I replied I felt we had an ethical responsibility to report potential side effects of medicines to protect the public. He still didn’t want it reported. I asked him to think about it. Spoke to him next day. He said to report it, but not to use her name. 2/5
— HSE Covid Consultant (@CovidHse) February 1, 2022
I said I couldn’t report it without using her name. He said he would only agree to report it if it was anonymous. I said I couldn’t report it that way. He was so adamant that the stroke was the booster’s fault, I couldn’t understand the reluctance to report. Then it came out. 3/5
— HSE Covid Consultant (@CovidHse) February 1, 2022
We now appear to live in a country where an injured party is terrified to report that injury for fear of being victimised by the state. 5/5
— HSE Covid Consultant (@CovidHse) February 1, 2022
Anyone?
Why did the poster state that the name was required? (it’s not required for reporting)
Surely they need someway of verifying these reports- or is that done through the doctor?
Interesting fact about the US VAERS system. The spin was that anyone could make a VAERS report but it turns out that is not the case. Anyone can make an entry, but it will not appear on the site until it has been verified.
Similar here. Reports go through HPRA, who then forward “reviewed” cases to Eudravigilence.
There are two contradictory statements there; do the reports ‘need to be verified’ or is verification spin?
The key downside of all of these databases is that there is no baseline to compare against, there’s no denominator, so statistical analysis is not terribly informative. Removing duplicates and ‘verification’ procedures can tidy things up a bit but not permit proper quantitative analyses. That’s why there’s so much work done using the Israel database and the US insurance database such Kaiser Permanente.
The question was in relation to the Irish system alick- the spin pertaining to the US VAERS.
Correct, but the terminology HPRA use is that they “carefully review” reports, not “verify” them, which would imply even more leeway and ambiguity in Ireland than VAERS in deciding what reports are actually forwarded as a vaccine adverse events. We just don’t really know.
The problem is, SOQ, that US hospitals are so utterly corrupted, even before this current wave of criminality engulfed them, that by the time a report is ready to be submitted it is likely to be almost entirely fictitious.
If a hospital is being paid extra for Covid deaths, they will be maximised by whatever means possible & if the organisation paying these bribes indicates a reluctance to receive adverse injection reports, you can bet that influences those hospitals, also.
I don’t like to use anecdotal evidence but the two people closest to me who got quaxxed both had side-effects, a loss of taste & smell in one case & vicious-looking red markings across the face in another. Neither bothered to report, both just decided to refuse boosters. How many more of those refusing boosters have similar stories?
The Venerable Virgin of Virginia
It is required for reporting, and a whole lot more:
https://www.hpra.ie/homepage/about-us/report-an-issue/covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reaction
Reports are compiled by HPRA on a monthly basis. Individual (anonymised) report details are only available when HPRA forward then to Eudravigilence database (https://www.adrreports.eu/en/eudravigilance.html)
It is unknown whether HPRA verify (or filter) every entered reported event, or whether there is a backlog waiting to be processed and forwarded to Eudravigilence. The process after submission is opaque.
Aha, interesting that the shoddy HPRA system requires a name to report, a spot check of some of the other reporting systems in Europe both country level and manufacturers suggests that this is an outlier, initials are asked for everywhere else and a specific name ‘if available’. I have a bit more symathy for the tweeter, and another reminder that I’m glad I don’t live in Ireland.
There’s nothing shoddy about it, it stops duplicate entry’s from different professionals. Glad I don’t live where you do.
Are Broadsheet confident that this account is indeed run by a ‘HSE Covid Consultant’ or are they happy to legitimise any old nonsense from Twitter by blindly reposting it without carrying out any kind of due diligence?
Did you see the fake ‘Trudeau’ tweet yesterday?
I didn’t, no.
There was the post last week containing a tweet from an account that has ‘parody’ in the profile but they missed that and pushed it as being serious.
I’m not going to lie and claim I never fell foul of some Twitter bullsh*t but I don’t have the platform that Broadsheet does!
I didn’t, no.
There was the post last week containing a tweet from an account that has ‘parody’ in the profile but they missed that and pushed it as being serious.
I’m not going to lie and claim I never fell foul of some Twitter rubbish but I don’t have the platform that Broadsheet does!
Edit to add – saw the post in question, was made from the same account (‘Nick Kelly’) who fell for the parody tweet.
And what good are parody tweets when you have stuff like this being posted (from yesterday).
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1488660359422648320
“Today in the House, Members of Parliament unanimously condemned the antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, homophobia, and transphobia that we’ve seen on display in Ottawa over the past number of days. Together, let’s keep working to make Canada more inclusive.”
It’s beyond parody.
That account is one that has oft been reported to Twitter, for months it has been accused by numerous other Twitter users of being run by an imposter/fake. The fact that the HSE doesn’t have any ‘Covid consultants’ might be relevant.
definitely not a dubs supporter either..
