Davey T writes:
I’m seeing these “DAFT” ads too regularly now. Stopped just short of saying “parade naked in front of landlord for inspection”!
147 Brookwood Avenue, Artane, Dublin 5 (daft.ie)
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Jesus that’s bleak.
What is it with this fascistic fashion for private companies and traders to want your RSI number, which is surely a private matter between you and the State?
Every question is valid and necessary.
pps number is required by prtb, it shouldn’t be.
it’s required for the landlord also, to ensure they are tax compliant.
but you’re right, in that it should be given to the prtb, not an agent or landlord.
It’s the bank statements and payslips I’d take issue with.
why? It’s so they know you have a steady stream of income and can pay your bills each month
If I have a job, I have a steady stream of income. They can get that information from my employment reference. They don’t need to know what I’m spending where and when from my bank statement, and they don’t need to know my exact pay from my payslip. That’s just plain creepy.
Was that being rented to a survivalist? Ikea catalog on coffee table a nice touch.
It’s the state as in the prtb that want it , a legal requirement, landlord has no choice but to get it.
PRTB should then deal directly with the tenant, so the landlord doesn’t have any of these documents.
A more appropriate title for the ad would be: ‘Barely literate landlord has kip for rent.’
Always thought it would be great to somehow create a website(FB page) where people could link to live ads on Daft and leave comments on properties and or experiences (good and bad)with landlord or agency of property.
@swoon….watch this space.
great idea!
Done! facebook.com/daftadsondaft
People still use rent books?
You’re entitled to one if no lease is in place.
I always associate rent books with putting 50p in the meter.
In fairness, if I was renting out a property, I’d look for most of that stuff too, plus I’d like to “interview” any prospective tenants (although not in the nip obviously, as suggested above).
If it’s your house/apartment/kip, you need to know who you’re letting in is kosher, as in they can prove they’re the type of person who will keep the place clean and pay the rent on time.
you would ask for their payslips? recent bank statements? Are you shi**ting me? As someone who was a landlord until rescent, we had a very descent person in our place, and i judged her on meeting her, seeing her reference, talking to her reference and accepting that.
Never mind interviewing in the nip, I think you should ride all of your tenants at least once
Prima Nocta? Sounds about right for the housing situation in Dublin.
madness. I used to be a landlord, and we got what we needed for PRTB, name of tenant and a reference for us. That was it. – if a landlord asked me for my bank statements i’d punch him or her in the nose. There is no reason to be wanting most of this. If you register with PRTB and their details are passed over that is all that is needed. PARANOID Fuppary if you ask me (my new made up word today)
ps. that house is a Dive.
Was recently involved in finding tenants for an apartment a family member owns. Very much not a kip.
We asked parties who had viewed the apartment and said they wanted it for employer references for each tenant, and a previous landlord reference per tenant /couple.
Prospective tenants shouldn’t be asked for their PPS numbers until the lease is signed, collecting randomers PPS numbers to discuss a prospective tenancy is overkill.
However it seems that some people think that asking even for references is too much.
Bank statements, payslips, PPS numbers are too much. Asking a prospective tenants, who you may enter into a contract with to demonstrate their basic capacity to
Bah mobile keyboards. To finish my lengthy comment…asking prospective contracting parties to demonstrate they have employment indicative of some income stream to fulfill their part of the contract is due diligence. On the other side, tenants should ask landlords about how they run their business, query how things get fixed or what remedy processes are etc. If the landlord has other properties, ask about them and even try to talk to other tenants.
Basically, all landlords aren’t evil, all tenants aren’t evil. Some of both categories are so both sides should empower themselves within reason. No naked parading…
sorcha please delete this post as it is way too sensible.
I have never been asked by a landlord for my PPSN and every time I’ve moved home I have registered with the PRTB. Bank statement and payslips are a new one on me. Being asked for references is pretty standard.
When I registered as a landlord on the PRTB website there is a section for your tenants and it requires PPS numbers.
I assume this is for them to get rent relief? I only asked my tenants once they were in the door and if they did not want to provide it fair enough but they did without issue.
Why is the PRTB asking for the PPS numbers of tenants if not to be fully tax compliant?
Say you are a landlord and your tenants don’t pay their rent / trash your house, and then move on. If you (or PRTB) want to trace them a PPSN is very useful. Otherwise how do you identify someone? All you have is a name – no address!
If I were a landlord I’d be looking for a PPSN, Passport/Drivers licence, and a work payslip – so I could find you if I needed to.
Looks like a 70’s murder scene
This reads a lot like my match.com ad.
That place looks like it smells fantastic and probably has no issues with its drinking water at all.
As a landlord, I have now started asking for a copy of passport/driving licence, reference from previous landlord, reference from employer or payslip and if I chose them as the tenant, I have to get their PRSI number for the PRTB.
The reason I am asking for all of this is that one previous tenant who told me he was a courier was in fact a front man for two prostitutes. As you can imagine, the other tenants in the apartment block weren’t too keen with having lots of men parading up and down the stairs at all hours of the day and night. Obviously, I terminated the tenancy agreement with the guy when I found out what the apartment was being used for.
