Model Rosanna Davison and husband Wesley Quirke at Electric Picnic 2015
Further to the recent brouhaha surrounding Rosanna Davison’s thoughts on cleaner living.
Lois writes:
Can Rosanna the vegan drink cider and what about the Wes low carb cure …sugar it can’t be…
FIGHT!
Electric Picnic 2015: Lights go out on dazzling weekend of music and fun (Irish Mirror)
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People still allow themselves the odd drink. Much as I think they’re the devil, it’s really not a story.
The real story is the demise of EP. you’d never have seen their type down there in the good ‘ ol days .
But you’re so intolerant!
It was always for their type.
Yeah! I mean, I think it’s a great festival but it’s *very* middle class.
Allow themselves the odd drink or allow themselves to take a fee to pretend they consume they wouldn’t even consider actually consuming
It’s actually pee. That’s the next big thing.
No sorry, if you are actually allergic to gluten then no, you can’t have the odd beer anymore than someone allergic to peanuts can have the odd anaphylactic shock and be grand.
Good point but not well executed. Gluten intolerance is slightly different to anaphylactic shock.
celiac disease (did I spell that right?) is an actual recognised medical condition, gluten intolerance is not (and no they are not the same)
THAT’S NUTS!!!
She isn’t allergic to gluten though. In the link above she said she only went free from gluten, dairy and refined sugar as a practical college project for a week, liked it and kept on it.
Lol, ‘college’
yes her unaccredited college where she studied a made up “science”
No idea what the ‘college’ is/was or what she did, I was just going by the link above, which is to a different BS post. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Every time I read BS comments: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ah I know, it’s just hilarious when you look up where she got her “qualification”.
Voterep, she’s gluten intolerant (she says) but a camera lens cures it instantly, especially when your’e been aid by a cider manufacturer to hold their product.
Desperation on both sides. I reckon.
Fair enough, didn’t realise that. Assumed it was just a fad diet. Probably is just a fad diet but she has amazingly managed to believe that she suffers from something to keep herself on it.
It’s a fad diet as well.
why can’t a vegan drink cider? (some cider isn’t vegan, but cider by definition isn’t non-vegan)
That’s the de-cider. we all have to make.
I’ll get me coat
Please do and f off altogether.
Cider has got to be vegan though, doesn’t it?
Unfortunately, many ciders aren’t vegan as a number of large-scale comercial cider companies use animal products in the fining/clarification process. Specifically, some companies use the following non-vegan ingredients: gelatin (from an animal derived source), isinglass, chitin (crab shells), collagen.
Vegan ciders are usually naturally fermented in large oak barrels and allowed to settle over a period of months. Bentonite clay (mined and specially prepared for clarification purposes) or cellulose filter sheets are also sometimes used, to process cider in a vegan way.
Bulmers actually use unicorn horn scrapings as a bonding agent. Consuming unicorn is double non vegan.
2 wrongs make a right though, right?
Cider is made from apples, and apple trees are pollinated through the slavery of bees. A level 4 or above vegan would never drink cider.
Yes but if a level four vegan wields a wand of tolerance then their HP increases by +12 meaning they can drink cider.
And there is no denying that Wes certainly is a rod of intolerance.
I like your style.
I fairness they are holding those pints like they are live snakes..I like to cradle mine lovingly close
+1. Never trust someone who doesn’t love their pint.
…like they’re trying to hide them, or something?
Hide them in my tummy
They’re drinking their own urine. These and more golden lifestyle tips in tonight’s Herald.
The headline in the sindo last week was on the ball “online mob not interested in what Rosanna actually said”.
yes nice bit of spin by her PR mates but if you check out the amazon review of her book by a real scientist, you’ll see they were right to castigate her
I had not planned on buying “Eat Yourself Beautiful”. Authors typically earn 10% of the cover price of hardbacks; at €20 my purchase would include a regrettable two Euro contribution to the coffers of an opponent of modern medical care. I’ve resolved this conflict with a mitigating €20 donation to Arthritis Ireland in recognition of their strong response to Davison’s piffle that gluten causes arthritis. Do search archived press if you’d like background to this.
