Notice from Western Australia Police – Irish Antisocial Behaviour In Perth

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Ronan Murphy writes:

My friend living and playing some ball in Perth received this email from his local GAA club:

Hello fellow Finbarrians

The following message is not only for your perusal, but also one which you can pass on to all your fellow Irish friends here in Perth.

The WA police are extremely unhappy and appalled by the antisocial behaviour which is taking place all too often on the streets and in the pubs across Perth and its suburbs, especially in the Northbridge area [above]. Even Rental Agencies are not as willing to rent properties to Irish people here in Perth, as they are getting destroyed during parties, and being left in terrible conditions once vacated.

We have been advised, that over the next few weeks, the Perth Police will be, at random going around to all of the GAA Clubs and talking to club members, advising them of same. They want to get the message across to all Irish in Perth that what has been going on is just not acceptable, and if it continues there will be consequences. 

Police will be adopting a Zero tolerance policy for any antisocial behaviour. If individuals don’t abide by the law, and take heed of move on notices, their visas WILL firstly be investigated, before court action, meaning that deportation would be the final conclusion. This is the last thing anyone of us or our fellow Irish counterparts here in Perth want. 

This a very serious matter, and I hope that you and your friends will now be aware of the consequences should occurrences with the Police occur. Not something we are encouraging that is for sure.

Please spread the work to your fellow Irish, as this is affecting all of our reputations here not only the people who are causing the trouble.

Many Thanks for reading the above.

Regards

Linda H

President
St. Finbarrs GFC

185 thoughts on “Notice from Western Australia Police – Irish Antisocial Behaviour In Perth

  1. Daz

    … and so they learn, the shite that people get away with in Ireland, at all levels of society, will not be tolerated in a civilised society!

    1. Rob

      I think people behave a little differently when on working holidays in foreign countries than they do at home.

      1. Joe

        Nope they don’t, same behavior as you’d see here, for example outside Coppers in Dublin or CP’s in Galway. The Garda turn a blind eye here. In Perth they actually pay attention to it and try to stop it.

        1. markgdub

          The Garda turn a blind eye to the behavior of their blue coated brethern.

          Having lived in the proximity of Croke Park for a number of years, my front garden was only ever pissed in on GAA Sunday and not by Dubs fans, the football or rugby crowd.

    2. The wang

      I think it’s also true to say we exported a lot of our troublemakers who wouldn’t be able to get a job here now.

    3. robbgoblin

      This is the EXACT reason I never went to Australia- too many idiots walking around in GAA jerseys they barely ever wear at home, getting hammered and destroying stuff “cos we’re Irish like, and it’s alright/expected of us/not a big deal”. And they usually ‘read’ the Sun.

      1. BurningMan

        I’ve lived here 5 years and rarely come across people like that – it really depends on where you live/ socialise, it’s easy to avoid the backpacker/ GAA jersey brigade so don’t let it put you off visiting a wonderful country

  2. Nicholas Barron

    The Irish should just continue partying. If the Aussies don’t get it, they don’t it. So be it if a few Irish have to be deported. These are the times we live in, if the Aussies can handle a bit of Oirish, f*ck ‘em!

    Nick – Sydney

    1. Jockstrap

      When you live in someone else’s country, you respect it. I’d be glad to see someone with your attitude ushered by baton to the head, into a police van in Australia if that’s your attitude.

      We’re not Brits.

      1. Small Wonder

        Jockstrap – starts off making a good point, ruins it by descending in to racism.
        Well done. Take the rest of the week off.

        Nick – read as far as “respect it”. Otherwise don’t claim to represent me or my country.

        1. Baron Von Ricktoven

          He is right we are not Brits but maybe we could blame them. That usually works.

          1. paul m

            So do we, and its not just limited to Australia. Most recently it was a certain dublin third level insititution on the ski slopes, we’ve also had the post leaving cert trashing of various budget holiday resorts around spain and greece.

            I think you’ll find the british stereotype reputation you’re referring to is that of football hooligan, ours is just young hooligan with no respect for other people and their property because they werent taught it at home. as a nation we’re not all pr1cks on tour but there does seem to be a growing number making a bad name for the rest of us.

          2. Sheila

            I’ve heard that badly behaved Irish in Europe have been assumed to be British by the locals. The Irish in this case were not correcting them.

            I agree that British people have a bad reputation abroad. But I am guessing from the above report, the Irish are catching up and fast.

        2. robbgoblin

          Most of us are not a different race to the majority of the British you twit

    2. The wang

      Quit giving us a bad name.

      Judging my the character of a lot of people I know who couldn’t get job here it’s no surprise they are acting the goat over there too.

      Thankfully the Ozzie police take a harder line on these things, Might teach them a bit of cop on

    3. Wes

      If you’re here as a visitor, or resident, respect the host country. Sounds like you’re the type who should be deported – you’re a poor ambassador for your own country. Take your obnoxious behavour to Dubai and see how you fare!

    4. Jack

      Nick, Its people like you who give the Irish a bad name, they forget that they are NOT in the EU, they are Foreigners and as such, they cannot act the bolocks like they do in Spain or Portugal, unfortunately by the time they realize that they will be on the plane back home. I can see the old posters back to life in pubs over there ”no Dogs, no Irish, no ..”

