school. There are classes held an hour before or after the school day, and it does not interfere with the education of the children. Those with no religious beliefs simply don’t attend. It all seems to make a lot of sense, and everyone is happy.
This should really be the case, regardless of creed, be it Catholic, Buddhist or Pastafarian.
If Religion is still a thing I follow the weird guy….what’s his name?
-The one nobody talks about.
What WAS his name?
He was in ‘The Trinity’.
Oh yeah…
God The Holy Ghost.
Or ‘The Spirit’, as I like to call him.
-At least He admits he doesn’t exist.
Not a lot of men can do that.
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
Dear BS,
I somehow managed to edit my comment AFTER it went into moderation.
Now I’m double-posting.
I only added a line.
Choose one comment. delete the earlier one.
Stop making me look stupid, or I’ll start triple-posting, quadruple-posting….
(only joking. ;-) )
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
Oh, you already did it.
That’s super.
Yiz are great lads altogether.
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
It was merely a glimp in the matrok, as the nerds would say..
I love the nerds. They make me feel normal because they’re so weird.
Fergus the magic postman
A worldwide ban on the worship of false Gods (ie. all Gods), & religious undertones, overtones, or tones in general would be very welcome.
Communion? Yup, that needs to be ditched too. It tastes no different to ice cream wafers anyway. Get rid of baptism, & confirmation while we’re at it.
Sure, her faith is all your granny has, but face it, she’s getting on now & the world is changing. Religion is bad, and has always been responsible for the my God is better than your God, disagree & I’ll kill you carry on in the world.
sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq
But shut up about all that for a minute.
A new ‘paper’ has appeared above.
-It calls itself ‘The Times’ Ireland Edition (sic)
-It says, and I quote…
‘Men used dark net ‘like E-Bay’ to sell LSD.’(sic)
Is there another way, because I’d like to buy some LSD. I tried E-Bay.
Is this another Star Wars promotion?
I’m getting sick of it.
Darwinator
All that religion stuff should be replaced by lessons on evolution. It has happened, whether you like it or not.
Peter Dempsey
“Politically correct universities are killing free speech”
No comment on this because the typical right-on Broadsheet poster knows this is true.
Kieran NYC
Are you annoyed people might be agreeing with you?
Daft.
Gaoithe
What was it the Wobblies called Jesus – Jerusalem Slim, reckoning that he was a radical.
some old queen
International New York Times: Has Europe reached the breaking point?
In Ireland this happened when by default Britain accepted the accession state migrants. Ireland took in more people per head than any other country since the Second World War. Yet, no mention in the Irish media at the time. Complete silence. Says a lot.
Once Britain leaves, the Republic of Ireland will have its most serious crisis to date and it is not economic. Policing borders of a non Euro state as defined by the Good Friday Agreement against its own citizens will cost many lives.
Since when do the views of a motley lot of NCCA union reps trump individual boards of managements and the wishes of parents? The NCCA don’t really have any views at all – they just adapt their message according to union policy, what is politically expedient at any given time and what is advantageous to the union subscriber base. That there might be a rigorous intellectual underpinning (i.e. a Christian education) to the teaching of children is an idea that scares the hell out of them (and part of the reason they ended up like they did).
Anyway, the only thing worse than a work man who thinks he knows better than a tradesman is a bunch of cosseted public payroll twits who have convinced themselves that they (and only they) know what’s best. A collective that Truly Believes that the only absolute in this world is relative. Middle-aged, recreational union participants are bitter that life didn’t quite work out as planned and are intent on bringing everyone down to least common denominator level (advanced maths class) because they resent the achievements of others. They confuse leaving a mark in the world with “jazzing up” the work of others, accidentally chipping the head off the master craftsman’s statue, not liking the result, and walking away with a pre-95 pension. “At least we tried” they comfort themselves with. Anyway, this “NCCA” organisation consists of a very dangerous blend of power-hungry pole climbers (with a fondness for the public payroll, an odd fascination for supporting gays getting “married”, sex paraphernalia in schools and LGBTQ* programmes aimed at 11 year-olds) that parents ought to take great care at protecting vulnerable minds from.
Given the quality of student entering 3rd level today’s institutions, it’s clear the NCCA’s “about” strategy is working. Teaching “about” spelling and grammar is working. Teaching “about” maths (especially calculus without integration) is working. Same for teaching “about” the Irish language (which very few can speak even though it’s compulsory). If they are going to impose an anti- common sense and anti-intellectual central diktat that *all* schools *must* (a teacher’s favourite word) teach “about” religion, is it really that surprising if kids turn up to granny’s funeral not knowing what a Hail Mary is and totally confused about why some folks say “and also with you” and others “and with your spirit”? Because that’s the practical reality of hair-brained, feminist-inspired clap-trap masquerading as “research” into education.
Yawn. Didn’t read any of that.
You should read it.
It’s very entertaining.
Don’t answer it though.
Please don’t answer it.
Here’s the TL;DR for you:
Minister recieves a brain fart from the NCCA, stands in front of a room, waffles and waves her hands about. Everyone thinks she’s great. Irish Times says she’s great. Becomes policy.
Get your rosary beads from around kids’ necks. Do it in your own time.
