http://t.co/AAbn3qVVba: 99% of young people in #Dublin 6 go to 3rd level college, just 16% in Dublin 17. More on @morningireland #edchatie
— Cathal Mac Coille (@CathalMacCoille) August 20, 2014
Statistics from the Higher Education Authority revealed on Morning Ireland this morning which compare the percentage of young people who go to college from Dublin 6 – which includes Milltown, Ranelagh, Rathmines, Darty and Rathgar – with the same from Dublin 17, which includes Balgriffin, most of Coolock, Belcamp, Darndale and Priorswood.
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A lot of people from both those area codes are highly obnoxious.
also, many of them aren’t.
Can we have the statistical data for the obnoxiousity of both areas? How can one comment/compare?
He says that as if college is the only future available… People aspire to follow their parents and peers… whether into apprenticeships, work or college…
D6 is a middleclass suburb, D17 is working class (based on the draconian class system)… The government want this to be a knowledge based economy, where everyone goes to college & 50% of those work in support jobs or telesupport. The country needs tradespeople to be able to function as a viable economy, these roles are important and valuable… not everyone should go to college – but mostly because it will make for allot of miserable people.
That’s all fair enough, but people should have the choice, no? Your geographic location shouldn’t dictate your career path. The real story here is working class people are being priced out of college.
People do have the choice, I myself grew up in a disadvantaged area and it didnt stop me going to college. I think the figures are more down to good parenting
The figures are down to a wide range of social and economic factors.
Expectations are probably a bigger factor than parenting.
Learning Environment is probably a bigger deal than pricing.
Expectations and Parenting go hand in hand, my parents wouldnt have minded if I decided to do an apprenticeship after my leaving cert but they always gave me a push and expected me to do my best. Most of my peers in my neighborhood’s parents couldnt of given a shite if they even went to school
I’m talking about things more broad than parenting.
We are too quick to blame parenting for everything.
You had a positive experience.
Tonnes of kids don’t.
If you grow up in my environment, people kind of expect you to want to go to college. I had no idea what I wanted to do, but teachers, peers and my parents expected me to go to college.
If your parents don’t expect you to go to college, and your teachers don’t expect you to go to college and your mates don’t even expect you to be able to find a job, chances are, you won’t have the self-belief to go to college.
Similarly the chances are people won’t spell out your options for getting to college. Its kind of silly to think that parents are a monolithic influence in the lives of a kid of 18-19 who’s social structures are so much larger than their parents.
Exactly, if everyone goes to college / university who will serve the burgers & pints ?
Who will fix the cars, build the office blocks ?
Who will harvest the spuds ?
Who will clean that train toilet BS were so concerned about earlier ?
immigrants, duh
Agreed. Would be interesting to see stats that include apprenticeships or numbers working f/t straight out of school as opposed to the old “in college or doing sweet fa with your life” business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY&feature=youtube_gdata
Do Schools kill creativity?
D17 isn’t working class, that imples people have jobs and work.
More 3rd level places are needed because there are plenty of smart kids out there are discouraged from going to college because of social stigma and a perception that college is a middle class thing.
They receive sneering comments from withing their own community borne out of jealousy and also from establishment mentality which assumes you can only be a doctor if you’re from a “fine upstanding family (AKA conservative middle class family who go to mass and pretend to be decent people but actually avoid their taxes and vote for conservative governments who cut spending which undermines social initiatives).
Why can’t the kids from D6 do those jobs?
Of course they can but if 99% of them are third level educated then its a bad use of the money you paid in tax and was used to fund their educations to then use them in unskilled / semi skilled jobs.
You can bring a horse from Dublin 17 to water but you can’t make him drink it.
Blame the parents, whose parents you can also blame?
third level is very, very expensive.
I went to school in a ” deprived” area, got the lard kicked out of me for being a swot and so long as the teachers had a quiet class they were happy, 5 out of 120 went to third level. Reap what you sow etc
+1
So many people who were smarter than me when I was in primary school were killed by the soft bigotry of low expectations when they went to the local secondary school and I didn’t.
without Coolock the legal profession would lose such a nice steady earner, we don’t really want to rock that boat, let’s keep people in their pre-marked boxes.
If you’ve only had children so you can get ‘Mickey’ money and a free house, you’re not really going to care about their future prospects – so, again, I’m pointing my finger at the parents (from behind my keyboard.) Kids in these areas have ‘lower’ ambitions than more affluent ones, and may see the fact that ‘Da’ and ‘Uncle Anto’ haven’t worked a day in their lives and aim for something similar.
my, what a large brush you have!
all the better for tarring people with, my dear..
got a stereotype about d.6 for us as well?
Ahem… “If you’ve only had children so you can get ‘Mickey’ money and a free house, you’re not really going to care about their future prospects – so, again, I’m pointing my finger at the parents (from behind my keyboard.) Kids in these areas have ‘lower’ ambitions than more affluent ones, and may see the fact that ‘Da’ and ‘Uncle Anto’ haven’t worked a day in their lives and aim for something similar.”
Will that do?
My Cop Brother took me for a drive around Darndale one time. Grim is not the word
I was brought for a cruise one Sunday morning to check out burnt stolen cars. It’s a parallel universe.
accumulating degrees isnt for everyone even if this is true
In fairness most people who go to college only get one degree.
Been working in coolock / darndale for four years in Education. The kids have to deal with a lot more than the average person.there are so many factors in this, A lot of them find typical education does not cater to them, references, language and examples in textbooks are very middle class, this seems a little thing but it just increases the divide between what kids experience at home and in school.
Most of the kids I worked with were great, and most went on to some kind of further education, maybe it’s taking longer but they’re on their way. Also I’m from a working class background myself, went off and did arts degree, not my smartest move!
You would swear going to college is the b-all and end-all. Middle class kids are expected to go to college whereas many of them would be far happier as a mechanic than as a national school teacher, for example. Working in an office is so overrated and not as well paid as many trades, in spite of perceptions. The Germans have a much healthier approach and seem better at matching careers to individual apptitudes.
Different value is placed on education by different social classes
For example, it would be interesting compare the average number of books that would be found in a family home in Ranelagh compared to Darndale, or hours of screen watching, etc
Jesus..
lovely cliche. pointless supporting the D17 families though as they’re all out selling heroin and can’t read anyway
this is fun!
Alot of my friends from the country live in d6, they all send their kids to third level , how does the study take account of non natives of these post codes? Couldn’t alot of it be “blow ins” for want of a better word affecting the results?
I don’t think children of these boggers you refer to are recognised in such surveys; they can only speak Irish and are drunk on porter morning to dusk so are not to be approached