“… the drugs of modern medicine, they tend to cover up any issues or symptoms rather than get to the source of the problem.” – Page 2
We need venture no further than page two before finding the first assault upon reality. Do you recall that time you got Polio? No, you do not, for modern medicine has vanquished it in all areas that do not have armed vaccination opponents. When was a diagnosis of tetanus last accompanied by advice to get one’s affairs in order? Not in living memory. Those of us fortunate enough to have access to modern medical care and smart enough to use it enjoy a quality of life unrivaled throughout history in both quality and length. Tuberculosis, smallpox, polio, diphtheria and pertussis – once sources of quite a considerable number of health problems – find themselves silent when called up on to support Davison’s thesis. A cover up seems unlikely.
What sparks this antipathy towards medicine? Davison holds with unwarranted pride a degree of sorts in Nutrition from the College of Naturopathic Medicine. It runs conferences on the ‘risks’ of vaccination. The course is ‘accredited’ in Ireland by the Irish Association of Nutritional Therapy, a group founded by one of the college’s lecturers and a PE teacher who graduated the course. This arrangement calls to mind a trip to the principal’s office to explain why my signature so closely matched that of my mother’s on a secondary school sick note.
The college itself is founded by Hermann Keppler, a man who believes that Himalayan rock salt contains crystals whose vibrations can cleanse the canny consumer of exposure to WiFi and other electromagnetic fields. His specialties include dispensing magical water under the label of homeopathy and diagnosing your inflamed organs by gazing into your iris, a folklore he refers to as iridology. Seeking medical advice from a graduate of his tutelage is akin to drawing up your maps with the help of the flat earth society.
This background in mind we return to the book at section one.
“Enormous bodies of scientific research now show us that the power to live your whole life free from modern lifestyle diseases such as cancer, heart disease and diabetes starts on your plate” – Page 10
Many citation styles are open to the budding author. Documentary note citations would work well in this book. Parenthetical references could be a mite formal but still welcome. There are of course offshoots. Faced with the diversity of approaches available to her, Davison opts to not bother, frequently making claims so outlandish your jaw will drop low enough to accommodate a full bushel of quinoa. Note how smoothly cancer is branded a lifestyle disease, and imagine how such blaming might affect those impacted by it.
The ‘enormous bodies of scientific research’ seem too slight to warrant mention, but some light discussion follows in the following paragraphs that gives us a lead.
“In 1995, Dr Caldwell Esselstyn published his benchmark long-term nutrition study that showed that heart disease in severely ill patients could be halted and reversed by putting them on a low-fat, whole foods, plant-based diet. It demonstrated the self-healing power of the human body under ideal conditions. Since natural medicine is so effective at preventing disease rather than just suppressing symptoms, as modern medicine tends to do, I firmly believe that there is a great need for natural medicine to become more widespread than conventional medicine.”
A source! A source! My kingdom for a source! When you’ve read through a few unevidenced assertions that beetroot cleanses blood (page 180) the presence of a name and a hint of an actual study quickens the heart. True, the study isn’t named, but we have enough to go on.
Let us take a moment to examine Esselstyn’s ‘benchmark’ work that we might learn how heart disease can be halted and reversed. Commencing in 1985 it consisted of 22 participants and no control group. They all took cholesterol lowering medication, a glaring omission from Davison’s quest to paint real medicine as a mere masking of symptoms. Of the 22 only six continued the diet for the ten year duration; hardly a useful sample size. The abstract is available online for those interested. It is unimpressive.
What can we conclude from this? That cholesterol lowering medication and changes in diet can lower cholesterol, so therefore medication only hides symptoms? Davison’s conclusion is further weakened when we see that Esselstyn allowed skimmed milk and yoghurt in his diet but forbade any oils or avocados. Davison does not explain why her plan disagrees with him in these areas.
“The powerful medicinal properties of a huge array of herbs have been used for centuries by Native American (35-40), Roman (20-30), Persian, Egyptian (40) and Hebrew (30-35) cultures.” Page 38
To help the reader I have included in brackets the average life expectancy of each culture.
Is this among the systems Davison wishes to ‘become more widespread than conventional medicine’?
