I know there are far, far worse things happening in the world but as someone who’s adored Billy Connolly since I was a kid when my Da played his tapes in the car it’s heartbreaking to see him in decline.
bertie blenkinsop
Inarticulate speech of the heart there…
insert punctuation as you see fit.
Kieran NYC
+ Big Banana Feet
some old queen
Without doubt, Irish Water is a consultancy feeding ground. From time to time every company may need outside expertise but in most semi states, a spine of people with a loyalty to their employer manage consultants. Not so within Irish Water. Very scary stuff.
Owen
Yes, but the problem is once a consultant is brought in early to do a substantial portion of work they must be kept as the directly employed staff can’t pick up and carry on their work.
Happy Molloy
That’s not true though, the reason people hire consultants is that there feck off when the job is done and you’re not left with extra staff for 30 years
inPisces
It is true to a very large extent
Happy Molloy
Based on what? I know lots of consultants, typical engagements last 6 months to two years, two years being long.
There may be an ongoing relationship over different projects of course.
Consultants are hired for their project management skills as, to build and train a team privately would take years.
They are expensive in the short term, an awful lot cheaper in the medium and long term.
I’ll put it to you this way, if you tried to establish something the size of Irish water using hirees from public jobs.ie it would never happen. Never.
inPisces
Ha that’s certainty possible
However I note a type of long term mission creep in my place. Because there’s no real strategic planning or programme and few new hires, the slack even for a relatively routine type of engagement is taken up by consultants.
Owen
You’ve no idea Happy.
Happy Molloy
Just told you that I do Owen
:-)
rory
Sorted.
some old queen
Consultants have one objective, to make as much money as possible. No matter what the contract says, upon arrival their first goal is to make themselves indispensible for as long as they can. This is fine where you have a core staff who can keep them in check but if it gets to the point where they are running the show then it never ends well. Also, the quality of work some consultants do leave a lot to be desired, but by that stage they are gone and there is no redress.
It may not be a fashionable thing to say but common sense should tell you that nothing beats permanent staff who knows their job because they do not have a cash cow agenda.
Owen
Well that’s just narrow minded. If that was the case, how are so many successful consultancies in buisness? Surely they would be found out easily?
IT consultants, Env consultants, Eng Consultants, Financial consultants, etc… are these all the same in your eyes, or are you just tarnishing them all with the IW consultants view?
NilNocere
I’m fairly sure if you look at the likes of ESB you’d see a similar spend, and given Irish Water is still in its early days it’s not really that surprising.
Original Cynic
Imagine what a complete and utter shambles Irish Water would be without the multiple of €millions spent on consultants! *shivers*
Kieran NYC
Eh… just because scared idiots think refugees are terrorists, doesn’t make it a fact. The Sindo is such a rag.
inPisces
I may even buy it today
I usually buy it once a year to check for myself how low into the gutter it has sunk. I don’t recall it being so low rent 20 or so years ago but maybe I err. Who buys it Kieran?
Peter Dempsey
I buy it because I know every sale p*sses off the typical Broadsheet and Rabble readers.
I don’t take it seriously. It’s funny how the Sunday World never gets as much criticism on pages like this. Must be a class thing.
inPisces
It’s a fair point about the Sunday World
However if what you say is true about your motivation for buying the Indo, we’ll have to have you committed
Floodedout
Take that PC pinko feminazi liberals!!
Twunt
I see Frau Merkel wants to deport serial offenders, regardless of their asylum status, finally some sense. Only, how many free passes do they get, 3 sexual assaults and a rape before deportation. Why not deport on the first serious offence?
Considering our very lenient justice system, would we need to increase this by a factor or 10 or 100?
Owen
Yep, was only thinking this yesterday. If they put in a ‘1 strike and you’re out system’ I wonder how groups would react, and how sever does the crime have to be?
Quint
Sindo’s weird obsession with sex continues. Deeply odd newspaper.
inPisces
It clearly reflects the mindset and values of its readership however otherwise they would not have it front page
Quint
The only person I know who reads the Sindo is my Dad and he’s 77. I’ve noticed even he is not buying it as much. Who IS reading it? It’s utter trash. Sometimes I think it’s running costs are paid for by those huge supermarket ads on every second page.
Happy Molloy
I buy it for a laugh, my girlfriend calls it the shouty paper as I always shout when reading it
inPisces
Lol
I bought it a few times also for that reason but decided that joke wasn’t funny anymore :)
Anne
If you’ve a girlfriend why are you asking other girls if they have someone to snuggle up to at night? Huh? Huh? I thought you were getting all flirty with me.. This is very disappointing news Molloy
Bertie Blenkinsop
* Eastenders drums *
Happy Molloy
Maybe we’re polyamourus dear Xx
Anne
Is she aware of that though? :)
Anyways we’re not polyamrous.. I’m lucky to get a bit of a the ole pokin’ once or twice a week, nevermind someone else’s missus.
Bertie Blenkinsop
Once or twice a week?
Braggart.
inPisces
Wow the correct answer then is “yer ma” :)
In rural parts of the country there are few other options at the local shop after mass other than the tabs and the difficult to read and equally full of irrelevant opinionated waffle Funday Times and Business Post. Personally used to buy the Turbine as Phoenix used to call it but it didn’t sell enough to be viable
Bertie Blenkinsop
Does your dad have a sex obsession?
It’s okay, you can tell us, you’re amongst friends here…
inPisces
Who doesn’t?
Bertie Blenkinsop
I’d rather have a pint at this stage.
Saint Paul
Saint Paul says you can have both Bertie
“Believe in better”
Bertie Blenkinsop
I see now why you were canonised.
bags
I think you have cracked the code there. The massive ads and probably brown envelopes from “celebs” or companies who view it as a vanity project.