When I advertised the apartment again, I asked for all the info stated in the first paragraph. There was one foreign national who said he was a self employed taxi driver, so he couldn’t provide an employer’s reference nor payslips. I said that was fine but I would need his taxi drivers reference number/ID. He sent me an email with scanned copies of a previous landlord’s reference, his passport and his taxi drivers ID. Everything looked fine until I tried to contact the previous landlord, the telephone kept ringing out. The letter said that he had lived in a second floor apartment, when I looked at the address of the property on google maps, there were only terraced houses on the street. When I rang the taxi regulator, they had no one matching his name on their records and the ID number was no longer in use. Finally when I looked at the copy of his passport on my PC screen, it was obvious that he had altered the name, sex and photograph.
I have no idea who he really was or what his intentions were for my property. THAT is why landlords have to look for this kind of information.
Omg, bet it was 2 dogs standing on each others shoulders wearing a trenchcoat.
Thats happened to me before.
In your defence, the lighting in Coppers is brutal.
Bitches love a bit of Jimmy of a Friday eve
When you have experiences like that, its understandable.
Moved into a kip in Rathmines last May, what was previously a single-occupancy flat went from 650 to 850 a month for a couple (of desperate suckers like us) and gave my employment reference (stating where I worked and how long I’d worked there) and my previous landlord reference, attesting to my character and history of paying on time.
Jumped-up agent has the neck like a jockey’s to ring my employer and starts asking them questions about my character and whether they’d rent a property to me or not. My employer was embarrassed beyond belief and I was outraged. Couldn’t say much about it though – it’s a landlord’s market, after all. After signing the contract, I made a complaint to the landlord, but it was met with a bemused smile. The powerlessness of being a tenant in this country grinds me like little else.
I feel your pain Rodney.
Letting agents are the worst though.
Scumbags.
When you are letting a property to someone it is perfectly reasonable to ask someone to prove they are who they say they are and that they do the job they say they do. There are valid reasons for needing this information to protect an investment. I have no doubt that many of the renters who consider this stuff invasive would demand the very same if the roles were reversed.
so you’re against regulation of the rental market now Broadsheet?
This is the administrative hassle that comes with regulation.
The PRTB require PPS numbers ; Revenue require registration with the PRTB in order to claim interest expense.
Obviously the landlord shouldn’t require PPS numbers until everything else is all set but whining about this makes it look like you want to have your cake and eat it. Grow up
The fact that the rental market isn’t regulated is why people are complaining about this level of interference. Anyone can become a landlord and help themselves to a nose through your bank statements and collect all the personal data they want. If the market was regulated, there would be strict rules about what they could and couldn’t ask for and what they could and couldn’t do with that information.
Also, YOU grow up!
People get so bent up about their precious PPS number in this country.. ‘a nose through your bank statements?’… what?.. why would anyone be arsed?.. Get a grip.
The guy in the ad is arsed. He wants to know the ins and outs of your bank account. It’s a totally unnecessary invasion of privacy.
Reading the above I realise that we are blessed with our landlady, she’s the bees knees. Heating not working? Plumber arrives at the house in an hour or two. Our oven stopped working a while ago and the same afternoon she had an electrician around and so on and so forth.
Didn’t need to give her a reference, I did give her our PPS for the PRTB without issue.
@garthicus Same here. They’re not all bad. Some are, but not all.
There are serious data protection issues here. I guarantee you landlords are not fulfilling their legal obligations. http://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/rights/RightsPlainEnglish.htm&CatID=16&m=r
for clarity PTRB ask for pps numbers but they are not obligatory.
If I was going for a really beautifully decorated and maintained penthouse in Ballsbrige I might be prepared to consider giving the landlord that quantity of personal information (which is almost analagous to a mortgage application). However an ambitiously priced hovel in Artane? No way. It represents no significant investment by the landlord – it’s basically a slum. And the fact that they’re using that photo to advertise implies that they’ve no plans to make it livable between tenancies.
They have no right in law (or elsewhere) to request a lot of that information. Although, it’s likely they will go with someone else if you refuse to provide it (bank statements, payslips).
To make an application to rent an apartment in Germany you need:
– A copy of your passport or national identity card;
– If you’re a foreigner, and don’t have a German national id card, you’ll need to submit an officially stamped registration form that notes your German address (you queue for about four hours to get this form);
– Copies of your payslips for the past three months;
– A reference from your previous landlord
– A ‘rent arrears clearance certificate’ – which is an official form filled in by your previous landlord to the effect that you left that tenancy without any arrears;
– A Schufa – which is a form with your credit history in Germany on it;
– Optionally, you can note on the (long) application form any savings that you hold, and their value.
So the above is nothing! Nothing! Then again, if you rent an apartment in Germany, it’ll be spanking clean when you move in, freshly painted, probably large, bright, warm, dry, well-insulated, and not full of furniture from Bargaintown/stuff that got let behind when Granny died and nobody in the family wanted it cos it’s frickin hideous (you buy your own – stuff you actually want to live with!). And tenancies are open-ended – stay as long as you like! To get you out before you want to leave, the landlord will basically have to bribe you (I’ve met people who’ve been given €10,000 to leave their flat cos the landlord wanted it back) – if you don’t accept the bribe, there’s nothing they can do about it. And your rent can’t go up by more than a total of 12% (I think) over three (or five?) years, pegged to inflation. So yeah… handing over some forms in that case isn’t so bad…
And all the furniture will be made in Ikea by infant boys in Indonesia
Their small hands make for tidy work.
It’s coming up as a house share there. It could be the primary tenant requesting this info.