      1. Niall

        And that would be perfectly justified, would it? As pre-judging someone’s behaviour by their passport or their accent representing anything other than the profoundest level of meatheaded retardation?

        Also, I think you’ll find that holidaymakers in Spain or Portugal are foreigners just the same.

        Honestly, some of y’all need to take a step back and ask yourselves some serious questions.

    5. well

      I’m conflicted, you deserve to be deported with that attitude but i don’t want you back in Ireland

  3. atswim

    What’s with the use of the word “Irish” on it’s own to? You wouldn’t say I’m an “Irish”.

  4. woesinger

    See – emigration, it’s not all bad. Unless the f**kers get departed back here.

    1. whattheF

      I have noticed it is a little more civil on my nights out lately. Now I know the reason.

  5. Liam Murphy

    Haha unfortunatly for the Aussie police most Irish who read this letter will just take it as some sort of medal of drunken honour!!

  6. Roger

    Eugh, this makes me cringe. It’s the same across major cities in the US every summer when some J1 students thrash neighbourhoods and give the rest of us a bad name.

    1. Jockstrap

      Usually the ‘nice’ boys and girls of South County Dublin who’ve been reared in the good times and told they can do no wrong.

      Spoiled little brats.

    2. ffintii

      Yes, my “St Mary’s” nephew went a few years back, Irish students were banned from the city because they trashed their rented accommodation as well as being drunken idiots.

        1. I really should be working

          Some Austrian resorts will not take Russian bookings so it appears you can

      1. GarPublic

        your attempt at finding a causal link between two totally unrelated events is a fruitless exercise.

        so was it just your nephew who caused that to happen all by himself? and he was a student of st.mary’s at the time, so he must have been underage?? wow, that story is so plausible i’m surprised nobody has mentioned it on tonight with vincent browne!

        (i’m going to go ahead and assume now that he was finished school a few years at that stage and hence the institution of st. mary’s had actually very little relevance on this story at all, whereas you think his attendance at this school caused him to engage in reckless behaviour years later on holidays? yes i thought so. but perhaps it is more likely that if he did act in an idiotic manner, it was probably more likely as a result of being genetically linked to someone who is as thick and petty as you)

        1. Nidge The Dealer

          +1. See also “I’m going to make up a story because I’m a disgruntled Northsider”

        2. robbgoblin

          Wow, somebody’s been studying social science. Let us not forget any confounding variables, my friends. These people could have started behaving badly BECAUSE of the country they went to. Nah, only joking.

  7. David

    This is us. This is the kind of behaviour, and the kind of cultural niche we’ve carved for ourselves. We’re beyond parody and have strayed into the realms of the obnoxious. When I criticised the beahviour of the Galway Rag week I was rounded on for being some sort of conservative prig, but the fact is that there’s a common conception that being a bit mad, a bit wild when on ‘the drink’ is downright hilarious and any misemeanour or offence carried out during that time is nothing but an entertaining story the next day.

    We’re the worst of the worst when it comes to drunken behaviour and now that we’re exporting all of these derelict w_ankmuffins, we’re having a mirror shoved in our face by appalled nations and it’s not pretty.

    1. I really should be working

      There is a diffrence between getting it out of the systme in college and continuing to act like a student when you leave.

      There is a time in life for experimentaion and debouchary and it is called College.

      1. mani

        There is a time for cutting out images and words and pasting them to cardboard and it is called Collage

    2. True Kilcockian

      The law in Kilcock treats alcohol as an aggravating factor not a mitigating factor.

      As so often where Kilcock leads Ireland follows.

    3. Niall

      You seem to be assuming that there’s some kind of unitary “us” to talk about here. Bunch of young lads acting the fool on their first serious trip away from home is standard, regardless of their nationality.

      Finding it quite telling that not one poster has raised a serious issue with the fact that this notice seems to target “the Irish”. Hard to believe that some of my friends in high level medical, engineering and other professional occupations, renting expensive apartments in quiet areas, and generally keeping arse-backwards Shackledraggerland afloat are apparently part of this.

      Hard to believe, largely because they clearly aren’t in the same category as the kind of young lads who get themselves in to trouble.

      Think it’s a reflection on enlightened shackledragger outlooks that it’s all an “Irish” problem, and of Irish self-loathing that this hasn’t seriously been questioned.

      And yes, I am aware of the irony in using the term “shackledragger” while questioning their meatheaded racism. Sauce, for the goose, sauce for the gander.

      1. David

        Ok, I think that anyone here is aware that my comment was not representative of every living Irish person.

        The fact remains that a number of Irish, large enough to be respresentative of our nationality in the country/city are effectively undertaking behaviour in Perth/Australia that is easily visible to anyone who lives here on a weekend night in any town or city in the country.

        I clearly don’t speak for everyone, I however, from experience, mean to say that there is an endemic acdceptance of beahviour and comportment in Ireland that is deemed by other countries and people to be unacceptable.

        I’m aware that there are Australians, British, American, German etc who are capable of causing trouble but the fact is, the message above concerns a group of Irish people large enough to be of a concern to local authorities.

