Fookin around. Didn’t follow the case. No idea what it was about. Delete away.
dav
thank fook the laws of liable don’t apply to you @yelp (and I’ve cursed in the hope somebody will do the necessary with this thread)
SOQ
Council elections across UK today- the first opportunity for the public to have their say since Brexit. How much of an impact that will have at a local level remains to be seen but all indications are that the Tories are in for a very bad result.
bisted
…why would anyone in the UK bother voting in a representative election when their will which was expressed in a direct election is being ignored?
SOQ
True, especially in Scotland and NI. It will be interesting to see if the DUP votes goes up or down.
eoin
Locals in NI and England only. Not Wales and Scotland.
ReproBertie
How is their will being ignored? The British government has spent the last 2 and a bit years doing nothing but trying it implement their will. Turns out it was a bit more complicated than just saying “we’re off.”
Helen of Moy
UK have already left the EU. (Changed the passports).
Fake News is trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
Rob_G
I can’t decide if you’re a troll, or literally that big of a dose…
bisted
…’we’re off’ seems to be closest to what the UK voted for…
ReproBertie
According to who?
bisted
…according to the 17.4million people in the UK who voted to leave the EU…
ReproBertie
I didn’t realise you had taken the time to ask them what they meant when they voted leave.
Tell me, when you asked them did they say they want the shutting down of all flights to and from the EU?
bisted
…I don’t believe those questions were on the ballot paper…just…do you wish to leave or remain in the EU…regardless of the rationale a clear majority voted to leave but that outcome is being ignored…my original point was why should people bother voting when democratic wishes may be ignored by people that are represtatively elected to implement the democratic will…
ReproBertie
That outcome is not being ignored. As I said, it turns out it was a bit more complicated than just saying “we’re off”. The flights is just a simple example of how it’s a bit more complicated. Pretending that they can just leave and ignore all the issues around leaving is pointless.
jusayinlike
The utter state of The Daily Star.
Rich Uncle Skeleton
We must get you to send on a list of things that are believable and things that are unbelievable.
Daisy Chainsaw
Top of the list of unbelievable things is The Daily Star.
Spaghetti Hoop
Even though I’ve developed a tabloid-avoidance skill, is it time do you think to request their removal from the daily papers slot? They are causing a lot of grief around here what with murder trials, bad pun headlines, unforgivable photoshopping and unwelcome cleavages.
GiggidyGoo
Distinct absence of any front page reporting of FGs foray into Cork yesterday. Cancelled Blackrock Castle at the last minute as a venue when they realized they needed to ditch their Posh Boy image. Many groups disrupted the planned media photo ops. Eventually the mask slipped when the usual FG. type couldn’t contain his blueshirt upbringing with the usual FG type ‘have you a job, are you a sponger, are you on the dole”
Varadkar in the unenviable position of possibly being the first sitting taoiseach that fails to be re-elected. Coveney plays the long game.
Rob_G
It happened relatively late in the day, I understand.
“have you a job, are you a sponger, are you on the dole”
– well, if the shoe fits…
GiggidyGoo
So now FG aren’t happy with raiding your savings and assets after you die, they now want to raid your body after death, but also while alive?
Report by RTE on Harris’’ Vampire Bill
‘The bill includes provision for the removal, donation and use of organs and tissues from deceased and living people for the purpose of transplantation.’
And what’s more, you’re to be automatically ‘opted in’. Think about that, when you’re procreating. Because 20 years from that procreation you, or what you produce, won’t be getting yearly reminders about opting out.
Janet, I ate my avatar
I think in France you are considered accepting use of organs after death for transplant unless you go along to opt out already, my reaction was why would I care after I’m dead and it helps others, saves me getting that doner card I never get around to,
what am I missing
eoin
+ 1
In Ireland today, pop in to any chemists, pick up the donor card, register it in a couple of minutes and keep it in your wallet. Did it after Orla Tinsley had to get those transplants, I disagree with the the state paying for Orkambi but the least we can do is help with our organs.
GiggidyGoo
I have an organ donation card. No problem donating. However, the State should not own your body and organs, ever.
