We are not.
The results of an online questionnaire concerning online news habits among Irish people conducted by the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism.
Peculiar, harrumph-making poll methodology here.
What are we doing WRONG?
Anyone for pity’s sake?
Ireland Digital report Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism
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Honestly? Your mobile version of the site is terrible and unusable, especially when there are those god awful front pages of the newspapers that take twenty minutes to load. Many people get there newspaper fix while travelling using their phones and a data connection/shitty WiFi – make it easier for them.
agreed, fix the mobile site / app
Singingdetective and noncanonicalpokemon, all noted. Thanks.
I’ve been moaning about the papers for years :(
just the papers?
No worries, Bodger, only commented because I love the site. Maybe just make the papers and other large picture sets like Imgur i.e. ‘Click here to load all images’.
The thing you do better than any other Irish site is drill down into complex issues and make ‘Cliff Notes’ that we normals can read. Legal Coffee Drinker is a great example. Look at John Oliver and Last Week Tonight and how it’s taken over the Daily Show through the long-form examination of issues and take that as example of how you can beat Buzzfeed and the Journal.ie and their gif and top ten click-bait articles.
And get rid of Moynes
+1
+2
No! Add the ability to upvote comments so the dross gets red-carded to the bottom of the slime where it belongs
Buzzfeed? Really?
Condolences Broadsheet but on the plus side, it’s heartening to see the Daily Mail Online so far down this list. Gives us all hope.
or no-one *admits* to reading the Mail…
I assume this is a joke?
I Don’t see r eddit there either
Of course reedit isn’t there. The difference between how people on reddit and people not on reedit view reddit is pretty stark.users think result is the most popular and important site there is, the rest of the world see it for the (admittedly large) niche angry white sexist nerd convention that it is.
Wouldn’t really call broadsheets a news site. If I was asked to name my top 10 news sites I’d not mention you though I visit you every day. Your second article right now on line is a twins cartoon. 3rd is a poorly parked cars. Fun but not really news.
in fairness ‘not really news’ covers most of the content of buzzfeed/Indo/TheJournal/HuffPost etc and so on
You could start with sone house keeping, for starters get rid of the “Sure where you get it” tripe.
there is no ‘sure where you get it’ feature here. there is however, a ‘sure, where would you get it’ feature though which you are free to ignore.
The answer to ‘What are we doing wrong?’ generally isn’t ‘WHO CARES IGNORE IT’
I hate football on telly / radio – they’re free to ignore me though since there’s still a market for it.
I like the purty pictures.
who says it’s wrong and needs changing?
Broadsheet did when they said
What are we doing WRONG?
Anyone for pity’s sake?
Now that was obviously Facetious but it has set the tone.
You know, that’s a better limerick than most of Moynes’ efforts. When can you start?
I love Sure Where Would You Get It.
In fairness it’s hard to troll those posts but I’m sure you’ve tried.
Does this men the rest of Ireland doesn’t really care about badly parked cars or lost property or missing pets?
Hell mend them…
Ah, poor BS – you could adopt the same stance as they have at the Journal and get loads of SF councillors and TDs to comment, then you could fix the green thumbs to show how popular they are, which, in turn will encourage the rest of SF HQ to comment and post links to the journal on their personal FB pages, thereby creating click bait; however, I like you as you are :)
+1916
Zara is right.
Please don’t go down the thumb route.
bs could have a tag on commentators who post regularly on the journal and then come on here with their nonsense. a big oul mickey or somesuch.
I don’t think it would work; they’d just deny they were ever on the Journal, then they’d play the victim and call for the authorities to investigate such slanderous allegations and start accusing other decent BS commenters from the plinth – under BS Privilege, of course.
I would guess that most users don’t see BS necessarily as a news source, but as their prefered blog/community/current affairs site. There is an identity issue when you start comparing yourselves with pure news sites.
…on the plus side, Broadsheet kicked the butts of ALL of the Irish ones with the [redacted] story, and that will not be forgotten easily.
Despite their best efforts
Yahoo News?
You’re not a news website.
Things to cut down on…
1. Was it for this?
2. FIGHT
3. Defiant “etc etc”
4. Sure where would you get it?
Might be a start?
5. We don’t normally do this…
6. Pets dressed up
saturated fats
Squee
More squee
No, BS, don’t listen to them!
+1
+1
+1 more for good measure !
+1 to yours and the ones above
I’ll see you and raise you +2
Lets go cheesy, it fits here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBQdf2ZlDR0
(hope it parses)
If you don’t like these items, I can’t really understand why you look at Broadsheet at all.
