91 thoughts on “The Trees Of Lennox Street

  1. Paul Moloney

    Er, so because DCC are concerned about “poor tree growth”….

    …they’re cutting the trees down altogether.

    P.

    1. Bangman

      I think the main reasons are the damage to vehicles, basements and blocking light… They are actually resoonding to complaints from residents.

      Are you complete and utter dimwits or just p***ks?

      1. Tim

        Seems reasonable to me. In 10 years time when the basements become damaged and the owners have to fork out thousands of euros to fix the problem, they will be saying why didn’t the DCC do anything about it 10 years ago… cut them down, plant trees more suitable for growing there and get over it.

        1. Evil_g

          I’m sure Michael Noonan is probably spending his day filtering through moronic emails from people who believe that the basements in these buildings were built by Celtic Tiger Cowboys and/or that this is the equivalent deforestation in the Amazon and/or that speed limits kill the spirit of a city.

          He must be wondering why he didn’t just arrange to have them cut down over night.

          Fair play for printing his email address broadsheet.

    1. rmc

      Nonsense, Dublin is very green(in a vegetation sense) city. This proposal like nearly all such proposals is based on complaints made to the DCC

      1. Hutton

        Indeed – in particular the trees on College Green are now too big and should be removed as they obscure the views of our finest buildings… That said, I’ve always liked the trees on Lennox Street ;)

        1. Moog

          Funny, I had no problem seeing either the Bank of Ireland or the front of Trinity last time I was down there and neither of those buildings are such architectural wonders that they would be improved by the removal of some fantastic trees.

    2. Father Filth

      Don’t worry, chrome trees with mood lighting are being ordered, no expense spared. Along with a few, low, knee busting benches that no one really uses to sit on.

  2. Simon

    “Potential damage to basements from tree roots” – if this is true it seems like a valid reason to remove them.

    1. Micki

      From the picture, these look like mature trees that haven’t just sprung up in the last few years. If there was to be damage to basements, surely it would have manifested itself by now?

      * Disclaimer : Not a tree expert.

  3. Clarkie

    Talk to your neighbours, most of the reasons for the removal sound like they’ve come from complaints from the public. If you can mobilise enough support from residents to leave them as they are, I’m sure DCC would prefer to be doing other things like not collecting bins and making you do a dance and a little song to get a parking permit.

    Basically, some miserable cnut on your street has complained that their underground gym is now leaking due to tree roots (not because the work was completed by celtic tiger cowboys)

  4. Cian

    Another example of how the car dominates. Because people will get upset if their cars get scratched, the street has to be defaced of greenery.

    1. collie147

      Not the case. I worked in DCC for 5 years, a fair portion of that was trimming and felling trees around the northside. Most likely it’s to do with the shallow topsoil i.e. the tree roots are starting to uproot the foundation of the path/road/houses or they’re interfering with the cabling above. The majority of trees that are felled are for those reasons, it’s not cost friendly to fell and replant when they can trim (not that cost friendly is their primary concern). And they will be replanted with saplings, it might be in a year or so, but they will do it.

      1. Hacad

        Verbally , I have been informed that DCC are not going to replace them , if they were to replace them,on a phased basis,it could be considered, but to fell 9 mature trees in one go is a bit drastic !!!

  5. jetsetJimbo

    Church street used to be lined with 100 year old beautiful trees and the corpo cut them all down. They said they would then refurbish the street and replant with new trees so reluctantly the residents agreed.
    12 months after they were cut down they arrived with a cement truck and poured plain old cement footpaths in place of paving and may as well have put a sign up for the local kids to come write their names all over them, as they did. another 6 months later after much canvassing some saplings were planted and now the street looks bare run down and terrible. you may find there is 1 resident with reason to actively complain about the trees and they are acting on that basis and to cut ongoing maintenance costs. However if they do go to cut them ensure you have written assurances of what they intend to replace them with.

  6. Cionnaith

    do the residents want the trees saved?

    louth county council have wrecked many streets in dundalk with ill conceived narrowing, laying of cement blocks and bizarre road markings to allow for bike lanes. one such street is a main artery and it has become apparent that it needs to be re-widened to allow emergence vehicles access, this means moving the bike lane, narrowing the footpath and removing a whole line of beautiful old trees and while this is an horrific thought to most of us, the residents seem happy enough for them to go, they value natural light in their homes over beautiful old trees on the pavement outside and i cant really blame them

    1. PhilJo

      Most cyclists wish they’d take out the cycle lanes as they’re a nightmare to navigate, end abruptly and put cyclists in the “door zone” in several places.