Helen of Moy
You realise this gives so called “medical professionals” consent to take your organs before you’re actually dead?
The bill has not been published yet and the only mention of consent in the report on the bill is for deceased donors.
GiggidyGoo
“from deceased and living people”
Janet, I ate my avatar
are they referring to life support there ?
bisted
…with the evidence emerging about colleges using corpses from mother and baby homes…trials by pharma companies on children held in church run/government funded institutions…I wouldn’t trust FFGers to legislate for ‘compulsory’ healthcare…
Rob_G
+1 Janet
This is a great measure that will save lives, and should have been introduced years ago.
Helen of Moy
So they can harvest organs from not dead people?
Charming.
Janet, I ate my avatar
yeah I’d like to understand what they mean by living,
Helen of Moy
It means you can be forced to donate your spleen to a blueshirt.
Otis Blue
That’s because they’d have no use for a heart.
Rob_G
When you are on life support you are alive; I am not sure it’s possible to harvest organs any other way.
Your link is from some sort of a religious website as opposed to a medical one, so I would take their editorialising with a pinch of salt.
The Old Boy
Most organ donations are from people who are brain stem dead but kept artificially alive by means of life support machinery up to the point the organs are removed.
Janet, I ate my avatar
thanks Old Boy
ReproBertie
The very first line in the RTÉ report that Giggidy is selectively quoting is “Proposed legislation to provide an opt-out system of consent for deceased organ donation is to be published.”
Note the “deceased organ donation” in that line.
Donation from living donors is not rare and, while we won’t know for sure until the general scheme is published later today, I would presume the bill is covering the legalities around the likes of liver tissue or kidney donation.
A blog with two typo’s in the first sentence? Well that certainly seems like scientific evidence.
Rob_G
Another great and reputable website, popular tags on which include:
ALIEN AGENDA, ALIEN DISCLOSURE, ALIENS, REPTILIANS, ANCIENT ALIENS, ANTARCTICA, CLONED HUMANS, CLONES, CLONING CENTER, DONALD MARSHALL, DOUBLES, ORGANIC ROBOTOIDS, VRIL, VRIL DRONING, CELEBRITY CLONES
Helen of Moy
Hey you want to donate your organs go right ahead.
Remember: you don’t have to be dead first. In fact, they’d prefer if you weren’t and have a made-up condition just for you: “BRAIN DEAD”!
ReproBertie
Why do you choose to believe and spread this nonsense Helen? What is it about organ donation that you’re so against?
Helen of Moy
The harvesting of Organs from people who are not dead is most objectionable. As is the idea of letting people die in order to harvest their organs.
But you’re ok with this are you?
Tell us why this vampire medicine should be encouraged.
millie st murderlark
Vampire medicine.
And you wonder why no one takes what you say seriously? Mr Preposterous should pay you a wage for the entertainment you provide.
Janet, I ate my avatar
all I hear is sensationalist claptrap
millie st murderlark
And unadulterated nonsense.
But then, I would say that, being a lizard person, myself.
Janet, I ate my avatar
blinks slowly and catches fly
ReproBertie
But nobody is harvesting organs from living people. The only sources you have for this claim are blogs which are, to be polite, far from reputable. So why do you choose to believe these sources?
Nigel
Helen you’re living proof that the condition of brain dead is not made up.
Mickey Twopints
I’ve carried a donor card for decades now. My new driving licence has code 115 on the back (by choice). At this stage, there’s probably not much of me of use to anyone else, but you never know.
This should always be a choice to “opt-in”, never a default setting.
The Old Boy
My understanding is that in practice, the fact that a person carries a donor card is indicative of their wishes, but that the choice is ultimately that of the deceased’s next-of-kin, whether they carried a donor card or not.
I don’t see that changing a great deal under the proposed scheme.
Lobster
Couldn’t disagree more. When the current opt in situation is reversed it still allows refusal where people feel strongly enough that their loss shouldn’t have a silver lining of saving someone else. But that’s on them. I can’t comprehend ethical arguments for objecting to this plan.