Frilly Keane
Marylou says if there is an FFS Fein roll out
Irish Water will be drained out
And LPT will go down with it
What d’ye make a’them apples lads
Although.The way those numbers are looking
I might have it backwards
SFF f
I know there are far, far worse things happening in the world but as someone who’s adored Billy Connolly since I was a kid when my Da played his tapes in the car it’s heartbreaking to see him in decline.
Inarticulate speech of the heart there…
insert punctuation as you see fit.
+ Big Banana Feet
Without doubt, Irish Water is a consultancy feeding ground. From time to time every company may need outside expertise but in most semi states, a spine of people with a loyalty to their employer manage consultants. Not so within Irish Water. Very scary stuff.
Yes, but the problem is once a consultant is brought in early to do a substantial portion of work they must be kept as the directly employed staff can’t pick up and carry on their work.
That’s not true though, the reason people hire consultants is that there feck off when the job is done and you’re not left with extra staff for 30 years
It is true to a very large extent
Based on what? I know lots of consultants, typical engagements last 6 months to two years, two years being long.
There may be an ongoing relationship over different projects of course.
Consultants are hired for their project management skills as, to build and train a team privately would take years.
They are expensive in the short term, an awful lot cheaper in the medium and long term.
I’ll put it to you this way, if you tried to establish something the size of Irish water using hirees from public jobs.ie it would never happen. Never.
Ha that’s certainty possible
However I note a type of long term mission creep in my place. Because there’s no real strategic planning or programme and few new hires, the slack even for a relatively routine type of engagement is taken up by consultants.
You’ve no idea Happy.
Just told you that I do Owen
:-)
Sorted.
Consultants have one objective, to make as much money as possible. No matter what the contract says, upon arrival their first goal is to make themselves indispensible for as long as they can. This is fine where you have a core staff who can keep them in check but if it gets to the point where they are running the show then it never ends well. Also, the quality of work some consultants do leave a lot to be desired, but by that stage they are gone and there is no redress.
It may not be a fashionable thing to say but common sense should tell you that nothing beats permanent staff who knows their job because they do not have a cash cow agenda.
Well that’s just narrow minded. If that was the case, how are so many successful consultancies in buisness? Surely they would be found out easily?
IT consultants, Env consultants, Eng Consultants, Financial consultants, etc… are these all the same in your eyes, or are you just tarnishing them all with the IW consultants view?
I’m fairly sure if you look at the likes of ESB you’d see a similar spend, and given Irish Water is still in its early days it’s not really that surprising.
Imagine what a complete and utter shambles Irish Water would be without the multiple of €millions spent on consultants! *shivers*
Eh… just because scared idiots think refugees are terrorists, doesn’t make it a fact. The Sindo is such a rag.
I may even buy it today
I usually buy it once a year to check for myself how low into the gutter it has sunk. I don’t recall it being so low rent 20 or so years ago but maybe I err. Who buys it Kieran?
I buy it because I know every sale p*sses off the typical Broadsheet and Rabble readers.
I don’t take it seriously. It’s funny how the Sunday World never gets as much criticism on pages like this. Must be a class thing.
It’s a fair point about the Sunday World
However if what you say is true about your motivation for buying the Indo, we’ll have to have you committed
Take that PC pinko feminazi liberals!!
I see Frau Merkel wants to deport serial offenders, regardless of their asylum status, finally some sense. Only, how many free passes do they get, 3 sexual assaults and a rape before deportation. Why not deport on the first serious offence?
Considering our very lenient justice system, would we need to increase this by a factor or 10 or 100?
Yep, was only thinking this yesterday. If they put in a ‘1 strike and you’re out system’ I wonder how groups would react, and how sever does the crime have to be?
Sindo’s weird obsession with sex continues. Deeply odd newspaper.
It clearly reflects the mindset and values of its readership however otherwise they would not have it front page
The only person I know who reads the Sindo is my Dad and he’s 77. I’ve noticed even he is not buying it as much. Who IS reading it? It’s utter trash. Sometimes I think it’s running costs are paid for by those huge supermarket ads on every second page.
I buy it for a laugh, my girlfriend calls it the shouty paper as I always shout when reading it
Lol
I bought it a few times also for that reason but decided that joke wasn’t funny anymore :)
If you’ve a girlfriend why are you asking other girls if they have someone to snuggle up to at night? Huh? Huh? I thought you were getting all flirty with me.. This is very disappointing news Molloy
* Eastenders drums *
Maybe we’re polyamourus dear Xx
Is she aware of that though? :)
Anyways we’re not polyamrous.. I’m lucky to get a bit of a the ole pokin’ once or twice a week, nevermind someone else’s missus.
Once or twice a week?
Braggart.
Wow the correct answer then is “yer ma” :)
In rural parts of the country there are few other options at the local shop after mass other than the tabs and the difficult to read and equally full of irrelevant opinionated waffle Funday Times and Business Post. Personally used to buy the Turbine as Phoenix used to call it but it didn’t sell enough to be viable
Does your dad have a sex obsession?
It’s okay, you can tell us, you’re amongst friends here…
Who doesn’t?
I’d rather have a pint at this stage.
Saint Paul says you can have both Bertie
“Believe in better”
I see now why you were canonised.
I think you have cracked the code there. The massive ads and probably brown envelopes from “celebs” or companies who view it as a vanity project.
Marylou says if there is an FFS Fein roll out
Irish Water will be drained out
And LPT will go down with it
What d’ye make a’them apples lads
Although.The way those numbers are looking
I might have it backwards
SFF f