    2. Hacad

      Yes the majority of the residents want the trees saved…a petition from the residents will confirm that…

  7. don

    Yet another attempt to kill the spirit of the city like the 30k speed limit, O’Connell st, huge rates, and now proposing to make it illegal to j-walk.

    1. Fair play

      How exactly does the 30km limit ‘kill the spirit of the city’ exactly?? Surely by making it less dangerous for bikes and pedestrians it does precisely the opposite.

      1. Jack

        Cyclist killing the city by cycling on footpaths, etc, bastrads. It probably them who is complaining about teh lennox street trees, trees take up footpath cycling room.

  8. bisted

    …who was it said in defence of other trees in Dublin that were due for the chainsaw…the trees were probably more sinned against than sinning.

  9. Evil_g

    That foot path does look too narrow for trees.

    I think the Council should be praised for asking the residents for their opinion before deciding to remove them.

    I think organising some sort of flash mob of people with no connection to the area to “Help us stop them” is unfair on those who might have reasonable concerns.

    But, yeah, whatever, you’re right so screw everybody else.

  10. JimmyWhat?

    Although I don’t want to see those trees go, I am pleased DCC has sent a letter to the residents to seek their opinion instead of just going around and uprooting the trees without any consultation.

  11. Instant Karma Police

    Looking at shadown falling on the photo, it looks like Ned Kelly is on your side. He should scare the bejaysus out of them!

  12. Carolus Duran

    Mobilise Portobello residents and fight this crap. DCC truly are idiots, destruction tends to be their area of expertise.

  13. Wayne.F

    Council do nothing in 4 months the entire street will be suing them for damage to their property from the Trees, council are pro- active they are criticised.

    The people that live in houses 1;2;3;7; 8-10; 16; 20-22; 28-30 and the rest of the residents of the street are the only people who should have a say in this not a bunch of outsiders who just want a row with the council.

    If every resident on the street signs a disclaimer saying they will not lobby for constant maintenance of footpaths due to tree damage or sue for damage to their property as a result of the trees then they should stay.

    Failing that Bring in the chainsaws.

      1. Wayne.F

        Not particularly as the Amazon produces approximately 20% of the earth’s oxygen so it is a global problem, felling a few tress on a small street in Dublin will have minimal impact on the city or the globe, just the residents that live there.
        Just like multiple other causes it will be hijacked by people that have no concern or to whom either action or inaction on the part of DCC will have no impact to their lives. But sure it is a good chance for them to protest,

        But way to compare one thing with something that is totally not like the other!!

    1. Hacad

      The tree didnt fall…A large branch was dragged/split by a delivery lorry from Shamrock Foods that was the height of a double decker bus.,

  14. Androidious

    That street will look terrible without those trees ….there’s plenty of room for walking up n down that path , they give the street its character tearing them down is criminal unless its absolutely essential , which i imagine its not ….. The DCC have a history of destroying lovely streets

    1. Wayne.F

      Yes the DCC are guilty of some heinous crimes against this city, the Bunkers, that hideous new office block on Dame Street opposite the Olympia, but in this case they appear to by applying common sense. Scary!

  15. Blah

    LENNOX STREET today, your street tomorr? All they need to provide is a sound basis, and be able to defend the action. Nothing less and nothing more.

    1. lou

      Well, if they’ve got a sound basis and the action is defensible, I’m fine with it. It’s indefensible actions and unsound basises (bases? basis’?) that are the problem.

      Unless you’re being sarcastic and I’m too tired to cop, in which case: sorry.

    2. Jack

      First they came for the lime trees, and we did nothing,
      then they came for the silver birch, and we did nothing
      …………………………………….

  16. custo

    from that photo alone it looks like the windows of the houses are in danger of being put through by a branch in the next year or so.. Just trimming the branches on the window side won’t help, as it’d have to be done every month or so during the spring / summer. Also, they look like relatively ‘young’ trees – I’d say 10 years old at the most. If you just let them grow, the roots – which can be as wide reaching as the trees are tall – will cause the pavement to crack, tarmac on the roads to lift, and basements will be damaged.

    Also if you cut them down, you’ll have nice sunlight (!) coming in your windows enabling you to grow plants and herbs.