“online news habits” – the current front page of BS has a car on Grafton Street, a giant door in Antwerp (with ‘apparently’ in the title), two comic strips, a movie trailer, two boats, and some twitter posts.
You’re surprised by this ‘news habits’ survey not including you?
People don’t come here for news. We come to rant, moan, argue, sympathise and find our bikes.
Are bikes genuinely found from posts on BS?
No, but we all sympathise.
Do we?
Don’t you try get me on a rant here Loadameballs!! All you NO voters are the same.
Some are, yes.
There was one confirmed find, if I do recall correctly :)
aye, the green one.
ya couldn’t miss it, in fairness.
Once
That reminds me, there’s a Blue Moon next month.
Well you’re not a news site, but you know that. Since whoever is driving Chompsky today is watching though here goes:
Outdated tech in comments section – lack of basic editing, any formatting past html and comment apocalypse when anything is deleted. 10 last commented is terrible to catch up on discussions.
Large posts such as papers and transcriptions are printed in full without a ‘click for more’ which makes scrolling painful on the desktop version.
I’ve said it before but there’s definitely something wierd happening with popular posts when the Cave of Three Bridges STILL Makes an appearance. Unless that’s linked to in a r eddit front page post, it shouldn’t be showing up and makes me wonder whats going on with the tech in popular posts.
Then there’s the clickbaity stuff, but sure thats a seperate issue
Completely agree on the ‘click for more’ on the today’s paper posts. Absolute pain to scroll through. Also makes it harder for me to have a sneaky look in work.
+1
Again, totally agree with the massive text articles that you have to scroll past to get to the next piece.
And also agree with the above comments on having an updated comments section, less white backgroud as its hard to tell when one item ends and the next begins.
Also a mobile platform that works.
I think a bit of work needs to be done on the comments section alright, some sort of basic log-in would be an idea, or at least tying a particular username to the email address provided to avoid people using other users’ names. If readers could be guaranteed their chosen username wouldn’t be used by others, that would build a bit of trust.
Generally a good site though.
Oh, and an editing function would be welcome.
I wouldn’t want to appeal to any demographic that wanted RTE News and/ or Yahoo News as their primary news feeds anyhow. I wouldn’t feel too jilted Broadsheeters.
RTE’s news site is gone shockingly bad, I can’t honestly believe they are still top.
“has gone” – When was it ever not shockingly bad?
On a more serious note, and in the name of all that is holy, just why is the Indo’s website doing so well?
It is awful; a car-crash of a website, littered with typos and literals in headlines and copy.
I presume the majority of the traffic it generates is for breaking news but most of the time its news reports are so badly written they are practically unreadable.
As for the reporters – and I use the term loosely – Jesus wept. They seem to struggle with the basic facts, eg yesterday, one of their ilk had claimed the balcony in Berkeley had fallen to the ground when the photograph on the website quite clearly showed that this was not the case.
And it’s not as if this oversight could be blamed on racing to get the story online – I read their report at 8pm last night, a good eight hours after news of the tragedy broke and plenty of time to correct any factual errors.
It seems to me the Indo just slaps any old rubbish online without properly checking it first. Sadly, it looks like they’re getting away with it…
Indo is promoted through social media click-bait. Posts condemning Irish Water filled my Facebook feed when the protests were getting heated. They know how to pull people to their site, even though it’s complete drivel.
Further to that, they also report on everything. There are pro- and anti- posts to any stance you can take, and they are all belligerent nonsense. But that’s perfect for spamming social media, because you’ll always have a friend who gets outraged at belligerent nonsense.
As I was saying about how badly written indo.ie is, this is the headline on their main story on right now…
‘Berkeley tragedy: Survivor thanks seriously-injured GAA star for breaking her fall…’
Seriously injured is not a compound adjective, therefore no need for the hyphen…
This is a common mistake. Eejits.
Ah they don’t care, most of their readers are borderline illiterate.
Maybe that’s a new feature Broadsheet could provide. Pedantic criticism of Irish Independent headlines.
With the title “Indepedant”.
It practically writes itself.
I got a new Samsung work phone recently and Indo shortcut comes up when you click on t’inernet
Google how to delete cookies for the love of … d’interwebs
…don’t worry Broadsheet…the survey was conducted in Jan/Feb this year…..long before you became N̶o̶.̶1̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶D̶e̶n̶i̶s̶’̶ ̶h̶i̶t̶l̶i̶s̶t̶ media darlings and fearless digital warriors…
You need to post more stuff along the lines of “And you won’t believe what happened next…”
When He Posted This, I Had No Words
It looked like she was finished, but then she said something I never expected.
“Does my bum look good in this” ?