From the Irish Kidney Association
I’ll tweet a pic of it later
Nonetheless
I’ve actually donated my body to Medical Science
So they’ll have some craic with my cadaver in anatomy practicals of a Monday morning
Also left instructions to dispose of my carcass in the common grave
So lads
Ye needn’t worry about keeping an eye on De’ Zaminer or De’ Herald for my funeral notice
Or about giving me a send off
I expect a few around here
Mainly the sleepers TBF
will be happy out with that
All the best folks
eoin
Good riddance to the UK’s defence minister, from Theresa May’s letter firing him:
“In our meeting this evening, I put to you the latest information from the investigation, which provides compelling evidence suggesting your responsibility for the unauthorised disclosure.
No other credible version of events to explain this leak has been identified.”
He is a poisonous Tory who would have reignited the conflict in the North by stopping the prosecution of soldiers and policemen and others who were deemed by the PSNI and the public prosecution services to have committed prosecutable crimes.
Williamson also penned an article in the Scottish press in the early 2000s which boasted about soldiers using mock executions and other tortures to extract information from captives.
I hope he’s now prosecuted for breaking the UK’s official secrets laws. Good riddance.
eoin
Hmmm, is it just me or has INM suspended its “regulatory news” section of its website
48 hours after the deal with Mediahuis was announced, and the smoke is beginning to clear, what are we left with? Denis O’Brien and Dermot Desmond have agreed to sell their 45% stake, but negotiations about their sale must have been ongoing for months. The stock market filings say they’re being paid 10.5c a share but knowing at least one of these gentlemen, are there other terms, written or otherwise, with the deal?
Beyond the two boyos, the board has recommended the deal, but look at the board and their tenures and past support for DOB. I wonder what former CEO Robert Pitt would have thought of the 10.5c offer, if he hadn’t blown the whistle and departed with a €2m pay-off.
Will the other shareholders now fall in line with the two boyos and agree to sell a company with €25m annual profit, €80m cash pile for €146m?
eoin
Wanna buy shares in Dermot Desmond’s other Irish listed business, Datalex?
Well, you CAN’T.
Share dealings are suspended after the company failed to publish accounts in the wake of accounting irregularities which have seen the share price collapse by 85%, the chief finance officer and chairman have already resigned, and this morning, the CEO has resigned with immediate effect. Dermot is said to own 30% of Datalex and is bailing the company out with millions of loans (at 10% interest rate, were banks not interested?).
We’ll shortly have the quarterly accounts for Dermot’s Latvian bank which has seen its business decimated after a crack down on money laundering and tax shenanigans..
INM, Datalex, Rietumu – is there a bit of a pattern emerging?
f_lawless
An informed reading of events in Venezuela and why the military coup plans quickly went off the rails . https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/venezuela-guaidó-got-snookered-white-house-starts-beating-war-drums.html
“There are signs though that the government of President Nicolas Maduro set a trap. Several people in the top echelon of the Venezuelan government gave false promises that they would join the U.S. proxy side. They snookered Guaidó into launching his coup to let him fail..
Guaidó and his backers in the Trump administration . launched a coup attempt that fell apart within a few hours as no one changed sides. All their blustering has now been deflated. Guaidó has lost his credibility. Washington may still support him but in Caracas there is likely no one left who believes in him..”
johnny
-while experiencing vicariously a touch the orient this morning over coffee,this piece on the NI punk scene in the 70’s vaguely or mildly interested me.
-The Outcasts kick off their tour of Japan this evening.
“I think the band is going to be in for a big surprise here as well, as it is definitely more well-known in Japan than, say, in the U.S. and is definitely regarded as legendary among the ’70s punk fans here,” says McNellie.
As to why that era in the late 1970s was a golden age for punk in Northern Ireland, Cowan thinks being cut off from everywhere else had a huge impact on sound and attitude.
“No bands ever came to Belfast, except maybe for The Clash a couple of times,” he says. “We developed our own sound. The whole scene was different. Even in Belfast the scene was different. And I think because of the ‘troubles’ you felt more like a family with the other bands.”
