And if you read the letter, no where in it does it pose the question of social responsibility at the protests, but it does level the question somewhat at the Irish media, twice.
scottser
moncrieff had ruth coppinger on this afternoon, if that means anything..
Talismania!
Disperse to your homes. Your bills will be mailed in January, plus a punitive charge for briefly daring to defy authority.
Neilo
Not allowing people freedom of association/right to protest is socially disruptive and I say that as an ardent non-protester: if the introduction of USC and property tax didn’t make me string the Govt off the nearest lamp post, there was no way I was going to the mat over water charges.
Niallo
Very true, we took those lying down, but let me say this.
Straw.
Camel.
Back.
Neilo
The very definition of a such a straw. Though not the kind we can drink free water through!
Happy Molloy
in a way yes, as it the money still needs to come from somewhere, given that we’re borrowing a billion every couple of months, so it will come from Paye on workers.
funny how the “working class ” parties seem to take better care of the non-working classes, if they did care about workers they wouldn’t tolerate the Paye workers shouldering all the expenses in the country.
Irish water is still a crap organisation but that doesn’t make what I’ve said any less true.
who wants to be first to Call me a shill?
Niamh
This question was posed by a reader !! One measly reader…
What I mean there is the question above is posed by Newstalk, and is not what the letter is looking at.
The letter asks the question of the Irish media, not the people.
Newstalk just twisted it.
JollyRoger
feckin shill! but other then that you’re very correct
For a laugh listen back to the Sunday Show on their player.
The bias and disdain for protests or any kind of, even reasonable, dissent is hilarious. But that’s Shane Coleman, he’s not even incisive enough to be called conservative, he’s just following someone’s lead. Dreadful ‘journalist’
In fairness the Breakfast show seem fairly pro-protest…
Medium Sized C
The breakfast show were acting like the entire country razed the city of Dublin in protest on Saturday.
munkifisht
Holy f*ck. I’ve never read such tosh. Protesting is nothing but socially responsible.
Buzz
How about: Is media monopoly socially irresponsible?
I’ve protested, I’ll pay.
But I’m not paying those rates, I’m not paying a for-profit company either, and I’m going to make sure that the Greens get as much support as possible to have it enshrined in our constitution that IW can never be privatised.
That’s why I’ve protested and there are a lot more like myself, not everyone is saying ‘no’ outright.
You do know that it was the Green Party who signed up to water charges in the first place?
In 2008, the Minister for the Environment, John Gormley, Green Party leader and former Lord Mayor of Dublin from 1994–1995 during the water charges conflict, said that domestic water charges will not be introduced during the lifetime of the government. He also said water shortages will be a key issue that Ireland will have to grapple with in the future. The Minister said there were other ways of tackling potential shortages which have already left some larger urban areas – particularly Dublin – struggling to meet demand during prolonged dry spells. The main focus of government policy would be to reduce the leakages from main water supply pipes.[34]
In October 2009, however, Fianna Fáil and the Green Party agreed on a Renewed Programme for Government, which pledged to introduce domestic water charges based on a system of a free allowance per household, with charges only on usage in excess of the allowance. In October 2010, the administration’s ‘National Recovery Plan 2010-2014’ pledged that metering would form part of charges. Metering was to be introduced by 2014. As part of the EC-ECB-IMF Programme of Assistance to Ireland, agreed in November 2010, the Coalition agreed to the introduction of domestic water charges in 2012/2013.
Well you see, I said I’ll pay, just not to the set up that is there now, nor the prices, so yes I know the Greens signed up for water charges. Why wouldn’t they, and they also want to enshrine IW in the constitution which is of the utmost importance in my book.
But thanks for the reminders.
Nigel
Yes, the Greens support charges. I’ll bet a significant percentage of protestors support charges. Square the circle yourself.
Kolmo
Newstalk and the Irish Independent – extensions of the Fine Gael Press office, nothing more.
Any protest or labour strike in Ireland is regarded by nearly all media commentators as extremist and baffling, every nuance betrays a contempt and misunderstanding toward anyone who decides to protest against anything, every strike is portrayed as a thuggish affront to humanity
Medium Sized C
If Newstalk are an extension of the Fine Gael press office then either the Fine Gael press office are grossly incompetent, someone in the Fine Gael press office is a Fianna Fail plant trying to maximise the anti-Fine Gael news coverage, or you are another one of those idiots who thinks that anything other than baying for blood at the mere mention of Enda constitutes an expression of unwavering support.
pissedasanewt
The Fine Gael press office is grossly incompetent.
But I think newstalk does give out a fair bit about the government, although they are in favor of water charges. But the whole setup of Irish water has been grossly incompetent with a distinct arrogance toward public opinion and concerns. Which is unfortunately is how senior civil servants and politicians of all parties look down upon the rest of us. Just noisy rabble getting in the way..
Kieran NYC
THANK you.
No doubt you’ll be called a YFG shill for that comment though.
Tom Stewart
SHILL!!!
Medium Sized C
I take it you don’t listen to Newstalk.
Am I Still on this Island?
Not any more. It’s less Newstalk, as the propaganda wing of IBEC.
Soft like
Can’t stand snoozetalk stopped listening altogether when they bought the plank and they brought back ger knowitall gilroy on off the ball.
Mac
Yes. Clean water is a valuable resource and we should pay for it to help manage a scarce resource.
Should be titled ‘Are the water protests interferring with DO’B profits’
^This.