        1. Niall

          i.e. rather than being a case of “This is us”, it’s actually a case of “this is a small number of Irish adolescents, or barely post-adolescents, engaging in behaviour that’s not atypical for their age and social profile in most developed countries, and that arguably has analagous behaviours in almost any given society in terms of assertions of independence by young males through transgressive behaviours, generally frowned upon by the mature population, being grossly simplified into an ‘Irish’ problem, with all Irish people being tacitly thus characterised … and this is fine because sure aren’t we all only a shower of mucksavages anyhow”.

          1. David

            Doing my best to make sense of what seems to be one long sentence with some heinous punctuation.

            Only adolescents behave like this? Really? So only 18/19 year olds are the cause of this? At what stage should one accept responsibility for one’s own actions?

            You clearly have never been in an Irish city and must be immune to how how many Irish people behave whether abroad or at home with the alibi of alcohol if you think the question of alcohol abuse is ‘grossly simplified’ as an Irish problem. No, it’s not only Irish, but is does happen to be a distinctive character trait of our behaviour when abroad. I’m sure the Brits, Scots, Americans and Australians do it to, but this letter isn’t about them, it’s about the Irish. And whether it’s typical behaviour or not that should not condone it as acceptable.

            The fact remains that the authorities have ‘our’ number there to an extent and as a result this could end with a perfectly reputable Irish person experiencing negative treatment either by those authorities or indeed seeking accommodation or a job.

            Bottom line – it’s not helping.

          2. Niall

            What it boils down to is that this is not “us” at all, or even slightly. The bottom line is that it’s totally unacceptable that the shackledragger authorities should turn the behaviour of a subset of the Irish community, the under-25 working holiday types, into a stereotype for all of us.

            I remember people doing the same here with the Eastern European community, “sure with their drinking and fighting, they should all be sent home”. I called bullsh!t then, and I’m calling bullsh!t now – it was more a reflection on the speakers’ idiocy, than on the communities they were disparaging.

            It’s unacceptable, and quite worrying that this kind of meatheaded, 19th century racial thinking has acquired a degree of institutional standing.

          3. Niall

            Oh, and you, sir, have clearly never been in major cities all over the world, on every continent, to see that this kind of behaviour is standard wherever you go, for that kind of age and social grouping. Even rural tribal villages have their equivalent.

            Seems to me that it’s simply a case that the Irish are filed alongside the “wogs”, “abbos”, “wops” etc., in the noble “anglo” shackledragger hall of prejudice.

      2. B Bop

        “Arse backward Shackledraggerland” -Superb Sir! And so it is- uncouth country now populated by our own uncouth drunken fools.
        Can’t abide this fine country descending into bad press.

  8. literatarian

    “should occurrences with the Police occur.”

    Someone buy this girly a thesaurus.

    I agree with the point of the letter – stop making arses out of yourselves, it’s not fair on the locals and is giving us a bad name. But what a tosspot for the way it’s written. Seems after passing third class English she decided to use every long or important sounding word she knows. Sadly she doesn’t know any of either.

    1. spucks

      you’re criticising her command of the english language and at the same time you’ve started a sentence with the word ‘but’.
      nice.

  9. Small Wonder

    This is just so embarrassing! Why do I have to be associated with these morons? Idiots dragging the rest of us down with them. Urgh!
    I avoided Irish bars when I was travelling. 1 – it’s important to sample the culture of the country you’re visiting – including their bar culture. 2 – This shite! “We’re only having the craic!” No you’re making a show of us.

    1. Tommy

      What association do you have with them unless you personally know them? They are shaming themselves and only a racist would say they are representative of a nation.

      1. Small Wonder

        Oh I agree. Racist indeed to assume we are all the same. But there is no escaping the association. The police are warning the Irish population about their behaviour. The reputation has been made and I wish it hadn’t.

        1. Tommy

          Two points.
          1- Irish people have unique racial profile.
          2- Racism is not just about race.

          1. Tommy

            yeah we’re all the same man. The human race. Forget those genetic differences between us.

          2. Jockstrap

            We don’t have a unique racial profile. We are racially identical to most Europeans.

            We have a different culture if that’s what you mean.

          3. Tommy

            We are not identical to europeans let alone the average British person. We have our own unique facial features. Are you saying that the average dna profile of a german, italian and Irish person are identical?

          4. Goatherd

            @Tommy – The word “ethnicity” captures what you are trying to say better than “race” .

        2. robbgoblin

          Finally. The amount of crud I read about “racism” when it has nothing to do with race is just unbelievable.

          + 1000000000000

  10. Jockstrap

    Rich kids with no sense of responsibility for their actions because Daddy always knew the judge.

    Arrest them. Deport them.

    1. Hector Ramirez

      Not just rich kids, throughout a wide range of Irish society sadly and thusly our emmigrants

    2. Horatio Cornswoggle

      Rich kids don’t play bogger ball, the email was obviously aimed at the lower to middle class country folk, probably IT rather than University graduates or tradespeople

          1. maria

            Oh please I know people on both teams and they range from physiotherapists, doctors, teachers, nutritionists etc. Yes believe it or not the lower – middle class country folk made it all the way to university – the same universities arrogant folk like you would have attended..

