At The Minister’s Discretion

at

Screen Shot 2015-07-17 at 10.19.55

Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald

Don’t do a ‘Merkel‘.

Yesterday, the Supreme Court said the Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald was entitled to make an order for the deportation a Nigerian mother and her eight-year-old son.

The boy was born in Ireland and has lived here all his life.

“The Minister, “as a matter of humanity”, might consider how she exercises her discretion concerning the orders, [Supreme Court Justice] Peter Charleton observed.”

“Adjourning the matter to October, Mr Justice John MacMenamim said the court would be “interested to see what happens in the meantime”….

Minister entitled to affirm deportation orders for woman and son (Irish Times)

Yesterday: Tomorrow Doesn’t Belong To You

Rollingnews.ie

Sponsored Link

40 thoughts on “At The Minister’s Discretion

  1. Clampers Outside!

    He’s here 8 years ffs!

    That kid’s got more entitlement to be here than non-domicile tax dodgers like Denis O’Brien for Christ sake.
    The system failed, now the system should allow him to stay.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        By the looks of the kid’ll be 9 by the time this is sorted.

        It’s that simple, the system failed. And as a result, that child is now this countries responsibility, and has been for nearly nine years. Tough nuts if people don’t like it, it’s a failure of immigration / refugee status affirmation, and as decent human beings we have to accept that responsibility.

        1. The People's Hero

          I very much agree with you however but in 2004, we as a nation voted for the amendment to the Constitution to permit this kind of thing….

          1. Clampers Outside!

            I’ll also add, that when people voted, they were not told that the system of immigration checks / refugee status affirmation would take years and years …almost a decade in this case.

            No one voted for that.

          2. Kieran NYC

            Should be repealed, along with the 8th.

            AND we have to learn to stop putting every fupping thing in the Constitution.

    1. Anomanomanom

      Well it doesn’t work like that. A friend of ours who came here, from Angola,when she was 3months old, She’s now 25, went to school here and worked legally since 16 and paid for her own college had to go back to Angola because she could not find her original birth certificate to prove her age. She needed this cert to apply for her citizenship. Her whole family already done this. If she didn’t leave she was told she would be classed as illegal. That’s after 25 years living here and 9 years working paying tax. She’s now in Angola unable to leave has unfortunately the record keeping is a bit backward and then can’t find any proof of her.

  2. Zuppy International

    Denying someone access to the land of their birth. That’s a lovely Blueshirt.

  3. Drogg

    If they deport this family then none of us are really safe from deportation as if he was born here and has lived here for 8 years how can you deport him to a country he has no connection to? Come on for once lets not embarrass this country and do the right fupping thing.

  4. Custo

    I don’t understand how somebody born in ireland, who has never lived anywhere else in his life is NOT an Irish citizen.

    1. Clampers Outside!

      According to the Mr Justice Charlton there’s nothing to see here, as he says “while the child had become habituated to Irish ways over almost nine years, he could also become habituated in another country”

      A fine example of I dunno… was a dcik head word…. I’ll go with wnakerface

          1. Dόn Pídgéόní

            No no, Carlton’s are great, its the Charltons that are the problem.

            Any excuse for that video though eh? :)

    2. scottser

      ask michael mcdowell and the 90% of irish gobsh1tes that removed the right to citizenship for children born here of non-national parents in 2004.

      1. Ms Piggy

        Yes exactly. This child is PRECISELY who that referendum was about. I hope everyone who voted for it is proud of themselves now.

        1. ollie

          removing the right to citizenship for children born here of non-national parents was the correct thing to do. African asylum seekers were using this loophole and arriving here about to give birth. If this chils is here for 8 years the mother must have launched appeal after appeal, this is another loophole that needs to be closed.

          However the Minister can use her discretion and in this case she has chosen not to. Says more about her as a human than the rights or wrongs of legislation.

          1. cluster

            ‘African asylum seekers were using this loophole and arriving here about to give birth.’

            No, there was a perception of this – largely spun by the FF/PD govt.

            Perhaps it was true but I certainly never saw any convincing statistics to demonstrate this.

      2. Clampers Outside!

        People voted and believed the govt would provide a system for refugee status that works.

        In this instance it has failed, and the failure dragged on for nearly ten years.

        No one voted for that.

  5. mike

    How on earth can it take 8 years to decide if the mothers claim for asylum is valid or not? The claim is based on her circumstances in 2007 and earlier. The facts must have been established by now.

    The only suggestion in the comments above is that there have been a series of appeals. As the voters enacted the amendment in 2004 to prevent “pregnancy” being a condition for accepting asylum seekers, I don’t think they want “elapsed time” or “ongoing appeals process” to be a condition for accepting either.

  6. Jake38

    The real issue here, completely ignored of course by the media/chattering classes, is that it has taken the Irish justice “system” at least 9 years to adjudicate this ladys case. This is the standard level of performance. If any private enterprise, or indeed any other arm of the public service, provided the same level of expense and delay as the Irish justice “system”, it would be burnt to the ground.

    1. dereviled

      … and for de laff, here’s “Mr Kebabs” on the subject…
      http://www.irishtimes.com/news/lenihan-blames-barristers-for-delays-in-asylum-appeals-1.925391
      As mentioned above we had a referendum and wrote restrictions into our constitution (England, for instance, doesn’t have a single written constitution which allows elected governments greater flexibility for updates and amendments- and for revisions as per legal precedents or public response)
      Isn’t it ironic dontcha think how little we care as we all benefited from the illegal Irish emigrants to America. (And elsewhere, of course, wherr we were not called illegal)
      I would suggest there are signed documents detailing our humanitarian duties or commitments, maybe even with quotas and percentages, as part of an understanding considering the structural funds we received since joining the EU.

  7. Chris

    As I commented on here before there is no birthright in this country unless you’re something of a pure blood. And we did it by referendum in 2004, gleefully I might add. So now we have it these poor people who technically aren’t from anywhere and live in the shadows. To quote Chelsea fans who pushed a black man from a train in France ‘we’re racist and that’s the way we like it!’. Sorry folks it’s in the constitution.

  8. Everybody in Ireland

    This is unfortunate but the mother and child should go because they lost their asylum case. The crime is that it took so long to come to a decision. This inefficiency is going to have a huge impact on the child’s life, not to mention it’s also wildly expensive for the Irish state. The legal profession have a very strong financial incentive to maintain this status quo.

    I think Ireland should help asylum seekers at genuine risk. Economic migrants can apply for a visa.

Comments are closed.

Sponsored Link
Broadsheet.ie