I’d visit almost all of the sites on that list, but not directly. I always get there through Google News or links on Twitter. I never go directly to the front page of BBC or RTE or The Irish Times. You’re not going to get into Google News, sure, but it’s rare that I see any Broadsheet links on Twitter. If you want to get into that list you might have to become a primary source of news. Or do more odious social media campaigns. Or narrow your focus. Or don’t worry too much about those lists and keep doing what you do. (I’m fine with that).
Check out the comment system on the Guardian and steal it. It’s great.
Generally I’d like to see BS be a bit more social-media-y, with user profiles (not photo albums and stuff, but articles we’ve commented on etc.), a bit like QueerID back in the day.
Commenting archives? Hell, no.
Agree. The more people start investing in their amazing “personas” the more fkn insufferable they become.
+1
I’ve gotta say, I really like the more anonymous nature of the comments here. It’s not quite 4chan but the lack of registration is a thing you don’t generally find many other places.
+1
Someone is impersonating me
bravo :)
WTF?!? My head hurts!
It’s all this empty space here, boss.
Go on, admit it.
What’s going on here then?
Quiet you or I’ll wake Mani
+1 BS is my sneaky go to site in work.
We can’t use Facebook or twitter (‘cos that would look like we’re not busy).
Having a looser commenting policy is useful.
Noooo, I love the anonymity, but a simpler way of going back to a conversation thread you were in would be handy.
I’d rather not remember most of what I’ve said on here though…
Check out the comment system on the Guardian and steal it
Errr… what does that mean on a practical level? Provide a platform for racism, misogyny and misandry, sit back and let it explode? No thanks!!
BS is the only news source that regularly runs stories of corruption in Irish society, and fair play. So much better than the gormless, chicken sh1t sheep across the rest of the Irish media.
My 2 cents; encourage whistle-blowers and break a MEGA story. (Also may require choosing an ISV offshore?)
Apart from Denis (which RTE broke but have been legally prevented from running), name one other story about corruption that broadsheet have run that has not been covered by another news source.
+1 to that!
Fr. Molloy murder – covered in more detail than anywhere else
Kate Fitzgerald suicide – broke the story with assistance from her parents
Dr. Julien Mercille – most extensive anti-austerity, anti-property boom articles in Irish media
…..tho shalt not speak ill of the ‘Sheet……
Fr Molloy has been covered a fair amount in the intervening years. Mercille is a blog that they republish.
I’ll give you Kate Fitzgerald alright , although it’s not actually corruption, but point taken.
Rotide, if there was an ignore button, I’d use it on you. You’re always here bellyaching, you don’t seem to like BS much – I suspect you’d be more at home in Journal.ie – but you’re always feckin here.
+ In-depth analysis from the Coffee Drinker
The analysis by LCD is actually brilliant, and seriously needed in an Irish context. Not news, but unique and valuable.
Rotide, the Julien Mercille’s weekly column is written for the ‘sheet and not republished from a blog.
Not wishing to be defensive….BUT we have done some hours on the Garda stuff, Magdalenes, symphisiotomy, direct provision, the nefarious influence of the Communications Clinic among other subjects when they were whatever the opposite of clickbait is. FIGHT!
That’s told me. I stand corrected.
Maybe that’s the point? I very rarely post and I’m the only one here mentioning the “real” journalism, bit weird?
Perhaps highlight the articles that are original works and they’ll get more posts on FB, LI, that Twitter thing etc.
And do some original infrographs, I luv me inforgraphs, so I do.
1) The Garda who parked in the bike-lane (police corruption)
2) The dogs with yes badges (political corruption)
3) The post-colonial view of the nation (corruption of reality)
My biggest beef? The newspapers. I agree with rotide above regarding the Click for more approach. I really don’t want to see the bleedin’ newspaper front pages and don’t really get why people coming to this site would want to either.
Other than that, I like the mix of occasional serious journalism ([redacted] etc.) with the other bonkers stuff you bring from around the web. More of that please.
Yes this.
It’s all about the mix. That’s what makes Broadsheet Broadsheet. Change nothing. No edit function in comments. No sneaky social media manipulation. Stay honest. Stay weird.
exactly. bs, you asked are you hot? you guys are so hot i’m sweating just typing this.
I don’t think you need to change. if you’re going through an identity crisis remember that the stuff you do post like ” “sure where would you get it”,”Fight” and “etc etc” are exactly what make the site great. Forget the others and concentrate on being you BS!! Plus the transcripts are great to read on topics, Can;t be listening to head phone in work……unfortunately.
The transcripts are great. Obviously a LOT of work goes into that, and the talks transcribed are very well picked.