    3. Joe

      god ur a tad out of touch aren’t ya, do ya not realise that most people that have emigrated as out of work trades people.

      me thinks perhaps you are a rich kid

    4. NdLZ

      I think most of the problems …. are with the country LADS to be honest.
      Seeing as the nature of the mail was from a GAA club, hate to generalise… but deffo cultchie fools who acted like this when i was there… like uit was the first time out of their cage!!

      1. B Bop

        “Shit shovelling, cabbage eating, bog ball playing Mucksavages.”
        Shackledragger land the perfect place for them!!
        Ah in jest though -absolutely the police should be involved & ditto here.

    5. Spoilt Little South Country Dublin Brat

      Wouldn’t Daddy get those little rich kids a job in Ireland if he has such friends in high places? Why would they need to emigrate when they have their house in Foxrock, Golf GTi and job all provided for buy a rich Daddy?

      Stellar logic there.

      Come off it, you ridiculous man. Stop blaming all that’s bad in life on those posh D4 teenagers who stole all your money and wear sunglasses in winter.

  11. Dazzler

    A few giving the rest a bad name… having seen some Ozzies in action over the years the best word that described some of their behaviour was “ferral”.
    That said, I’ve met some top class folk too.
    Unfortunate for the average craic loving Paddys abroad

  12. Orieldude

    Is this the same Australia whose backpacking intellectual elite contribute so handsomely to nightlife in resorts up and down the Mediterranean annually?

      1. Kolmo

        What I am referring to are the ignorant apes that have no sense of others, obnoxious oikes of all classes and backrounds – apologies to all actual zoolologically classed catarhine primates that may be reading this, but you know what I mean…

  13. I really should be working

    God when the Aussies are commenting on your behaviour it must be bad.

    I have heard some horror stories from lads living in Australia about the behaviour of their fellow countrymen and women. It’s the kind of stuff that has really made me cringe and would normally be unbelievable if seen on a TV3 special.

      1. Niall

        With the caveat that I’ve heard equally as many stories to make your skin crawl about the behaviour of the shackledraggers in their natural environment.

    1. bahbah

      Hmm…it’s almost as if culture and ethnicity have little or nothing to do with the behaviour of an individual.

      Like an “associate” of mine said when that Kony video came out, “it doesn’t say much about these black fellas that they’d do this to each other”. Mmm… yes, murdering fellow countrymen, kidnapping children for military purposes… can’t think of any Irish organisation that did likewise….

  14. Ronan

    There’s a real flaw which seems scarily prevalent in the Irish psyche – close to zero respect for wider society and the public realm. It seemingly entitles a good number among us to do as we please without personal responsibility for our actions and leave a trail of chaos. At the lower end its the widespread littering and double-parking we all see and turn a blind eye to as if it would be somehow un-Irish – y’know…a post-colonial mindset that it would be ”a betrayal of those who fought for our right to freedom” – to behave more thoughtfully. At the higher end its vandalised bus stops and drunken yahooing leading to punch-ups. Maybe it’s because we feel we have so little stake in ”the system” because all the decision-making that effects our lives is so top-down and remote from us. I guess emigrants might especially feel this – the fact that these incidents are taking place abroad in someone else’s back yard only exacerbates the madness.

    1. Kim V

      I was going to say that. I wouldn’t have ventured the opinion on my own but the ‘post-colonial’ thing was mentioned to me once years back when I interviewed Frank McDonald, the environment & architecture writer for the IT – he was talking about how within a week of the Millennium Bridge going up, it was covered with chewing gum and had also been vomited on. He expressed that Irish people (in his view) feel no civic responsibility/ have no civic pride because they feel the city doesn’t belong to them. But: he was like, You know what, it’s ours now. The Custom House, the GPO, the Georgian squares and of course all the very new things of the last 100 years are ours now, and what’s more all those supposedly ‘British’ landmark buildings were in fact built at the time by the hands and effort of Irish people.

      As far as the post-col feeling of disenfranchisement, which extends outward to a larger feeling of ‘this isn’t mine, so fuck it’, which I think is what you’re naming, I feel like… our behaviour belongs to us. How we behave and the person we choose to be belongs to us. We are never disenfranchised from that.

      1. SOMK

        “At the higher end its vandalised bus stops and drunken yahooing leading to punch-ups”

        Surely at the “higher up,” it’s bribe taking politicians who give away national resources like a drunk uncle buying his nephews pints at a wedding, who are more than happy to put the enitre economy on the hock for the f*ck ups of their friends in banking and property, cops who never get done for violence, a Catholic hierarchy who’ve been systematically abusing children and hiding that abuse. We all know it. That’s the kind of vandalism a bit of paint and power hose won’t get rid of any time soon.

        Most of these troublemakers will cop on eventually, you don’t see many people up to this crap once they hit their mid twenties, it’s the pr*cks at the top in their forties and fifties who are happy to wreck this country who set the example, until they cop on or we make them, you’ll have no sense of respect or civic duty in the wider society.

        1. Niall

          “you don’t see many people up to this crap once they hit their mid twenties”

          Precisely.

          The post-colonial aspect is interesting, what I’m noticing here primarily, though, is how keen posters seem to condemn some relatively minor misbehaviour as if it’s some kind of national affliction and shame – as if young lads from any other nation don’t get up to similar stuff … and as if it’s acceptable for the shackledraggers to turn it into an “Irish” issue.