Ever considered that learning a Hail Holy Queen prayer or learning about a few saints might be good for kids? Or listening to a few parables from a young nun or priest followed by a q&a? That parents might want their kids to inherit what they benefitted greatly from in their hour of great need, moments of great joy or periods of great questioning? That there may be something much greater than the NCCA and The State? Something that infinitely transcends? Now that’s an idea that would scare the bejaysus out of a mediocrity rooted in ignorance and smug in the knowledge that the bills will be paid by the taxpayer regardless of how many times they screw up.
Nah I did enough of that in school. Horrible stuff.
*yawn. ditto
Of the many things that Catholicism has given us, ABM (some good, some bad, some horrendously evil), “rigorous intellectual underpinning” doesn’t come into it at all. Catholicism stifles rather than promotes intellectualism. Unquestioning superstition isn’t exactly intellectual, is it?
@ahyeah;
re: rigorous intellectual underpinning
I haven’t snorted tea backwards in a long time.
-Give the man his dues. He’s hilarious.
There’s nothing intellectually rigorous about RCC teaching. It’s the opposite. But you haven’t broken from that ABM, so you don’t see it, because you are stifled by it.
Let this one go Clampers.
The fish that jumps on a hook isn’t worth catching.
How is the daily star still a thing?
It’s the paper of record for the living dead.
I guess it’s much cheaper for the brave Tara Street right-on feminists and feminist enablers to simply mock christians instead. I wish the Irish Times would do us all a favour and actually publish some anti-muslim cartoons instead of just talking about how “brave” others are about insulting people’s religion. But given the cost of 24-hour security men, that a man might have to come and dispose of a bomb and the cost of bomb repairs to their big glass building on Tara Street, I don’t think the 50+ Saturday morning latte brigade would be willing to pay the extra euro to read about someone’s public abortion confession or the experiences of a fully grown man in a dress sharing his “street harassment” story or an interview with a local scientist with a machine that can look inside “septic tanks” full of dead babies that were secretly put there by evil nuns under the cloak of darkness.
Oh dear…
There’s two of them now.
Always two there are… a Master and an Apprentice.
May the farce be with us.
Well they won’t use contraception
Don’t think I read that bit properly
Partners of GRA heads getting bonuses ? In the IT
Am I right?
Someone read it out ta me there
Please
€200 for partners and spouses by general consensus recognising support and esteem etc.
“The officials have been paying their partners a bonus from the organisation’s funds for at least five years.
The payments, which now total at least €30,000, were not known to the rank-and-file members of the force before now.”
I shouldn’t ah’ asked
Tl; dr
https://vimeo.com/56659971
As someone commented here before, even in Italy the State-run schools do not teach religion in school. There are classes held an hour before or after the school day, and it does not interfere with the education of the children. Those with no religious beliefs simply don’t attend. It all seems to make a lot of sense, and everyone is happy.
This should really be the case, regardless of creed, be it Catholic, Buddhist or Pastafarian.
+1
Is religion still a thing?
Is brevity appreciated?
Just.
+1
Religious types do it to themselves
If Religion is still a thing I follow the weird guy….what’s his name?
-The one nobody talks about.
What WAS his name?
He was in ‘The Trinity’.
Oh yeah…
God The Holy Ghost.
Or ‘The Spirit’, as I like to call him.
-At least He admits he doesn’t exist.
Not a lot of men can do that.
Dear BS,
I somehow managed to edit my comment AFTER it went into moderation.
Now I’m double-posting.
I only added a line.
Choose one comment. delete the earlier one.
Stop making me look stupid, or I’ll start triple-posting, quadruple-posting….
(only joking. ;-) )
Oh, you already did it.
That’s super.
Yiz are great lads altogether.
It was merely a glimp in the matrok, as the nerds would say..
I love the nerds. They make me feel normal because they’re so weird.
A worldwide ban on the worship of false Gods (ie. all Gods), & religious undertones, overtones, or tones in general would be very welcome.
Communion? Yup, that needs to be ditched too. It tastes no different to ice cream wafers anyway. Get rid of baptism, & confirmation while we’re at it.
Sure, her faith is all your granny has, but face it, she’s getting on now & the world is changing. Religion is bad, and has always been responsible for the my God is better than your God, disagree & I’ll kill you carry on in the world.
But shut up about all that for a minute.
A new ‘paper’ has appeared above.
-It calls itself ‘The Times’ Ireland Edition (sic)
-It says, and I quote…
‘Men used dark net ‘like E-Bay’ to sell LSD.’(sic)
Is there another way, because I’d like to buy some LSD. I tried E-Bay.
Is this another Star Wars promotion?
I’m getting sick of it.
All that religion stuff should be replaced by lessons on evolution. It has happened, whether you like it or not.
“Politically correct universities are killing free speech”
No comment on this because the typical right-on Broadsheet poster knows this is true.
Are you annoyed people might be agreeing with you?
Daft.
What was it the Wobblies called Jesus – Jerusalem Slim, reckoning that he was a radical.
International New York Times: Has Europe reached the breaking point?
In Ireland this happened when by default Britain accepted the accession state migrants. Ireland took in more people per head than any other country since the Second World War. Yet, no mention in the Irish media at the time. Complete silence. Says a lot.
Once Britain leaves, the Republic of Ireland will have its most serious crisis to date and it is not economic. Policing borders of a non Euro state as defined by the Good Friday Agreement against its own citizens will cost many lives.