68 thoughts on “A Confederacy Of Dunces

  1. jeremy kyle

    If we’ve learned anything from the North it’s that any fervour over what flags you can and can’t put up is ultimately a waste of time.

    1. Lan

      Yep, its not like taking down a flag is going to automatically make the racism in the south disappear. Its just gonna make a large number of people feel as if they’re being attacked for the way they choose to self-identify.

  2. Francesco

    Wind Jammer apparently said last night that they’d be taking down the most offensive one…

    1. The Old Boy

      Knowing the Jammer’s crowd, the St George’s Cross has most to fear by that remark.

  3. Clampers Outside!

    America finally wakes up to it’s continued promotion of it’s apartheid past and its racist “heroes”

    ….OR…

    US retailers panic over potential backlash over racist motivated murders and avoid bad PR by pretending to be self aware all of a sudden.

    1. Lan

      Is it really promotion of their racist past? I mean lots of flags can be associated with really dark times.

      Theres some communities who associate our flag with terrorism or attacks and repression but it doesnt mean that to us.

      1. pedeyw

        It pretty much is, yeah. That flag was specifically designed for the confederate states who went to war because they refused to end slavery.

        1. Parp

          “..who went to war because they refused to end slavery.”

          Sure they did. And the war in Iraq was never about oil.

          1. Pedeyw

            It’s pretty well established. The six states that seceded owned something like 48% of slaves in the Us. Their economies would have been devastated because they relied on non paid workers on their cotton plantations.

      2. Medium Sized C

        Yes.

        The reason the confederacy wanted to part ways with the US is because they wanted to keep slaves.

        1. scottser

          only difference between them was the north had a steady stream of irish and german immigrants to work for for next to nothing. the union flag was just as demeaning as the confederacy.

      3. Clampers Outside!

        It is, yes… it’s not just the flag…. there are cities and towns of South Carolina where they have their “heroes” of the Confederate Army – racists and slave owners and advocates for slavery – celebrated in place names and streets…. and watching the news, CNN past couple of days, it looks like that state is coming under pressure to drop these…. proper order.

  4. Liam Deliverance

    Cynical publicity stunt I presume. At least the Irish tricolour is at “half mast”, possibly as a sign of shame from the flag erector?

    Anyway, the Windjammer is an absolute kip. I wouldn’t go in there even if the terrible “beverages” that they serve in dirty glasses were free. Staff are rude, the toilets are filthy and the clientele are a bunch of ignorant baboons. Avoid at all costs.

  5. Tony

    I love the way if the yanks have to choose between blaming lax gun laws or a flag, they’re suddenly on an anti confederate flag crusade, something which they never showed the littlest interest in before… not that it’s not due, it is, but it’s a distraction from the real issue, like blaming mass shootings on video games instead of lax gun laws, missing the point.

    1. pedeyw

      I get the feeling that the same people defending the lack of gun control are also defending the flag.

          1. Neilo

            To say nothing of the Black Crowes. You can have my Allman Bros when you pry them from my old, drunk hands…dagnabbit.

    1. pedeyw

      I wouldn’t call it outrage, but it is interesting that people in the southern states of the US are realising that the flag that represented the confederacy, that fought to keep slavery, might be a bit racist.

    2. Medium Sized C

      Yes.
      This is suddenly offensive, yet all the confederate flags waved at Cork GAA matches, or even worn on the helmet of one of their best hurlers, has never been offensive to the majority.

      1. pedeyw

        It’s more like a recent realisation. You can change your mind based on information that’s new to you, it doesn’t mean you have somehow lost.

      2. Gav D

        Have to say, as someone who visits Youghal semi-regularly, its always freaked me out more than a bit.

        1. Frilly Keane

          Oh grow up

          The Stars n’Bars have been flying over the Rebels since the Black n’Tans burnt them out

          Also. Incidentally.
          The Black n’Tans burning all the team gear is why Cork now wear the Blood n’Bandages

          There was also a Cork / Southern Brigade in the Confederate Army. I have a replica of their colours.
          I’ll always salute the Stars n’Bars

          Loud n’Proud
          And always
          A Rebel

          Corcaigh Abu

          1. pedeyw

            Ah yes, the old “grow up” response, always a good way to belittle people who point out uncomfortable truths.

          2. Frilly Keane

            I’m not uncomfortable
            Not in the slightest

            In fact I sarong a stars n’bars t’meself still on big days

            An’with a bitta luck
            Ûck’it
            a hape of the stuff
            Let’s be honest ’bout it

            There’ll be a few outings yet this season

            Corcaigh Abu

            n’if you want’ta read more into why I’ll always salute this Flag
            Then lad
            You do need to grow up

          3. Frilly Keane

            Here Bertie
            ‘Dunno why you’re getting up my arse about this

            Cork people adopted this flag almost a century ago

            Wanna’ know what I miss most about Cork?

            Welcome To Cork
            Home of the Dixies

          4. Joe the Lion

            The night they drove oul Dixie down

            So you make time for the racism in the evenings then father?

          5. pedeyw

            It’s pretty straight forward. The confederacy left the union because they wanted to keep slavery. The stars and bars represents the confederacy, not Cork, despite what you’d like to think. You’re definitely engaging in some wilful ignorance.
            Now, please explain to me why I need to “grow up” and if it’s all the same to you try to refrain from the patronising with the “my lad” stuff.

          6. ReproBrertie

            I’m not getting up your arse at all Frilly. More of a jokey nudge in the ribs with a gentle slagging about the history of the label “Rebel Cork”.

      3. rotide

        As much as I like to poo poo anything coming out of the peoples republic, calling them racist because of the stars and bars is ridiculous.

        They’re from cork, not georgia.

    1. bisted

      We went out there on our honeymoon
      Says she to me “If you don’t come soon
      I’ll have to get in with the hairy baboons”
      Up in the zoological beer garden

  6. veritas

    The stars and bars was the flag of the confederate states and was a red bar then a white bar then another red bar with a blue square with a ring of stars in the canton.The flag shown is the confederate battle flag adopted during the civil war fought to maintain the right to keep slaves and was called the stainless banner.It is rightly seen by many as a flag of hatred.

  7. Parochial Central

    So why not go INTO the Wind-Jammer and complain in person instead of taking a picture with a mobile phone, uploading it, and then cycling to your sales job in Silicon Docks?

    Oh right, a Broadsheet whinger would last about 10 seconds in there.

    No balls.

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