Ehh-xactly!
Precisely.
And if you read the letter, no where in it does it pose the question of social responsibility at the protests, but it does level the question somewhat at the Irish media, twice.
moncrieff had ruth coppinger on this afternoon, if that means anything..
Disperse to your homes. Your bills will be mailed in January, plus a punitive charge for briefly daring to defy authority.
Not allowing people freedom of association/right to protest is socially disruptive and I say that as an ardent non-protester: if the introduction of USC and property tax didn’t make me string the Govt off the nearest lamp post, there was no way I was going to the mat over water charges.
Very true, we took those lying down, but let me say this.
Straw.
Camel.
Back.
The very definition of a such a straw. Though not the kind we can drink free water through!
in a way yes, as it the money still needs to come from somewhere, given that we’re borrowing a billion every couple of months, so it will come from Paye on workers.
funny how the “working class ” parties seem to take better care of the non-working classes, if they did care about workers they wouldn’t tolerate the Paye workers shouldering all the expenses in the country.
Irish water is still a crap organisation but that doesn’t make what I’ve said any less true.
who wants to be first to Call me a shill?
This question was posed by a reader !! One measly reader…
No it wasn’t. Read the letter, it has a bigger go at the Irish Media than it does at the people.
What I mean there is the question above is posed by Newstalk, and is not what the letter is looking at.
The letter asks the question of the Irish media, not the people.
Newstalk just twisted it.
feckin shill! but other then that you’re very correct
spot on
For a laugh listen back to the Sunday Show on their player.
The bias and disdain for protests or any kind of, even reasonable, dissent is hilarious. But that’s Shane Coleman, he’s not even incisive enough to be called conservative, he’s just following someone’s lead. Dreadful ‘journalist’
In fairness the Breakfast show seem fairly pro-protest…
The breakfast show were acting like the entire country razed the city of Dublin in protest on Saturday.
Holy f*ck. I’ve never read such tosh. Protesting is nothing but socially responsible.
How about: Is media monopoly socially irresponsible?
+106
The letter assumes all who protest won’t pay.
Bullcrap.
I’ve protested, I’ll pay.
But I’m not paying those rates, I’m not paying a for-profit company either, and I’m going to make sure that the Greens get as much support as possible to have it enshrined in our constitution that IW can never be privatised.
That’s why I’ve protested and there are a lot more like myself, not everyone is saying ‘no’ outright.
And here’s that petition again if you want to sign it – http://www.change.org/p/the-irish-government-hold-a-referendum-on-the-public-ownership-of-ireland-s-water
+1
You do know that it was the Green Party who signed up to water charges in the first place?
In 2008, the Minister for the Environment, John Gormley, Green Party leader and former Lord Mayor of Dublin from 1994–1995 during the water charges conflict, said that domestic water charges will not be introduced during the lifetime of the government. He also said water shortages will be a key issue that Ireland will have to grapple with in the future. The Minister said there were other ways of tackling potential shortages which have already left some larger urban areas – particularly Dublin – struggling to meet demand during prolonged dry spells. The main focus of government policy would be to reduce the leakages from main water supply pipes.[34]
In October 2009, however, Fianna Fáil and the Green Party agreed on a Renewed Programme for Government, which pledged to introduce domestic water charges based on a system of a free allowance per household, with charges only on usage in excess of the allowance. In October 2010, the administration’s ‘National Recovery Plan 2010-2014’ pledged that metering would form part of charges. Metering was to be introduced by 2014. As part of the EC-ECB-IMF Programme of Assistance to Ireland, agreed in November 2010, the Coalition agreed to the introduction of domestic water charges in 2012/2013.
Well you see, I said I’ll pay, just not to the set up that is there now, nor the prices, so yes I know the Greens signed up for water charges. Why wouldn’t they, and they also want to enshrine IW in the constitution which is of the utmost importance in my book.
But thanks for the reminders.
Yes, the Greens support charges. I’ll bet a significant percentage of protestors support charges. Square the circle yourself.
Newstalk and the Irish Independent – extensions of the Fine Gael Press office, nothing more.
Any protest or labour strike in Ireland is regarded by nearly all media commentators as extremist and baffling, every nuance betrays a contempt and misunderstanding toward anyone who decides to protest against anything, every strike is portrayed as a thuggish affront to humanity
If Newstalk are an extension of the Fine Gael press office then either the Fine Gael press office are grossly incompetent, someone in the Fine Gael press office is a Fianna Fail plant trying to maximise the anti-Fine Gael news coverage, or you are another one of those idiots who thinks that anything other than baying for blood at the mere mention of Enda constitutes an expression of unwavering support.
The Fine Gael press office is grossly incompetent.
But I think newstalk does give out a fair bit about the government, although they are in favor of water charges. But the whole setup of Irish water has been grossly incompetent with a distinct arrogance toward public opinion and concerns. Which is unfortunately is how senior civil servants and politicians of all parties look down upon the rest of us. Just noisy rabble getting in the way..
THANK you.
No doubt you’ll be called a YFG shill for that comment though.
SHILL!!!
I take it you don’t listen to Newstalk.
Not any more. It’s less Newstalk, as the propaganda wing of IBEC.
Can’t stand snoozetalk stopped listening altogether when they bought the plank and they brought back ger knowitall gilroy on off the ball.
Yes. Clean water is a valuable resource and we should pay for it to help manage a scarce resource.
Scarce. Yeah.
On yar camel..