Sorry Zara, I’m back to me good old self.
Whew! That’s a relief, the last thing I want is to be mistaken for an intellectual – I have a reputation to uphold after all ;)
Using mobile app Canberra very frustrating at times. Otherwise fine.
Are you being a Sydney billy or just taking the Perth?
he cairns help it
Alice Springs
Adelaide comment but a good one.
It’s getting a bit Darwinian here
Ayers to you, mate!
This is a perfect example of people hanging on to old media, RTE, the times and the Indo are top three which is nonsense.
What are you doing wrong?
the only thing you’rem doing wrong in this instance is looking at a ranking of news sites and wondering why you aren’t higher on the list.
You are not a news site.
Aren’t breakingnews.ie and the Irish Examiner one and the same content? Funny they differentiate in that survey….
Less of the gay agenda.
if there was gay on your back, would you pull him off?
There is NO gay agenda, can’t you uptight HETROS get that through your thick numbskulls?
IT is a gay MANEFESTO.
There, that wasn’t hard, was it?
How sexist. A WOMANifestation of the PATriarchy
Pat said your agenda is gay.
Gay as a gay woman on gay pills on the gay train to gayville after a vaudeville show (wink)
I went from visiting your site at least once a day to, at best, once a fortnight. This was caused by the change to your web-site which meant that, as I scroll down, I see grey boxes which then resolve into the actual pictures. Very frustrating!
You are the only site I know that does this. Please, please fix it!
I love this site and I don’t think you need to change what you do at all. But he’s not wrong about the grey boxes :-)
That, I believe is a deliberate measure to help with page load speed. Loading the images as they come into view means that for people on a crap connection the page loads quicker.
Are you really surprised?
This is a questionnaire concerning online news habits, you guys could hardly call yourselves a news website.
I see Broadsheet as a place to go for pictures of stuff that’s happening in Ireland (‘where else would you get it’ ect) and occasionally transcripts of a particularly heated Vincent Brown i may have missed.
If you want to be taken more seriously as a news source you need to actually start reporting things as they are going on, before someone reads about it on the Journal or Irish Times and stop just taking your content from other sites (webcomics, boredpanda, reddit to name a few)
1. site is impossible to navigate. need to be easier able to find more stories similar to X rather than clicking on the tags
2. inconsistency in article lenght. like fifty photos from a fashion mag and then a hilarious tweet
3. your actual news stories are a rarity, rather than a feature of this site.
4. can’t log in as an actual user to comment. has to be saved in cookies. ridic
5. your actual commentary on current events only obliquely seeps out. spit it out and have done with it
6. redesign. even Mercille’s comments are obviously copied and pasted from an email
7. you’re not actually serious, are you?
Sky News being that high says it all…you’re not comparing like with like, not by an Irish mile.
You’re always hot to me BS, and fallible, and real…. *hugs*
Reasons?
– Not a news Site
– You use WordPress, WORDPRESS?!
– More pictures than text
– Silly commeting system
– Bad Mobile app
Nothing wrong with WordPress.
What is this website for?
Why are we here?
Why do we ask pointless questions?
The fact that you have to ask that …
Who is anything?
This site is here …..
for the disenfranchised
for the unheard
for those who need sympathy as they try to suppress the media
for poor ejiets like me who need LCD to explain the intricacies~ of the law
for parents who need to get the story of their dead child out on a media platform
for John in London who did not see *that* political interview last night
for Biddy in Belgravia who cannot get ToadyFM on t’internet
for uni lecturers who fancy chucking a few lines out to Biddy and John
for sarcastic gobshites
for trolls
for those who like to wind up gaelgors
for d’gays and the trannies and d’wummen and equality
for [REDACTED 2] to pretend to be ABM
for [REDACTED 3] to pretend to be [REDACTED 4]
for sh1t and giggles
for brutal PUNS
for all the fun the comments can become
Thanks for the giggles :)
Clearing some of the stuffy old regulars from the comment section would help get this place freshened up. Seems like the same 5 or 6 tired individuals commenting on every post and jerking each other off like some sort of lame version of FYAD on something awful 10 years ago. Getting a bit old man stink in here.
The posts are great though. Just the comment sections need a good airing out.
Seems to be the same problem on every news site with comments.
I stopped even looking at breaking news.ie because there was one nutter who commented first on every page who set the angry tone for every comment that followed.
Techcrunch moved to Livefyre, same as Belfast Telegraph.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/22/we-want-you-back/
Perhaps the ability to Time out / pause commenters for a week might help cool the jets a bit. But I generally not find it as bad here as other sites. Y’all are generally a smart funny bunch.