          Put an Irishman on the spit and you can always get another Irishman to turn him.

          1. Xiao Liu

            Can we please stop referring to Australians as ‘shackledraggers’? For Ireland?

          2. Niall

            If, and hopefully when, I stop coming upon these “no wogs, no abbos, no Irish” type stories and attitudes from our antipodean brethren, then maybe we’ll call it a draw. Until that point, sauce for goose most definitively = sauce for gander.

          3. Niall

            Actually, I find it quite effective, it tends to get under Australians’ skins, at which point the issue of their bellicose, unreasoning racism can be broached to maximum effect.

            Do unto others, etc..

        2. Ronan

          If we’re talking about general low standards (in high places) then yes that’s the upper end of the spectrum of a sick society. I was just dealing with straightforward anti-social behaviour.

        3. Kim V

          SOMK, you are so right, and it’s really upsetting to think about.
          ‘until they cop on or we make them’- How do we make them?! We need to start making them.

  15. The Clack

    Paddy’s Day here in the States was embarrassing! I was ashamed to be wearing green, seems they’re the same no matter where they go. I think it’s got something to do with the sun, we’re not used to it, it makes us go a bit mad.

    1. Three Broadsheets to the Wind

      I’m in the US and most of the people I encountered were not Irish to begin with, plenty of US students simply see it as a drinking holiday.

      1. The Clack

        Definitely heard some broad midland accents. And I’m not talking Bible Belt.

  16. ray

    If any foreigners living here in Ireland acted in the above manner, Talk to Joe would be inundated and cries of ‘DEPORT THEM’ would be heard.

    But when the crusty Irish have the ‘craic’ abroad, sure it’s grand…

    Hypocrites.

  17. Patrick Flynn

    The Irish here in Australia on working visas make an absolute disgrace of themselves when drinking. Having lived and worked in County Bondi a few years ago I experienced it first hand, the scene of drunken yobs (not just drunk but totally spaced) making a complete show of themselves and the rest of the Irish living here. It seems that we cannot as a race go out and just enjoy a few social drinks without the absolute requirement to end up pissed beyond reason.
    I moved to the gold coast eventually to live the dream and its great to be away from that scene. You will find the same yobs if you visit Surfers Paradise but not on the same scale thank God. Why oh why do they have to get so drunk and make a show of themselve. I am no angel, I love having a beer but come on. Good on the Cops in Perth, its about time we grew up.

    1. Wes

      Well said Patrick, I’ve lived in Perth (and other parts of Australia) now for 45 years and never got involved with many Irish or Irish clubs because of just what you referred to. A big majority seem to believe that by getting blind drunk to the point of falling down, is a great night out. Having said that I have a few good Irish friends who were carefully chosen, and I’m also selective about where I socialise. I’m no prude and still love a good night out, but I can do that without offending others.

  18. VOTE NO Frilly Keane

    Perth Police would do well to see the state of their own at a Edinburgh Hogmany sometime.

    An as for that letter, the members of Perth ‘Barrs shouldn’t forget its Uachtarán.
    Something for their AGM

  19. I really should be working

    Ah sure they are only shaking off the shackles of austerity and more power to them.

      1. I really should be working

        you can if you stick an apple in its mouth and a long metal bar right through his body…mmmm spit roasting mmm

  20. kilzo85

    I worked as a doctor in Perth. The Irish were disgracing themselves at every turn and the injuries I saw them attending A&E with, as well as the drunken injuries they were inflicting on others, were horrific.
    We went out a lot when I lived in Australia and got a warning or 2 from the police. It caused us to wise up as it really impressed on me the fact that we get away with a lot of ridiculous and anti-social behaviour in Ireland when we drink and that what I had convinced myself were normal or acceptable ‘drunken antics’ were not going to be tolerated elsewhere.

    I am from the West but it was obvious that many of the most antisocial Irish I came across were not ‘Dublin rich kids’ but rather young and immature country lads who were ripping signs off shops at 4am, or trying to throw each other in the river. My own county-men were the worst I witnessed!

    Argue all you like- we are a race, and our reputation in Australia is being destroyed by a large group of idiots who are not capable of adjusting to an independent life in a different country. If this damaging trend is not reversed, the Australians are going to take affirmative action, which will lead to restrictions in visa, work and accommodation availability.

    I wouldnt blame them. They have tens of thousands of young irish in their employment and we throw it back in their faces.

    1. mani

      Who are they going to give the jobs to when they restrict the Irish? Asians? other people of colour? not bloody likely. The police should rightly crack down on any anti-social activity but I find it hilarious that the Australians should be moral guardians in any situation.

    2. Daz

      @kilzo85 I have to agree with your assessment. I worked in Sydney and I had a patient in the Emergency Department one night. He was a ‘grand’ country lad, from just up the road from me in Sligo. I got lumbered with his assessment because his accent was so thick that no one else on that night could understand him.

      Well, to cut a long story short he was pretty beat up, several fractures and a fair number of lacerations, some quite large. I asked him what had happened and he told me he had been jumped by a couple of Kiwis, beaten and thrown through a shop window.