I think she did it. IMO.
Wow! What did you see that the cops didn’t, Detectiv Yep?
The facts.
Which facts, exactly, might they be..?
thank fook the laws of liable don’t apply to you @yelp
Don’t think they review comments, dav.
Fookin around. Didn’t follow the case. No idea what it was about. Delete away.
thank fook the laws of liable don’t apply to you @yelp (and I’ve cursed in the hope somebody will do the necessary with this thread)
Council elections across UK today- the first opportunity for the public to have their say since Brexit. How much of an impact that will have at a local level remains to be seen but all indications are that the Tories are in for a very bad result.
…why would anyone in the UK bother voting in a representative election when their will which was expressed in a direct election is being ignored?
True, especially in Scotland and NI. It will be interesting to see if the DUP votes goes up or down.
Locals in NI and England only. Not Wales and Scotland.
How is their will being ignored? The British government has spent the last 2 and a bit years doing nothing but trying it implement their will. Turns out it was a bit more complicated than just saying “we’re off.”
UK have already left the EU. (Changed the passports).
Fake News is trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
I can’t decide if you’re a troll, or literally that big of a dose…
…’we’re off’ seems to be closest to what the UK voted for…
According to who?
…according to the 17.4million people in the UK who voted to leave the EU…
I didn’t realise you had taken the time to ask them what they meant when they voted leave.
Tell me, when you asked them did they say they want the shutting down of all flights to and from the EU?
…I don’t believe those questions were on the ballot paper…just…do you wish to leave or remain in the EU…regardless of the rationale a clear majority voted to leave but that outcome is being ignored…my original point was why should people bother voting when democratic wishes may be ignored by people that are represtatively elected to implement the democratic will…
That outcome is not being ignored. As I said, it turns out it was a bit more complicated than just saying “we’re off”. The flights is just a simple example of how it’s a bit more complicated. Pretending that they can just leave and ignore all the issues around leaving is pointless.
The utter state of The Daily Star.
We must get you to send on a list of things that are believable and things that are unbelievable.
Top of the list of unbelievable things is The Daily Star.
Even though I’ve developed a tabloid-avoidance skill, is it time do you think to request their removal from the daily papers slot? They are causing a lot of grief around here what with murder trials, bad pun headlines, unforgivable photoshopping and unwelcome cleavages.
Distinct absence of any front page reporting of FGs foray into Cork yesterday. Cancelled Blackrock Castle at the last minute as a venue when they realized they needed to ditch their Posh Boy image. Many groups disrupted the planned media photo ops. Eventually the mask slipped when the usual FG. type couldn’t contain his blueshirt upbringing with the usual FG type ‘have you a job, are you a sponger, are you on the dole”
Varadkar in the unenviable position of possibly being the first sitting taoiseach that fails to be re-elected. Coveney plays the long game.
It happened relatively late in the day, I understand.
“have you a job, are you a sponger, are you on the dole”
– well, if the shoe fits…
So now FG aren’t happy with raiding your savings and assets after you die, they now want to raid your body after death, but also while alive?
Report by RTE on Harris’’ Vampire Bill
‘The bill includes provision for the removal, donation and use of organs and tissues from deceased and living people for the purpose of transplantation.’
And what’s more, you’re to be automatically ‘opted in’. Think about that, when you’re procreating. Because 20 years from that procreation you, or what you produce, won’t be getting yearly reminders about opting out.
I think in France you are considered accepting use of organs after death for transplant unless you go along to opt out already, my reaction was why would I care after I’m dead and it helps others, saves me getting that doner card I never get around to,
what am I missing
+ 1
In Ireland today, pop in to any chemists, pick up the donor card, register it in a couple of minutes and keep it in your wallet. Did it after Orla Tinsley had to get those transplants, I disagree with the the state paying for Orkambi but the least we can do is help with our organs.
I have an organ donation card. No problem donating. However, the State should not own your body and organs, ever.