“There are more natural therapies gaining respect in mainstream medicine now than ever before, as it is clear that scientific evidence of the efficiency [sic – efficacy?] of natural medicine is solid.” Page 10-11
This is untrue and I question how any editor could allow ink assault paper in such a depraved manner without leaping to its defence. At the very least, seeing such mortal wounds inflicted on the page they should have had the decency to put it out of its misery.
Meat, Wheat, And Other Things Not To Eat
“Just imagine the heat in our intestines and what must happen to the meat a human eats as it slowly moves through that long digestive tract. It begins to putrefy and rot, allowing harmful toxins and acidic by-products to leak into the bloodstream.” Page 12
There are well thought out ethical grounds for vegetarianism and veganism, but Davison’s pseudoscientific reasons for eschewing meat will only hurt such movements. Meat rotting in our intestines would be an interesting feat considering at this stage it has been dissolved in our stomach.
“…according to research [gluten] can lead to health conditions like arthritis, depression, eczema and psoriasis.” – Page 28
Living through depression? Blame the pizza. Arthritis? Perhaps you shouldn’t have had that pint. Davison has been asked by various doctors, researchers and experts on Twitter to supply the research she promises but as with so many of the novel claims in this book it seems not to exist.
Few of us would wish to dissuade our fellow citizens from devoting a little more thought to the nutritional content of their meals. Some have told me that as long as the book forces someone to choke down an occasional apple it will do more good than harm. But is this the case? There’s much one could say in favour of legumes, for example, but Davison asks us to eschew the convenience of tinned goods (she says – absent explanation – that tinned goods contain ‘chemicals’) in favour of hand soaking the little blighters the night before. I can barely make time to floss. I will not be planning my kidney beans days in advance.
“It’s important to choose organic produce as much as possible, as the soil it has been grown in remains rich in the important minerals you need. Organic fruit and veggies have been enabled to grow and develop as nature intended rather than being ripened artificially before they’re naturally ready. This means that they’re chemical free…
While pesticides are intended to kill insects, many of them are actually absorbed into our air, soil, water or food supply…
It’s essential to wash non-organic fruit and vegetables really well…”
I’m not sure from which angle to best tackle this Gordian knot of nonsense. Starting from the bottom up, you should wash all fruit and veg. Your organic tubers were likely grown in cow poop. Organic vegetables are not rendered immune from contamination with serious diseases and have been subject to recalls as your search engine of choice will attest. The implication that washing is less necessary is a dangerous one. Pesticides aren’t intended to kill insects, they’re intended to kill pests, including fungi, bacteria, insects and weeds. And organic farmers use them too, rotenone and pyrethrin being two examples. It’s bordering on illiterate to suggest that fruits and vegetables of any sort don’t contain chemicals. Organic farmers do artificially ripen crops. I find it hard to pluck a correct statement from this section designed to push folks to unnecessarily expensive fruit and vegetables, despite there being no evidence that organic branded food is more nutritious.
By this stage of the book we have seen dairy demonised, meat maligned, we have been warned off wheat, cautioned against cans and swayed to organic outlets. Far from encouraging a varied diet the advice in this book is profoundly limiting. The resulting message is that healthy eating is the preserve of those who live within walking distance of an organic market and have the sort of disposable time on their hands that allows much of the evenings to be spent bathing legumes. If you have a day job and enjoy the benefits of modern medicine this may not be the recipe book for you.
Top drawer. Thank you.
That is very, very well written and interesting. She is a fool.
I applaud you. Were I English of birth, I would say Bravo, repeatedly.
Any fool who believes a celebrity over years of scientific research is a fool as well. Though I do sometimes think the scientific community does itself no favours in trying to engage with these ideas, as loony as they sound.
Funny too. Good stuff.
Really enjoyed this so thanks.
I feel sad that anyone would read this rubbish, not to mention make it a best seller.
Mind you, just look at 50 Shades …. *head in hands*
Thank you!
I actually read all that
And that’s saying sum’ting
Lemme tell ya
Fair dues Randy
+100
God speed you, honest well-written review, to the internet!