      “How terrible’ I thought, until he ruined it by saying ‘It’s not like home at all here is it? You go out, have a few drinks on a Saturday night, throw a few punches and have a bit of a scrap and then head to the chipper and home to bed. Sure, all I did was threw one punch at a fella as he walked past me on the street, but I walked away. Can you believe his mates followed me and beat me up? Terrible. No sense of the craic at all.”

      1. Andrea

        I have encountered the same mentality in Sweden, Denmark and Germany amongst Irish imbeciles.

        I had to get up from my seat outside a resturant in Malmö four years ago and run across the street to beg some hard working Albanian guy (I know him and is wife) working at the hot dog stand not to beat up the Irish guy who walked up to him and punched him while drunk for no reason.

        I have seen various incidents all over Europe, which is why I avoid associating with Irish people on the continent as once they have a few drinks in the, they will create trouble.

        For the record, the women are just as bad as the men.

        1. Daz

          Actually, it did happen Nidge, in Prince of Wales Hospital, Randwick. What makes you think that it was fabricated, too unbelievable to be true perhaps?

          1. kilzo85

            Nidge are you serious? The messes young drunk irish idiots get themselves into at home and abroad are horrific: I had a young guy in A&E in Perth who lost an eye and had his face destroyed after starting a fight with a biker. He is just one in a long litany of disasters/occurences drawing very negative attention on the irish in australia. The A&E was held up by 2 cork lads with knives one night who afterwards claimed ‘sur we were only havin the craic’. I would have deported them back to cork if it had been my choice.

  21. Gina Kelly

    I have lived with Australians in Dublin and they could be just as bad when it comes to drink, but they don’t seem to leave the trail of destruction behind them.
    Having lived in Ireland for half a decade and seen the Irish at their best and at their worst, I can honestly say there is a real problem in Irish society. Drink is destroying the country and there are no repercussions for bad behaviour.
    People binge drink in most countries, but nowhere else have I seen it happen more than once a month. in Ireland it’s normal to drink yourself into oblivion on a Friday and Saturday night – all in the name of the ‘craic’.
    When sober, the Irish are the best people you will ever meet, but after a few drinks Irish people have no respect for each other or their surroundings.
    People urinate in public, verbally abuse innocent bystanders, and get so drunk they put themselves and others in danger and the Garda don’t care – I have seen many a fight on the street where the Gardaí just stand there watching.
    I don’t know why people think it’s acceptable to behave the way they do, one thing I do know is that it won’t change anytime soon.

    1. Niall

      Don’t buy it. Don’t see what’s different between Dublin and the likes of Munich, Berlin, Liverpool, Manchester, London, Nairobi, Ko Phangan, Cologne, Prague, etc., etc. Exactly the same kinds of behaviours go on, and worse.

      This “ah sure aren’t we an awful shower altogether, hardly fit to hold our heads up in daycent society” palaver is starting to get on my t!ts.

      Young lads act the maggot, drunk or otherwise, worldwide. Singling out Ireland as a particular problem case is more of a reflection on our self-image, than on the reality imho.

      1. Gina Kelly

        I also lived in London and NEVER saw the type of antics I see in Dublin every weekend. The venues won’t put up with it and neither will police. It’s also not as socially acceptable – people in most countries don’t come into the office and proclaim they spent the weekend off their face as though it was something to be proud of. People I worked with didn’t come in with a hangover, and if you did you made sure you hid it and not talk about having ‘the fear’ all day.
        Yes people have wild nights everywhere else in the world – but not every weekend, especially once you have left uni.

        1. Niall

          Hmmm … previous post seems to have disappeared.

          Was just saying that I lived with an ex in Bethnal Green for a while, was primarily going out in the Shoreditch type scene, only saw the meat market dwelling braying yobs in passing, but there were plenty of them in evidence.

          I found that substance abuse was just as much in evidence as it is in Dublin, even if people may not have “proclaimed” it in their working lives, but also that there was a dark undercurrent to the scene that goes way beyond the kind of messing that we’re talking about here – knives being pulled, serious assaults, shockingly common reports of $exual violence. Had my phone robbed out of my pocket by a guy I was talking to at a party once, and these aren’t “chavs” we’re talking about, by and large these were university educated, white, southern middle-class kids.

        2. Nidge The Dealer

          @Gina – London society, in my experience, is far more violent and anti-social that Dublin. The Met per capita crime stats prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Look it up if you don’t believe me. I lived in London for a long time and safely say there was a much worse undercurrent of menace there than anywhere else in Ireland.

          @Niall – completely agree. This singling ourselves out for shame and introspection because of a bunch of young idiots is f**king tiresome.

          Are the police in Perth not competent enough to deal with these morons on a case-by-case basis? Bring in laws to revoke visas as a result of drunk and disorderly behaviour. Or 2/3 strikes and you’re out of the country. Do whatever it takes and man the f**k up. Resorting to generalisations and racism just makes them look like idiots.

  22. zehner

    I lived in Melbourne back in 2002 for about 5 months. Got a room in a flat with 15 other Irish lads. Most were ok….aside from the Wickla’ boys who thought it was gas craic to hang the tricolour out the window and blast pro-IRA songs onto the street below…….and also the 3 pigs from Cork who stuck porno pics all over available inch of the biggest bedroom and wanked non-stop (without ever cleaning up) for about 2 months before leaving without warning. Thanks langers.