    Chop em down, replace them with saplings. Repeat every ten / twelve years.

    1. EvilRobotDanny

      +1 for common sense

      Also Im pretty sure that’s what they do with city street trees in other countries where “sure it’ll be grand” isn’t the ethos of the land.

      1. collie147

        Unfortunately it doesn’t work with all trees, particularly in Dublin where everything is destroyed. They used to cut back a lot more often when there was a green waste facility in Raheny but since it’s closure they’ve been doing less because it’s costing more.

  17. rufio

    Quite a lot of those houses are tiny 1 bed bedsits, very dark inside due to the trees. If they propose to replace them and make some proper tree pits instead, maybe a bit of amsterdam soil, some permeable paving, copper’d foundations to block roots …but I doubt funds are there for that?

    DCC should look at these kind of small projects (and bike lanes) instead of re-paving grafton street.

  18. P. B

    Outrageous. The management at Dublin City Council are completely out of control – For years excessive bureaucracy has stifled innovation in service delivery and now they just mechanically decide to saw down trees in a city that is badly in need of more greenery. Bereaucracy at it’s worst. Is the Fine Gael – Labour council absolutely powerless to stop this or do they just not care?

    1. woesinger

      Yes – informing residents of their plans, giving reasons for their actions and asking the residents to give their opinion – it’s mindless bureaucracy gone mad!

        1. woesinger

          No disagreement there – so long as the residents don’t come along complaining later that their basements and cars are being damaged and asking the DCC what they’re going to do about it.

        2. P. B

          It is hardly an open and transparent process. DCC have a long history of poor management-led decisions, from planning to waste, that have been wholly regressive and damaging. This is another example. Some of the DCC moves seem to be nothing more than box-ticking excises for various divisions that are operating in a silo, seemingly answerable to nobody and who like to give off the impression that they are open, but are really just the product of extremely poor decision making and a relic of a civil service that we inherited from the Brits in 1922. I hope on the back of the objections that they reconsider this terrible decision and allow the trees to stand as they are on what is one of the nicest looking streets in Dublin city.

  19. Jockstrap

    Im guessing this is down to precious types complaining about sap dropping on to their precious cars.

    Get over it.

    The trees were there before your overpriced vanity boxes and they’ll be there long after.

  20. Dee

    I live on Lennox St. I haven’t seen that letter (except one here) and I don’t have a car or an underground gym. I know we’re all supposed to be pro tree etc, but I actually don’t really give a damn if they stay or go.

    1. Jockstrap

      Well at least give a damn either way instead of leaving it up to others to make your decisions for you.

      1. Dee

        “…to make your decisions for you.” Wha?

        The letter does not place burden of responsibility for ‘decision-making’ on Lennox st dwellers. It invites them to comment if they wish to. I don’t.

        Sometimes trees cause problems, but they are marvellous to look at and to hug all the same. And, it’s OK to not be politicised or angry about every single issue.

  21. jade

    Heres what they do in Melbourne
    “Another method to try and reduce root damage is to cut and paint the offending roots, lift the old pavement, compact the area with gravel, lay cement dust as a base and roll out rubber paving that is recycled from old tyres as a paving surface. This material has the advantage of allowing water to penetrate, making more moisture available to the trees, resulting in better health and condition of the trees. It can be rolled up for future root pruning and laid back down again very easily by two people without the heavy cost of paving repair.”

  22. Lovely Joe

    A lot of the trees which have been more recently planted in Dublin, for example on the quays, seem to be of the horrible wispy variety that never grows over a certain level no matter how old they are. I lived around the quays for a few years and they didn’t really change that much appearance wise throughout the seasons because their foliage was so scant. They always made me sort of sad. Does anyone know if these trees support wildlife?

  23. Hairy legs

    Such a beautiful street. Are the trees here any more agressive to cars than in other areas? Every other tree lined street must have the same car issues and are delt with in other ways. A disgrace

  24. Terra Incognita

    My Letter to M.Noonan

    My wife and I have been residents of XX Lennox Street for the last ten years. We dearly love living in this community for many reasons; one of which is the joy of its architecture and the beauty of the area. We teach our children to respect and protect the environment. We are totally and utterly against the proposal to fell all the trees from No 30 to Richmond Street.

