Behind The Eight


90377990Micheál Martin and Kitty Lee at the Fianna Fail Ard Fheis in the RDS, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4 on Saturday.

A motion opposing any repeal of the Eighth Amendment [the 1983 constitutional ban on abortion] was carried at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis at the weekend.

Deputy Chairperson of the Pro Life Campaign Cora Sherlock sez:

“Since its passing in 1983, the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Article 40.3.3) has meant that Irish women receive all necessary medical treatment during pregnancy and at the same time has ensured that the unborn child’s right to life is protected. The reality is that tens of thousands of people are alive today thanks to the Eighth Amendment.
Despite the abortion legislation introduced by Fine Gael in 2013 which permits abortion throughout the full nine months of pregnancy in the case of threatened suicide with no medical evidence to back it up, the Constitutional protection contained in the Eighth Amendment must be robustly defended.
It is imperative that Fianna Fáil now builds on this commitment and works toward the repeal of the unjust abortion legislation introduced by Enda Kenny in 2013.”


Overwhelming Support For Fianna Fail Motion Supporting The Retention Of The Eight Amendment (Pro-Life)

Previously: The Eight Amendment on Broadsheet

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61 thoughts on “Behind The Eight

  1. ahjayzis

    There’s literally no up-side to having FF in existence. Arch-conservatives, really. Everything in Ireland is fine, just tweak here, tweak there.

      1. Joe the Lion

        I can’t wait for the liberals to bring in all that men that can get preggers stuff so I can have an abortion

          1. ReproBertie

            Why would the LGBT agenda favour abortion? The harder it is to access abortion the more unwanted babies there are to sell to newlywed LGBT couples.

          2. Don Pidgeoni

            I meant men having abortions. I don’t know what I’m saying, I just taking the p*** out of news really

          3. Joe the Lion

            Because that’s what this referendum is REALLY about Reprobertie – haven’t you been listening to the Readings from the Book of David?

      2. Don Pidgeoni

        Aren’t you a fella? I’d say you’re unlikely to have an abortion without a uterus.

  2. YourNan

    endless supply of these inbred extremist bigots in this country. proof that idiocy is truly non-gender specific.

    1. newsjustin

      If you think people who are in favour of the protection of mothers and their unborn babies are “extremist bigots”, you really are out of touch with the real world.

      1. Joe the Lion

        ah yes but what about protection of fathers?

        a child needs a father and a mother you know!

          1. Joe the Lion

            that’s true

            I couldn’t afford a luxury granny when I was a wee lad and I feel so bad right now

          2. italia'90

            I got carried away and sold my granny for some Denny sausages. *sigh.

            I need some sausages!

            (Is that a Freudian slip?)

      2. nottoputtoofineapointonit

        except the protection of a mother’s right to choose whether or not she wants to be a mother right?

        That protection doesn’t count cause it’s not in your interpretation of an old book right?

      3. Jane

        How does forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy against her will protect her? Because even for a wanted pregnancy, it’s not easy and it’s not great for the old health. You do know preganncy doesn’t just mean you sit around for 40 weeks and then the baby somehow comes out easily and it’s like nothing ever happened?

      1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly

        Aaahhhh. God love her. Big agricultural head on her. Is she George’s daughter, I wonder?

  3. Don Pidgeoni

    “has meant that Irish women receive all necessary medical treatment during pregnancy”


        1. Odis

          I take it you are against the repeal of the 2013 Abortion Act. The work of the arch Liberal, and so called “progressive”, Enda Kenny, then Don?

          1. Don Pidgeoni

            I’m for a repeal if you are then going to implement an actual policy that works and has teeth. They made a complete hash of things where now noone gets what they want. Women are not receiving the correct medical care while pregnant, one was forced to carry a baby by medical dilly-dallying, completely unethical and inhumane.

            He is a gee-eyed gobshite as is the law.

  4. Wait For It

    “The reality is that tens of thousands of people are alive today thanks to the Eighth Amendment.”

    From where exactly is this figure obtained? Why do the anti-choice side think women would flock to hospitals to receive abortions if they had the chance rather than it being it a decision that is taken incredibly seriously by, for example, the numbers of women proven through actual empirical research who have to travel to England to obtain the procedure?

    1. pedeyw

      I wouldn’t put it past them to quote the figure of people born in Ireland since the eighth ammendment came in, though tens of thousands seems quite low for that.

      1. Joe the Lion

        they have binders full of women (who they’ve talked out of abortions I’d say)
        they have fingers in the “family counselling” pies you know – advertised in every chapel e.g. CURA
        don’t underestimate them

    1. Joe the Lion

      they’ve been talking about that for a while alright – apparently they think they can tap into the old SDLP vote
      also put manners on the Shinners etc.

      the UK is definitely the place for them

      1. Odis

        Oh Yeah!
        “The Eighth Amendment has protected us from the inhumane realities of abortion on request that can be seen in places like Britain where abortion has become all too acceptable for babies diagnosed with disabilities such as Down Syndrome.”

        I’m sure accusing the Brits of their own little “Action T4” would go down a storm there.

  5. phil

    ‘estimates suggest that around 40% of those who have ever lived did not survive beyond their first birthday’ , why not work on that before we start worrying about the humans that dont exist yet…

  6. Dubloony

    They intend repealing the legislation for the X case, required after Supreme court ruling 20 years ago?
    A political party will directly go against the supreme court ruling on constitutional matter?

    So many issues right there….not to mention lives of women, the tens of thousands who have “traveled” to UK.

    God, I am so tired of certain sections of our population. No attempt to understand why anyone makes those kinds of choices, nor to address underlying causes.Just the old authoritarian attitude. Go back under your rock guys.

    1. Joe the Lion

      thanks – I shall

      actually there was a very interesting article with Anne Connolly a veteral liberal campaigner in Totally Dublin magazine this month.

      a lot of folks would benefit from reading it (who post here)

      actually she was saying that name-calling the opposition in politics puts peoples backs up and makes them go back in their shell. fair fupping play in fairness – she sounds a lot like that bluebeard fella who posts here -but less sanctimonious

  7. Leela2011

    The Journal reported that only 30-40 members were present at the vote, which took place ‘well after the surrounding debate’:

    Not sure I’d take Cora’s version as gospel: ‘Prior to the vote being cast on this motion, Kildare member DJ Moore told delegates told that it does not rule out allowing terminations in certain circumstances but does reaffirm Fianna Fáil’s position as “pro-life”. Again, the vote is not binding.’

    Meh, if you are in favour of repealing the 8th, make sure FF candidates are aware that you aren’t happy with their position (even if you don’t intend voting for them!!)

  8. FF Informer

    I was at the are fheis. this motion was not taken during the health motions workshop and instead was tacked on to the end of the 5pm general motions workshop on saturday. The wording of the motion was “Fianna Fail agree not to repeal Article 40.3.3 of the constitution” , no explanation was given about what that article was , DJ Moore from North Kildare attempted to explain it but was cut off , the vote for this motion was on during the count for committee of 15 which would have loured a lot of delegates away , and a staunch group of pro lifers voted for the motion and it still barely passed.

    Do not take this as a reflection of FF as a whole, this was a calculated effort by one cumann / a group within FF to hold this position and it still barely got through

    1. Joe the Lion

      The real question is how it got on the agenda at all then. You’re all a pack of poo.

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