    Some Irish are just total spastics abroad. Deport a few of the idiots and it might teach them a lesson.

  23. Kevnmur

    Reminds me of Pat Shortt’s ‘D’Unbelievable’ school teacher.

    “Good man Maloney, you can’t even find the school gates, and you’re going out to America….”

    #KnuckleDownFairlyLively

  24. Mossy

    It was the same in Munich in the summer of 1992. Irish students made us all look like total Eejits and the rest of us made to feel unwelcome. Plus after 2 beers we think we are the funniest people on the planet.

      1. Niall

        I stayed there for a couple of nights in ’98, so he obviously found it in his heart to take our money.

        As an aside, I was working in Seehaus in the English Gardens for that summer, there were plenty of drunken incidents, fights and the like, but it wasn’t just us who were involved.

        Young fla’s. Testosterone. Weissbier. Not a pretty combination … and something of a cross-cutting issue world-wide, irrespective of nationality, race, colour or creed. From my experience of the shackledraggers, they’re not in much of a position to throw stones.

        1. Wes

          They’re doing something about the problem on their own doorstep. Is that what you don’t like?

          1. Niall

            Nope, it’s the meatheaded assumption that it’s somehow acceptable to attempt to paint this as an “Irish” problem.

            By all means, enforce the law by local standards, on a case by case basis, jail or deport troublemakers as appropriate. This is how a decent legal system works in a civilised country. Making it out to be about “the Irish” rather than “young lads/ladettes acting the maggot” is essentially racial profiling, and the mark of an immature, backwards, authoritarian nation.

            Then again, I wouldn’t expect much better from the shackledraggers. Too right, eh, “mate”. A dingo ate my baby.

  25. Angrylips

    Sure haven’t we been exporting our delinquents to Australia since the place was first discovered? How come it’s a problem all of a sudden?

    1. Jockstrap

      Oh wow. I have never ever heard that reference before. Christ. Why didn’t I think of that. The deported criminals. Of course! Brilliant.

      1. I really should be working

        again jockstrap you should how much of an as*hole you are.

  26. Jade

    Im just back from Perth and Im not surprised by this at all. Especially in the Northbridge area which is crammed with pubs and nightclubs.
    I saw plenty of different nationalities (and counties) getting pissed and acting the b*ll*x but the problem is that there are so many Irish there at the moment that it seems like we are the main culprits.
    To contradict myself though the Irish can be quite embarrassing. I avoided Sydney as much as possible, especially County Bondi, where we have nearly worn out our welcome. I did’nt enjoy Aussies shouting “Fucking Irish!” at me when I walked down the street. (no i was not wearing a GAA top at the time). Or our reservation for a Hostel in the Blue Mountains being rejected once they realised there were 2 Irish in our group.

  27. L

    I live in Canada, and the same sort of shite goes on here. The area I live in is popular among the Irish, especially during the Summer and the shit they pull in the local pubs is disgraceful. I’ve given up going to certain places because the bartenders all give each other a look as soon as they hear your accent. They don’t bother tipping (it’s a major cultural practice, they shouldn’t just leave it because they don’t do it at home), they start fights, insult the staff, are completely racist and homophobic in all respects (shouting the n word and the f word). It gives us an awful name. And to be honest, it’s not confined to a certain group of Irish, shit happens with groups from the West and East, whether they are third-level educated or not. The Irish group I go out with completely avoid certain places now because we know there will be large groups of Irish at them.

    1. Oh

      I live in Canada too, and a bouncer told me she likes the Irish because we’re really gracious when being kicked out….she was serious!

  28. soozy

    This Sh*t is very embarrasing, it just makes it harder for the rest of us. I have lived in Melbourne for a number of years. Not nice when you start a job and everyone, including your superiors assume your a heavy drinking yobbo and a bit of a fool.That by the way, seems to be a general view of Irish abroad. Shock horror!. No. They don’t all “love us”. That view is only held in Ireland.
    Only last week (after being here years) I had the comment “your Irish , you must drink a lot of beer?”. Really annoys the crap out of me.

    1. Niall

      Sorry, but that kind of mindless ethnic/racial/national stereotyping says more about the worldview of the morons propounding such views than anything about the alleged “characteristics” of an ethnicity/race/nation.

      Siding with the transgressor seems a pretty strange way of dealing with casual racism being directed against you … a bit Irish, wha?

      1. Owen O'F

        What happened to you in Australia, Niall? You’ve got a massive chip on your shoulder. Did someone nick your coat in a bar?

        1. Niall

          Very simple: I don’t like racism, I don’t like racists, I don’t like apologists for racism or racists, and I particularly don’t like the fact that some Irish people are so caught up in national self-loathing that they can’t see this for what it is.

          1. droid

            For the love of god, Call it bigotry or discrimination or anything at all – but not racism. Even if you believe (against all biological rationale) that the random and minor genetic signifiers which we call ‘race’ has some validity – Australians and Irish people are still both Caucasian, and not separate ‘races’.