They’re antivaxx. That’s all BS requires to post bs these days. That poster is no more a consultant than my dog is!
I’m sure that’s not actually the case to be fair.
Some clarity on what, if any, guidelines Broadsheet follows when it comes to posting content from anonymous Twitter accounts would be nice though.
Are you confident that the government are telling you the truth? This is a post on a website, trust in the competence & truthfulness of your government, these days, is a matter of life & death, which far too many have paid the ultimate price for misjudging.
Government & health services told outrageous lies about the safety & efficacy of the gene therapies, they were lies then, because there was no evidence to support such assertions & they are lies now, as the adverse reactions & pathetic levels of protection are laid bare.
It’s a bit late in the day, ANO, to start asking irrelevant questions about unimportant matters, when you were so utterly naive when important matters were on the table.
The spread, deliberate or otherwise, of misinformation online is a pretty serious matter.
Person has completely irrational fear, so what? Let’s use it as propaganda.
My wife hates spiders, must tweet – we now live in a country where women can’t go upstairs in case there’s a spider up there, state is to blame, shame on Ireland.
If the person is real (which I doubt) then it is websites like this that have whipped up the fear in the first place but spreading the idea that the HSE is out to get people.
I wouldn’t say it’s completely irrational
Lisa Shaw died of complications from the vaccine. That is fact, confirmed by a coroners report.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds
So it’s a genuine concern for some people, albeit rare.
It is completely irrational to think that doctors are going to refuse to provide care to a person who had had a stroke out of revenge for reporting a suspected side effect. Also the fact that they are telling this to Doctor makes it even less rational.
The existence of side effects doesn’t make that a rational fear.
Ah that’s fair enough. My bad. I misunderstood Broadbag’s “irrational fear” bit.
I thought he was talking about the vax in general.
Soz ;)
another fake doctor/nurse/scientist account who doesn’t even know how adverse reporting works
You’re seriously posting a fake doctor account?
Sample tweet.
“To those who think protesters against vaccine mandates & passports are nutters. I am old enough to remember the 80’s and 90’s when marchers for gay rights, legalisation of contraception and against Apartheid were seen as nutters. You owe your freedoms today to those nutters.”
Well he or she is definitely on the mark with that tweet. Activism always starts out like that and then slowly as more and more people cop on- it becomes an acceptable position to hold.
I hear he also said the sky is blue the other day. He was right about that too. So he must be legit.
Actually this is just about the name so I deleted my previous reply.
The ability of our Public Service in general & our Health Service in particular, to deal with basic clerical operations has never been a matter for conjecture, everyone knows these people couldn’t organise a wee in a toilet. Factor in consistant attempts to conceal errors & protect the guilty & I doubt if even the most craven regime clown has any trust in the lead-swinging, make-work brigade.
Who can forget Tallaght Hospital’s thousands of unopened referral letters, lying in boxes in an unused office? People died because of that but nobody was fired or even disciplined, as far as I know, because in a bureaucracy, nobody is to blame & there is zero accountability.
This mountain of adverse reports has, of course, overwhelmed these reporting systems, because no medical intervention in history has produced the tsunami of death & injuries that these gene & cell therapies have inflicted. Those designing these systems could never have forseen a situation where governments recklessly exposed so many of their citizens to such dangerous drugs.
Incompetence, however encouraged it may be in these reporting systems, will not keep the actual death toll & especially the toll of injuries, under wraps, it will continue rising until it doesn’t just exceed but dwarfs all previous medical malpractice combined, this is a disaster which will negate much of the positive impact of modern healthcare, especially when it was predicated on a Pandemic that never materialised.
The aftermath is already underway.
Soon enough, those still cheerleading this calamity might change their claim to declare that incompetence has lead to over-reporting, as they find themselves exposed as clowns & their trust in Corporate Drug-pushers is exposed as the risible idiocy it clearly is.
Have you had any adverse effects from all the vaccine you’ve been stuck with lately?
Have you ever had anything of interest to add, like ever?
…and in comes the flying monkey.
That’s a no then.
Nothing I could dumb down to your level anyway.
The fake plastic Paddy flying monkey
@ doxxy the donkey, What, you imagine your spite & malice has a modicum of intelligence? lol, now that is funny.
As I said before, they purposely select for dark triad types in the civil service – people without conscience and not too bright. And you provide the proof.
“dark triad types”? Oh dear… another paranoid antivaxx mental case, what a surprise!
BTW, how many times did you fail the exam?
She’s a good singer though, though only knows the chorus of Nobody’s Child. Loves repetition.
Another flying monkey. The organ grinder will be along soon.
Poor Maggie. Loves repetition.
The Blessed Bishop of Belturbet
Climate change? https://twitter.com/Jadorejadore22/status/1488920434129125387?s=20
https://www.change.org/p/micheal-martin-removal-of-the-domestic-covid-pass-in-ireland
It is already gone domestically.