67 thoughts on “Madonna’s Sideboob

  1. scottser

    that nipper is about 2 years old – bit much to be still on the boob, no?

    anyway, nice to see christ was a ginger. puts paid to all that ‘jesus was dark-skinned’ nonsense – looks like hewas from clondalkin!!!!

    1. Scooby

      World health organisation recommend breastfeeding until at least 2 and beyond! Average age of weaning world wide is between 4 and 7. Jesus probably was still breastfeeding at 2

  2. Spaghetti Hoop

    That’s all very well celebrating ‘Latching-On’ Day but going around bullying new mothers into breastfeeding is just not acceptable, and it is especially hurtful to those whose babbies cannot or could not successfully latch on or problems arose or just simply don’t want to breastfeed.

          1. ahjayzis

            My mum chose not to breastfeed, she wanted to share the feeding with my dad. I think it was more acceptable in the 80’s – the current policy is a total guilt-trip, it’s outrageous.

            “We’re not saying you have to breastfeed, we’re just suggesting that maybe you’re a crap mother if you don’t.

          2. meadowlark

            I wanted to breastfeed but because of my daughter being sick at birth I couldn’t. I expressed. And I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. I switched to formula as soon as my daughter was well enough, and did so without guilt. Women who like to be superior about breastfeeding are just ridiculous.

          3. scottser

            our puddin was combo fed for about 3 months. the missis was full of guilt about stopping cos of all the ‘articles’ stating that our child would be slobbering baboon of an adult because she wasn’t breast fed for 6 months. puddin is as smart as a whip and to be honest, has a better attention span than i do.

          1. ahjayzis

            Think he means they go out of their way to stigmatise mothers who choose not to breastfeed. Which they do.

          2. manolo

            It sounds like a strange generalisation in my experience. I’ve seen mothers getting far more stick for breastfeeding in public, which makes me want to punch those who complain. My wife had difficulties to breastfeed and never felt any pressure either way.

          3. Kennysmells

            How do they ” go out of there way to stigmatize mothers who choose not to breastfeed”??

            If you choose not to breastfeed which is what you said, what is the point in women having breasts? That’s what they are there for in the first place. feeding babies.

          4. ahjayzis

            I transcribed interviews with nurses and new mums when I was in college and was appalled by the attitude. Nurses basically had this open policy of prodding and pushing new mothers into it, guilt-tripping mentioned, tutting at bottle prep, “ah would you just give it a go, love” stuff. It was outrageous. And the mums interviewed hated it, felt they were infantilised and some ended up just telling them to fupp off, they know their own mind.

            I’ve zero time for people with a problem seeing mothers breastfeed out and about, they’re feeding their kid for god’s sake – like was said, it’s about choice and either one’s all right by me.

          5. J

            Ahjaysus it’s gone the complete opposite in terms of bullying in maternity hospitals. First response is now offer formula. Believe me in the last year I’ve had to argue with a Dr.child (who btw barely gets any training on bfing) that shoving a 30 ml bottle into a newborn baby with a stomach of 7ml is not going to help. One midwife helped, one who was covering over 30 beds. Anyone who struggles to establish breastfeeding is completely let down by the Irish maternity services at the moment. The shortage on midwives on wards, especially at night time is unacceptable. There is literally no help other then the lactation consultants who are generally very hard to see in hospital or in some cases useless.

            Turns out my little man had a tongue tie, missed by that inept Dr.child.
            And I’m a completely pro breastfeeding, mother who has breastfed, formula fed, pumped for over a year, I’ve fed every which way I could, or had to.
            There is a small minority of pro breastfeeding people who can be scary, but there’s a lot more ignorant small minded idiots who will move away from a mother feeding in public, ask a mother to cover up, ask them to feed in a toilet.

          1. Kennysmells

            “I’m not even going to dignify that muck with a rebuttal, Kenny.” Of course not, spit out your controversial statement and then when brought up on it use the no comment reply instead, fuppin rubbish

        1. Scooby

          People who support breastfeeding are not anti choice, we only want mothers who want to breastfeed to get the correct support and information to enable them to do so. There is a lot of ‘breast is best’ information given out and facts and figures but the real time and effort is not in hospitals, to be honest the staffing and training is just not there among mid wives. It’s very frustrating when you constantly hear ‘I wanted to but I couldnt’ from mothers this leads to feelings of guilt, but it’s not mothers fault, it’s funding and training. If mothers were supported to breastfeed, the health service would get this funding back in spades from the savings by healthier children ( not my opinion, scientific fact) if you say this, you are branded a breastfeeding fanatic. The formula companies fuel the mommy wars, they obviously don’t like breastfeeding as it affects their profit’s, therfore we are all fanatics it’s laughable, breastfeeding if it’s what you want is good for everyone.