    This is the best “leafy” suburb closest to the city centre. We should be increasing the tree cover not decreasing it. Synge street down from Lennox Street for example has wide foot paths and should have trees planted which would make the entire length of Synge Street tree lined, we should be adding trees not felling them.

    I dont buy the arguments for felling the trees:

    1. Restricted growing area leading to tree and vehicle dammage resulting from proximity of the street trees to the road.

    Dammage to cars??? from tree sap??? a twig?? a branch falling during a storm? come on we would have to fell every tree lined road in Dublin to mitigate against this. There are two trees infront of my house no 33 and aside from tree sap and the odd wet leaf drying onto the windshield we have never had any problems. This is not a valid reason for felling them.

    2. The narrow width of the foot path which confines the tree to growing in a small tree pit leading to poor tree growth.

    We have a small family 3 girls aged 6, 5 and 2 we regularly walk up and down the street with the buggy, scooters and bicycles. The only navigation problems we have ever had were due to illegal bags of refuse left out not on bin day (I have repeatedly reported this to the council with little success or badly parked cars. The trees if anything reduce the effect of badly parked cars. There is no difficulty walking down the street, even with our double buggy. This is not a valid reason for felling the trees.

    Secondly felling a tree because of poor growth is an oxymoron and akin to shredding money least it be stolen. Its not a reason to fell the trees. I would also disagree re poor growth as they all bar one look healthy, ond the one that has a few branches missing is not beside a house with a basement (No 29).

    3. Potential dammage to underground basements from tree roots.

    I dont buy the basement argument at all as all of the basements are set well back from the road with about 2 meters of fresh air between them and where the trees are. Damage to the boundry wall maybe but the basements are all intact.

    This area of Portobello (Lennox Street) has the highest residential zoning protection Z1 in the Dublin City Development plan which is To protect, provide and improve residential
    amenities. The trees on Lennox street are a residential amenity and their felling would deteriorate the residential amenity not improve it.

    My solution would be to transform that end of Lennox Street in the same way as Lennox Place http://goo.gl/maps/JqeKo this way cars can be separated from the trees the footpath can be widened and traffic will be calmed. This would massively improve the residential amenity and be compatible with the Z1 zoning.

    We wish to strongly object to the proposed felling of the Lennox Street trees.

    Yours etc

  25. Nordie

    Reply from Mr Noonan to Cllr Callaghan:

    Dear Cllr. Callaghan,

    As per our discussions yesterday I can confirm that the proposed tree
    works on Lennox Street is part of this Division’s tree management
    programme for the area and the works will involve tree pruning and also
    tree removal of selected trees on the street.

    I have attached a copy of the letter which was circulated to the
    residents and outlines the reasons for the tree works and I have also
    included some pictures which highlight the concerns associated with
    retaining the trees due for removal.

    Since the circulation of the letter I have received a number of e-mails
    from local residents which I welcome as it shows the interest which the
    citizens on Lennox Street have in their street environment.

    However, these trees are ultimately the responsibility of Dublin City
    Council and as such Park’s Division has a ‘duty of care’ to undertake any
    works which it deems necessary to ensure the long term viability of such
    trees and limit damage to public and private property and minimise risk
    to the public.

    In this instance, and following assessment of the trees, it is considered
    necessary to remove a number of trees, but not all the trees, from Lennox
    Street.

    Informing local residents of our intention was the first step in the
    consultation process. I have noted the feedback received and considering
    their interest in the proposal and continuing the consultation process I
    hope to meet residents either on site or in Civic Offices over the coming
    weeks to discuss the implementation of the
    works.

    As these works have been on our agenda for a period of years I now look
    forward to constructive discussions with all interested parties on this
    matter.

    Regards,

    Michael Noonan

  26. Sharon Greene

    Noonan cut down 6 mature trees on Synge Street last year, two trees outside my house. There was no damage to the basement of my house, only some footpath cracking. They are basically shit scared of people suing them. They have no tree management plan like Dub Laoghaire and I would say, like Synge Street, have done structural surveys of damage to the road or basements or any public consultation. They had no plans to replant trees on Synge Street until we demanded they did and embarrassed them in the press. They planted two saplings, it was something but not enough. The impact the loss of 6 mature trees has had on the street is unbelievable. There is less shelter, no sound of birds singing and more rubbish thrown as it just looks rougher than it did. They need to have a tree management plan and a replanting scheme in place before they can even consider cutting down trees.

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