This is from Geoff Lillis’ blog, he’s @geoffsshorts on twitter.http://geoffsshorts.blogspot.ie
Surely you know this is a woman who can run 10k in 43 minutes without breaking a sweat or messing her makeup. She clearly knows what she is talking about!
Yes. I may need to re-read Jenny McCarthy’s ‘A History of Zionism’ with a bit more of a cynical eye now.
Excellent.
Funny how the indo wasn’t interested in what the “online mob” actually said.
And yet, the best-seller list for Irish non-fiction last week had her book where? No 1. There is no emoticon I can readily find for sad-gluten-face.
Hang on now a sec
How many sales d’ya need ta’ hit No. 1 Non Fiction in Ireland
200?
Sur she’d a sold half’a number at the Sleb’ Book Launch ffs
Even 500 @ 5 yoyos royalty wouldn’t pay ya for the time
And then there’s the rounds of D’Arcy, Brendan O’Connor, Sindo, Indo, Egan and VIPiss, Newstalk slots, Late Late and Radio 1, That wanker in Cork and all the other FMs and locals. And all that hair, makeup, styling and wardrobe…
Oh hang on.
I get it now
Poor dote.
Hey does vegan anti gluten meat and chocolate éclairs stop aging sagging and hair loss?
Maybe tis her own weewee
Like the girl is that full of herself
And what she consumes
Why wouldn’t she drink her own
Besides
I’d say she got the whole weekend outta’ that pint
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The state of Lois. Somebody said that they like to eat clean so therefore the must ALWAYS do so. Otherwise you have dorks like Lois trying to make themselves feel good by finding fault in you when you eat a mars bar.
The drinks were just PR props and not for human consumption.
At least not by the people pictured.
The Indo had a gallery of the ‘Celebs’ outside the Orchard Thieves tent and they where all holding the pints the same way, down by their side, and all full.
I wonder the cost and how they submit an invoice for holding a pint?
well its carlsberg so i bet they are handsomely rewarded for holding a pint of muck for a photo
ironic the name of the cider as as far as i can see the branding is lifted off a small northern craft cider
Its not Carlsberg.
http://i.imgur.com/JwZebvv.jpg
Indeed. Its heinekens version of a cider.
it pains me to drink a beer or cider from a plastic glass, more so if it’s a nice creft beverage.
Must say I really enjoyed the cider. Icy cold on a warm Saturday. Excellent.
Leave Rosanna and Wes alone. She’s a highly educated woman Nutritional Therapist | Foodie | Author | Model | Miss World 2003 | and Wes’s aul fella is a rich ex Garda
i care not what they drink .. or of any possible hypocrisy they’re commiting .. I’m just sad that they’re the sort goin to EP. its no longer a boutique arty festival .. its a full on commercial bottom burp factory. from electric ireland, to sure, to three, and all the rest, its being fully consumed by the masses now. so enjoy the few years of body and soul thats left before it endures the same fate.
Why is it a surprise? And do you think the organisers care?
There’ll be more along.
Is that not the plan though? Each of these festivals has a sell by date so they start small, become big (EP now) and in the mean time develop another small festival… And around and around we go..
People who think they are all artsy and original for going to body and soul are just as much suckers as the ones going to EP.
Don’t be that guy, “it was cool, now everybody goes its not cool anymore”, your better than that guy.
So true and so sad.
PR mules.
Nobody’s interested in what passes their lips – foodstuffs or ‘lifestyle’ advice.
The man never drank a Duff in his life!
Or batter burgers
And he’s still no Mr Tighty Whitey
Can you get blond ciders? The drinks look a bit lager-y to me. Maybe that’s why they’re trying to hide them for the picture.
I think the bottom line is….she’s good looking. Who care’s really about what she has to say.
Chris deBurgh did good.
What, did he do her as well as the nanny??? Jaysus!
Ohohohoho!
Good lad.
Ew.
I saw her throwing it out after that pic!! whilst saying ” I not drinking that gluten muck”
Chris d Burg has gluten free loven!!
As previously mentioned, gluten is a composite protein mostly containing glutenin and gliadin, the latter of which