As for the nutters that hang out on the Irish Times comments section…
Awww… was someones feelings hurt cos they were called out for being a little trolly-troll? :)
Long time voyeur, first time commenter.
Don’t ever change. You have assembled a great community here. I know that broadsheet will always have the right distraction in the middle of the day or an explainer for big news events
Yup, agreed.
It explains a lot that the Irish Times online and the Journal.ie are level pegging. Jennifer O’Connell is churning out the same old guff for the former that she did for the latter.
Time to fire the Polly Filler feminists from Tara Street. Who wants to advertise in a newspaper that’s little better in content and campaigning polemic than a student newspaper.
Same guff that she also churned out for the SBP. Yawn.
I’m at home today, (in Clapham), with a broken arm so I’m angry. But I’m more angrier still at those who say BS isn’t a news site. Let’s take the tabs from irishtimes.com and do a quick comparison check;
News – BS covers the headlines and has insights on real issues, (as outlined above by Chompsky)
Sport – I prefer to actually watch sports and see goals instead of reading about transfer deals, so meh…
Business – BS keeps on top of scandals and all that is insanely rong
Opinion – BS offers alternative to mainstream, eg Dr. Mercille
Life & Style – BS has loads; cool architecture, photography, fashion, gadgets…..
Culture – Nialler9’s gig of the week, trailer of the week, cool upcoming events, all the Bloom’s Day stuff….
Gers, Dublin01, Delta Other, rotide, Stephen – please point out how BS is not a news website
rotide is just kept as proof that we are tolerant of everyone, event idiots …(sorry rotide I do love you!)
Came for the hoop, got clamped, stayed for the biscuits
:)
Should I be getting annoyed about this too? I feel nothing. Are these even real Anger Tablets?
More investigative journalism (LCD, timelines etc.), less clickbaity nonsense / filler material.
I come here for light relief yet enjoy your tangental take on major news stories. I like to see the newspaper front pages but a ‘click to see all’ button would vastly improve the experience – same for any photo-heavy story. And as others have said, the lazy loading of images drives me crazy, please get rid of that.
“Tangental”? I thought the referendum settled that.
Is that some sort of a jazzle… with a tan
Well I love you – does that help at all?
And news websites are run by actual journalists.
and what about the journal?
Be happy you’re not on any list where the chronically awful Indo website is deemed hot.
Broadsheet is a niche site for the discerning user. You could start worrying about hits or you could just keep on keeping it honest. When it matters, you have more journalistic integrity than all the websites on that list put together. I love Broadsheet, your day in the sun will come.
Newish visitor to BS but very much enjoy it. Love the format, from the short and to the point news flash’s to longer more in depth articles. Love “Sure, where would you get it”, funny pets to poor car parking to unusual weather. Love the comments format, anon comments, the lack of green and red thumbs and “likes” and all that poo. Like the lack of ads, the fast page loading, simple colour scheme and that pages are only 10 articles in length before using another page. Broadsheet.ie, you have character, a strong sense of self identity and long may you stay this way.
,,,and all that poo!
I LOL’d I did.
Here Clamps…now is a good time to ask your ‘mate’ John Gallen to post a new picture of the Broadsheet snazzy award from last year….unless it’s been sold o’ course for EP tickets…….
Hire Sam Smyth.
Will you pay him? How does Broadsheet make money, I don’t see any ads.
Viral morkeshing?
Grateful ex-bicycle owners?
Concessions to gigs and lunch and stuff.
How much is he asking?
Clickbait reposts it is so… Yay!
I seriously have no idea how they make money. I was told once upon a time that being too ad heavy would make it seem too ‘sellout’ but surely were all fine with running more ads ? I know I wouldn’t mind and i complain about EVERYTHING.
What? You mean incessant YES EQUALITY pictures of cats and dogs and bad parking aren’t a big draw? Fancy.
“Are we hot?” Sure: Sh1t hot.
One of the great things about Broadsheet in an online world full of hot air and self-promotion, is that when people come here to comment, they’re genuinely engaged, just shooting the breeze, and intelligently for the most part. Keep it real Broadsheet, ignore the ridiculous polls.
+1
Needs more Beef Tribunal
You should do a project with group of journalism, marketing and it students, and develop a proper user friendly app.
I enjoy the content, and agree the red thumb/green thumb thing is a loada shite-but the layout is not pleasant. Its the one thing I like about the journal, small pic with brief synopsis, as opposed to massive pictures. Fucking HATE all the scrolling down before ye get a sniff of the article. Good work otherwise, and kudos for the two fingers up to DOB during threats of litigation.
Shower of whingebags.
Opinion polls are useless, who still watches RTE FFS.