You realise this gives so called “medical professionals” consent to take your organs before you’re actually dead?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/melbourne-doctor-most-donors-still-alive-when-organs-are-removed
The bill has not been published yet and the only mention of consent in the report on the bill is for deceased donors.
“from deceased and living people”
are they referring to life support there ?
…with the evidence emerging about colleges using corpses from mother and baby homes…trials by pharma companies on children held in church run/government funded institutions…I wouldn’t trust FFGers to legislate for ‘compulsory’ healthcare…
+1 Janet
This is a great measure that will save lives, and should have been introduced years ago.
So they can harvest organs from not dead people?
Charming.
yeah I’d like to understand what they mean by living,
It means you can be forced to donate your spleen to a blueshirt.
That’s because they’d have no use for a heart.
When you are on life support you are alive; I am not sure it’s possible to harvest organs any other way.
Your link is from some sort of a religious website as opposed to a medical one, so I would take their editorialising with a pinch of salt.
Most organ donations are from people who are brain stem dead but kept artificially alive by means of life support machinery up to the point the organs are removed.
thanks Old Boy
The very first line in the RTÉ report that Giggidy is selectively quoting is “Proposed legislation to provide an opt-out system of consent for deceased organ donation is to be published.”
Note the “deceased organ donation” in that line.
Donation from living donors is not rare and, while we won’t know for sure until the general scheme is published later today, I would presume the bill is covering the legalities around the likes of liver tissue or kidney donation.
http://www.auricmedia.net/organ-donors-alive-organs-harvested/
A blog with two typo’s in the first sentence? Well that certainly seems like scientific evidence.
Another great and reputable website, popular tags on which include:
ALIEN AGENDA, ALIEN DISCLOSURE, ALIENS, REPTILIANS, ANCIENT ALIENS, ANTARCTICA, CLONED HUMANS, CLONES, CLONING CENTER, DONALD MARSHALL, DOUBLES, ORGANIC ROBOTOIDS, VRIL, VRIL DRONING, CELEBRITY CLONES
Hey you want to donate your organs go right ahead.
Remember: you don’t have to be dead first. In fact, they’d prefer if you weren’t and have a made-up condition just for you: “BRAIN DEAD”!
Why do you choose to believe and spread this nonsense Helen? What is it about organ donation that you’re so against?
The harvesting of Organs from people who are not dead is most objectionable. As is the idea of letting people die in order to harvest their organs.
But you’re ok with this are you?
Tell us why this vampire medicine should be encouraged.
Vampire medicine.
And you wonder why no one takes what you say seriously? Mr Preposterous should pay you a wage for the entertainment you provide.
all I hear is sensationalist claptrap
And unadulterated nonsense.
But then, I would say that, being a lizard person, myself.
blinks slowly and catches fly
But nobody is harvesting organs from living people. The only sources you have for this claim are blogs which are, to be polite, far from reputable. So why do you choose to believe these sources?
Helen you’re living proof that the condition of brain dead is not made up.
I’ve carried a donor card for decades now. My new driving licence has code 115 on the back (by choice). At this stage, there’s probably not much of me of use to anyone else, but you never know.
This should always be a choice to “opt-in”, never a default setting.
My understanding is that in practice, the fact that a person carries a donor card is indicative of their wishes, but that the choice is ultimately that of the deceased’s next-of-kin, whether they carried a donor card or not.
I don’t see that changing a great deal under the proposed scheme.
Couldn’t disagree more. When the current opt in situation is reversed it still allows refusal where people feel strongly enough that their loss shouldn’t have a silver lining of saving someone else. But that’s on them. I can’t comprehend ethical arguments for objecting to this plan.
My donor card is dated 1983
Believe it or not
From the Irish Kidney Association
I’ll tweet a pic of it later
Nonetheless
I’ve actually donated my body to Medical Science
So they’ll have some craic with my cadaver in anatomy practicals of a Monday morning
Also left instructions to dispose of my carcass in the common grave
So lads
Ye needn’t worry about keeping an eye on De’ Zaminer or De’ Herald for my funeral notice
Or about giving me a send off
I expect a few around here
Mainly the sleepers TBF
will be happy out with that
All the best folks
Good riddance to the UK’s defence minister, from Theresa May’s letter firing him:
“In our meeting this evening, I put to you the latest information from the investigation, which provides compelling evidence suggesting your responsibility for the unauthorised disclosure.