  29. padders

    15 years ago you would be able to tell a group of Irish young lads from their english counterparts by the way they behaved . now you cant tell the difference , its desperately sad .

  30. Cokburger

    I had the misfortune to live in Perth “most boring city ever” for 4 years, before the massive influx of Irish.
    I found the WA police force to be totalitarian, racist bullies.
    As a good friend of mine pointed out the WA police are operating under the same mandate since the states formation : keeping the convicts off the grog and wiping out the locals.

    Northbridge is a kip and the coppers make it a lot worse by flooding the area with heavily armed police officers literally looking for trouble.

    I often find it hilarious reading comments advising immigrants in Australia to respect local customs and “integrate” when the early Australian settlers completely disrespected Aboriginal customs and made no attempt to integrate. To this day the “first Australians” are still treated terribly by the WA police and goverment.

    I found the WA cops treatment of Aboriginees and all minorities frankly disgusting in my time in Perth. I was glad to move to Melbourne a few years ago. You certainly would not hear Victorian Police uttering the nonsense posted above.

    1. Wes

      You haven’t lived here long enough to really know what’s been happening in the past, if you had, you might understand why the police are out in force and enforce “zero tolerance”. You seem to be happier where there’s frequent gangland murders etc.etc.
      Police here are doing their best to keep the place as crime free as popssible, and more power to them!

      1. Cokburger

        Frequent Gangland murders? Get a grip. I moved from Blanchardstown to Perth/Disneyland so don’t talk about gangland.
        You are having a laugh.
        The cops have zero tolerance policy cos they are dumb racist west australians.

        1. Wes

          O.K. Cokburger,
          If you have the guts, why not make that statement direct to the West Australian police commissioner, or would you like someone else to pass it on for you?

          1. Cokburger

            Like I said, I have moved out of WA.
            You want me to wind up a heavily armed racist fuckwit?
            You need to work out the difference between guts and stupidity maaaaaate

  31. otis

    Are you forgetting where the first Australian settlers came from? Most of us would not make the same mistakes again if given the chance.

    All Irish I have met have been great, I’ve never had a problem.

    Please, stop calling us Shakledraggers, it’s not like we got a choice.

    1. Instant Karma Police 'n' Thieves

      Yes, the first settlers were the Aborigines, from North of Australia.

      The first invaders were the Europeans.

  32. Barry

    This is a letter from a friend of a club member saying that the cops told someone else that there is poor behaviour going on. There is no statement from the cops, no press release or any supporting documentation.
    I’m declaring shenanigans on this one.

  33. Dave

    That letter strikes me as blatant racism. Makes it sound like the only people getting drunk and causing trouble are ‘the irish’. This sort of stereotyping makes me sick.

    1. kilzo85

      If you were to visit the affected areas and see the sheer scope of the antisocial behaviour and havoc drunken young Irish are wreaking, you may feel sick for different reasons, and not be so inclined to regard this as lazy generalising stereotyping.
      It is absolutely mortifying to witness and to be associated with.

  34. dave

    No wonder the irish have a reputation of being drunken idiots, show some respect or go home

  35. B Bop

    Or….why not make “Australia” (Schackledragger Land) one big drunken prisoner colony??!
    Is far away from civilisation-populated by ill mannered Aussies & deplorable Bog Baller Irish….let’s fly our own finest, home & the handful or so well- bred Australians- leave them all to fight it out in the heat, drought & scarily insect infested scrubland!!
    By the way NOT just Irish at fault…here’s some silly New Zealanders…surely they should be playing superior rugby?!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/03/possum-tree-drinking-game-dunedin?newsfeed=true

  36. artmacp

    We send all our criminals there for hundreds of years and they turn into a bunch of goody two shoes…what happened??! ..When we were there the Ozzies partied too – not just the Irish

  37. artmacp

    Ps. On a serious note. Most of the kids down there haven’t had money for years now. Now the young guys are working in mines, for 3 months at a time, with a week off holidays. Nothing to spend their money on. Whats gonna happen? Its a no brainer… Hard work like that with no women around.. They’re human

  38. Gerard

    Lets face it, the majority of the Irish who have immigrated to Australia are thugs. They were thugs in Ireland before they went to Australia and I personally think Ireland is a much safer place now. Most people I know who have Degrees from college would not go near Australia now as the place is overcrowed with a bunch of Irish. Most of the skilled Irish are going to the middle east and Canada and the US. Sorry Australia, but as many Irish people are thinking. Thank god its your problem and not ours.

    1. Instant Karma Police 'n' Thieves

      Hi Gerard,

      “the majority of the Irish who have immigrated to Australia are thugs”

      – what a load of rubbish. The Aussies have this concept called an immigration process, where they check the criminal records of all applicants. So, your thugs will not be allowed in as migrants.

      If a person who is a permanent resident but not a citizen, commits a serious crime, they will be deported. They deported a Swedish-born bloke who had some serious convictions, recently. He arrived when he was 27 days old – yes, days.

      Your entire comment is rubbish, I am not bothered to deal with the rest of it.

      1. Sean

        Sorry mate but thats complete b*llocks. The “immigration process” is just a box that you tick to say if you have a criminal record or not. I spoke to several people over there who claimed to have records/convictions at home but didn’t declare them and had there visa granted with no questions.

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