    1. Caroline

      Yeah although campaigners tend to do more to actually attempt to have those problems addressed than anyone else. You do get a lot of shoite talk out of people when you’re breastfeeding too, and way too many healthcare professionals are totally clueless about the process. I agree it’s outrageous that some campaigners make a hobby of castigating mothers online (never seen it done in real life, maybe it happens), but there is still a need for the campaign all the same.

    2. Kennysmells

      Non breastfeeding mothers seem to have a serious chip on the shoulder with any mother who does breastfeed. Not sure what the craic is with that.

      1. meadowlark

        Because they are judgemental in the extreme and make mothers who formula feed their children feel inadequate. Women should be informed of the pros and cons of breastfeeding and pros and cons of formula feeding then left to make decisions in peace.

        1. Annie

          Exactly AND there should be more education about the fact that it isn’t ultra easy to achieve – lots of things can cause issue and the guilt some mothers feel if their bambino doesn’t latch is a very serious thing and can give rise to dangerously negative feelings.

          1. meadowlark

            Mastitis. And as Annie pointed out, if a child doesn’t latch for whatever reason it can create negativity, anxiety and doubts in the mother. There are a couple of examples.

          2. meadowlark

            To give you a personal example, my daughter was born very prematurely. She was born with heart, lung and no immune system. In addition to this she was born with no suck reflex, and was tube fed for a number of weeks. By the time she had developed her suck reflex, she would not latch on for me. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I expressed. For months. Expressing milk is draining and plays havoc with your body and milk flow and deprives you of the pleasure of feeding your child. By the time I decided to switch to formula, I did so without guilt. If a woman dared judge me for formula feeding my daughter, I’d point out that very few women have had the experience I had. Breastfeeding is better, in my opinion. But that doesn’t make it the right choice for every mothe.

          3. Scooby

            I think there would be a lot less negativity directed at breastfeeding supporters if there was proper support from health care staff, for example I had a baby with a cleft palate 5 years ago and expressed for 3 months for him, as you say it was soul destroying. I’ve since had a baby who is almost 2 and he had a tongue tie, this also made breastfeeding very painful. With both these babies I was given the breastfeeding is best info but no practical support. I was left feeling a failure. Looking back there is a lot they could have done. I could have been offered a pump free of charge, given advice on how to optimise my pumping, told about donated breast milk! On number 2, he could have been checked for tongue tie before leaving the hospital and saved all that pain, I could have been given a properly trained lactation consultant, I could have been given proper information about normal breastfeeding habits instead of offered formula top ups in the hospital having made it clear i didn’t want it! I am angry at our inadequate system that fails families not breastfeeding supporters.

          4. Annie

            @meadowlark My feelings exactly – I believe breastfeeding is best for numerous reasons. The benefits for baby, for mother, for the environment, for your pocket and so on are well understood. But that doesn’t mean it’s best for everyone in every situation. I feel there is a serious dearth of support and education and instead a sickening amount of expectation and judgement. What’s most irritating though is that it’s yet another thing for women to judge each other on, to be competitive about and to point score with each other. Saddening.

  3. Unreconstructed

    What terrible, terrible poetry…he’s giving Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings a run for her money.

    1. Pip

      Well said Unreconstructed – terrible’s the word. He really shouldn’t be encouraged.
      Almost as bad as his Prophets are Whatevering thing he came out with some time ago.

  4. Scooby

    Yes the bullying is shocking! Can’t everyone just mind their own business, going around with their scientifically proven facts about how breast milk is the normal food for children, who cares if lots of illnesses and even cot death is higher among formula fed children? Who’s business is it? It might save the economy millions of euro in health funding but they really bug me! Stupid people. How dare they want women who want to breastfeed succeed and get adequate support! Leave me alone. Nice card though…

  5. Orla

    We’re pretty dismal at breastfeeding in Ireland. Not as bad as France, but not far off it. If anything can help normalise it, bring it on. As one poster mentioned, postnatal assistance in maternity hospitals is dismal. A majority of the staff have poor education (and not enough time to help) on the subject and are too rash to push formula on tired and frustrated new mothers.

  6. Scooby

    Scandinavian families probably get the proper support, information and medical training, I’d be interested to see how much involvement and access formula companies have with their government and health service too.

    1. J

      Exactly, just look at the SMA sponsored baby fairs, look at getting new parents to sign up to Aptaclub, easy way to access new parents when it’s illegal to advertise stage 1 formula. Inventing unnecessary and frankly disgusting follow on milks which (afaik) only exist in countries that ban stage 1 advertising.
      The lack of support is shocking, baby has a tongue tie, so can’t latch, had to use a syringe to avoid nipple confusion with a bottle. I was advised to syringe feed, but then told only a midwife could syringe feed, I wasn’t “allowed” to, only 1 midwife for over 30 babies. Baby gets hungry and no midwife around.
      Even between 2012 and 2015 the maternity services have degenerated to shocking levels. The midwives themselves can be amazing, what would be amazing is having enough to cover the wards.

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