No other credible version of events to explain this leak has been identified.”
He is a poisonous Tory who would have reignited the conflict in the North by stopping the prosecution of soldiers and policemen and others who were deemed by the PSNI and the public prosecution services to have committed prosecutable crimes.
Williamson also penned an article in the Scottish press in the early 2000s which boasted about soldiers using mock executions and other tortures to extract information from captives.
I hope he’s now prosecuted for breaking the UK’s official secrets laws. Good riddance.
Hmmm, is it just me or has INM suspended its “regulatory news” section of its website
https://www.inmplc.com/investor-relations/regulatory-news
It’s empty!
48 hours after the deal with Mediahuis was announced, and the smoke is beginning to clear, what are we left with? Denis O’Brien and Dermot Desmond have agreed to sell their 45% stake, but negotiations about their sale must have been ongoing for months. The stock market filings say they’re being paid 10.5c a share but knowing at least one of these gentlemen, are there other terms, written or otherwise, with the deal?
Beyond the two boyos, the board has recommended the deal, but look at the board and their tenures and past support for DOB. I wonder what former CEO Robert Pitt would have thought of the 10.5c offer, if he hadn’t blown the whistle and departed with a €2m pay-off.
Will the other shareholders now fall in line with the two boyos and agree to sell a company with €25m annual profit, €80m cash pile for €146m?
Wanna buy shares in Dermot Desmond’s other Irish listed business, Datalex?
Well, you CAN’T.
Share dealings are suspended after the company failed to publish accounts in the wake of accounting irregularities which have seen the share price collapse by 85%, the chief finance officer and chairman have already resigned, and this morning, the CEO has resigned with immediate effect. Dermot is said to own 30% of Datalex and is bailing the company out with millions of loans (at 10% interest rate, were banks not interested?).
We’ll shortly have the quarterly accounts for Dermot’s Latvian bank which has seen its business decimated after a crack down on money laundering and tax shenanigans..
INM, Datalex, Rietumu – is there a bit of a pattern emerging?
An informed reading of events in Venezuela and why the military coup plans quickly went off the rails .
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/venezuela-guaidó-got-snookered-white-house-starts-beating-war-drums.html
“There are signs though that the government of President Nicolas Maduro set a trap. Several people in the top echelon of the Venezuelan government gave false promises that they would join the U.S. proxy side. They snookered Guaidó into launching his coup to let him fail..
Guaidó and his backers in the Trump administration . launched a coup attempt that fell apart within a few hours as no one changed sides. All their blustering has now been deflated. Guaidó has lost his credibility. Washington may still support him but in Caracas there is likely no one left who believes in him..”
-while experiencing vicariously a touch the orient this morning over coffee,this piece on the NI punk scene in the 70’s vaguely or mildly interested me.
-The Outcasts kick off their tour of Japan this evening.
“I think the band is going to be in for a big surprise here as well, as it is definitely more well-known in Japan than, say, in the U.S. and is definitely regarded as legendary among the ’70s punk fans here,” says McNellie.
As to why that era in the late 1970s was a golden age for punk in Northern Ireland, Cowan thinks being cut off from everywhere else had a huge impact on sound and attitude.
“No bands ever came to Belfast, except maybe for The Clash a couple of times,” he says. “We developed our own sound. The whole scene was different. Even in Belfast the scene was different. And I think because of the ‘troubles’ you felt more like a family with the other bands.”
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2019/05/01/music/outcasts-forty-years-debut-japan-finally-beckons/#.XMrKRS-ZM3k
ps-the real reason i was reading it was this profile on anime master Hayao Miyazaki,but some the oul fellas on here may remember another crap irish band, thats ‘big’ in Japan.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2019/04/19/films/hayao-miyazaki-japans-celebrated-animator/#.XMrLWS-ZM3k