It’s a public government building, not a phupping shelter.
manolo
You are stating the obvious while missing the point. This is a Labour-run department responsible for social protection pushing away homeless people in the lowest they will ever be instead of doing their job and helping them out.
Vote Rep #1
Are you saying that Labour demanded that these be built?
joj
Exactly, and the staff who work there, do they not have a right to a safe clean working environment? just because you have some bleeding heart ideals don’t assume everyone else should follow them.
Again, missing the point… if the job was being done by the department of social protection inside that property, there would be no threat to their “right to a safe clean working environment”…in all fairness.
Anomanomanom
So the point your making is because the department as a whole can’t sort out homelessness they should just put up with people loitering.Oh and not all homeless are scum or junkies I know this, but I’d still prefer the outside to be a safe, pee free working place for my staff.
Nigel
You’re mistaking an appreciation of the symbolism involved with your own silly over-literalism. Consider, rather, that in a country where homelessness is such a problem that actual fortifications have to be erected to keep them away, this is all a bit pointed, as it were.
Anomanomanom
I can’t take you seriously, start again and this time don’t try sound like your only posting because your superior. You actually make good points. But the homeless “crisis” is no where near the level people are talking. Living in your parents house with your kids is not homelessness, living in a friends house is not homelessness, literally having no where to live is homelessness.
Nigel
Do you think they’re putting spikes up to keep away the people living with friends or parents?
Whether you think there’s a crisis or not, there is, at least, a really bad homelessness problem, so, Homeless problem + Department Of Social Protection + putting up spikes to keep homeless away = pointed and/or poignant irony, more than enough to hook an aul’ poem on, at any rate.
Timble
It’s a rented building not an OPW/Government owned one. Do you think Joan is sitting there deciding what colour of paint to pick, whether to order yellow or green highlighters or install anti-homeless spikes on front of the building?
scottser
it can be a private building owned by a public body, it doesn’t mean you can sleep outside it, p1ss against the walls etc. the public don’t own it and can’t do what they want in it.
AlisonT
Ill informed comment – I worked in a city centre property with similar ledges outside. Junkies would regularly fight, drink, shoot up and abuse people as they hung around there all day. They were not the thousands of homeless people who wanted to make their life better, they were some of the few who live off the system and take no responsibility for themselves of the discarded syringes they leave behind them on the paths. After the day the ledge was changed single women no longer had to be escorted out of the building after 6pm and we did not have to check for syringes every morning on the way in.
Go back to your tower.
Scooperman
‘who live off the system’? People that don’t have an address get NOTHING from the state.
Vote Rep #1
Way to take one small piece of a sentence and use it out of context.
“They were not the thousands of homeless people who wanted to make their life better, they were some of the few who live off the system and take no responsibility for themselves”
AlisonT is quite obviously not referring to the homeless, she is referring to non-homeless junkies. OUTRAGE
scottser
scooperman, you are incorrect here. homeless people in dublin sign on at either oisin house 212-213 pearse street or 77 upper gardiner street.
Baz
They’re not spikes
beaner
are we sure they aren’t space saving bike stands? they look more secure than the roadside ones.
Jimmy 2 tones
It’s hilarious the way every blames labour when it’s FG who are behind everything. Labour have no problem being the fall guy, they all paid anyway. The corrupt storyline has already been written by FG & you are all following it along just how they want you too.
Vote Rep #1
It would seem, especially on here, that everything that is wrong is the fault of Labour. Never has it been truer that the minority partner in a coalition gets the majority of the flack for things.
Sam
“Never has it been truer that the minority partner in a coalition gets the majority of the flack for things.”
I think the Green Party would disagree. Labour will still have some sitting TDs after this election.
Anyway you look at it, Labour are propping up FG, and many Labour voters won’t be grateful for the results.
FG voters on the other hand, wanted FG policies, got FG policies.
As have been often said of such situations, sup with a long spoon…
Kieran NYC
If people wanted full Labour policies in government, they should have all voted for Labour candidates. It’s not Labour’s fault they weren’t in a stronger negotiating position in 2011.
isallimsaying
I want you too proofread.
Cian
Do you remember the Labour poster, about “FG: Every little hurts”? Do you notice that pretty much everyone one of those things has been implemented?
I don’t seriously believe that Labour has softened FG’s cuts. And even if they have, they’ve done far less than they effectively promised the electorate they would.
Baz
on their worst day politicians actually do more for homeless people than wannabe folk singers on their best , the Ol finger pointing doesn’t make you a better person Darren and the fact you have so much time to write poorly means you should be doing neither
But hey it makes you feel better , that’s what matters, not practical help.
Dav
blushirt apologist
Nigel
What’s kind of stupid about this is that politicians, by heir very nature, affect people’s lives by the things they do and don’t do, positively and negatively, so by definition, on their worst days they are almost certainly making someone’s life a holy living hell. If people didn’t point fingers they’d get away with it, too. Now do you feel like a better person?
It’s a public government building, not a phupping shelter.
You are stating the obvious while missing the point. This is a Labour-run department responsible for social protection pushing away homeless people in the lowest they will ever be instead of doing their job and helping them out.
Are you saying that Labour demanded that these be built?
Exactly, and the staff who work there, do they not have a right to a safe clean working environment? just because you have some bleeding heart ideals don’t assume everyone else should follow them.
Again, missing the point… if the job was being done by the department of social protection inside that property, there would be no threat to their “right to a safe clean working environment”…in all fairness.
So the point your making is because the department as a whole can’t sort out homelessness they should just put up with people loitering.Oh and not all homeless are scum or junkies I know this, but I’d still prefer the outside to be a safe, pee free working place for my staff.
You’re mistaking an appreciation of the symbolism involved with your own silly over-literalism. Consider, rather, that in a country where homelessness is such a problem that actual fortifications have to be erected to keep them away, this is all a bit pointed, as it were.
I can’t take you seriously, start again and this time don’t try sound like your only posting because your superior. You actually make good points. But the homeless “crisis” is no where near the level people are talking. Living in your parents house with your kids is not homelessness, living in a friends house is not homelessness, literally having no where to live is homelessness.
Do you think they’re putting spikes up to keep away the people living with friends or parents?
Whether you think there’s a crisis or not, there is, at least, a really bad homelessness problem, so, Homeless problem + Department Of Social Protection + putting up spikes to keep homeless away = pointed and/or poignant irony, more than enough to hook an aul’ poem on, at any rate.
It’s a rented building not an OPW/Government owned one. Do you think Joan is sitting there deciding what colour of paint to pick, whether to order yellow or green highlighters or install anti-homeless spikes on front of the building?
it can be a private building owned by a public body, it doesn’t mean you can sleep outside it, p1ss against the walls etc. the public don’t own it and can’t do what they want in it.
Ill informed comment – I worked in a city centre property with similar ledges outside. Junkies would regularly fight, drink, shoot up and abuse people as they hung around there all day. They were not the thousands of homeless people who wanted to make their life better, they were some of the few who live off the system and take no responsibility for themselves of the discarded syringes they leave behind them on the paths. After the day the ledge was changed single women no longer had to be escorted out of the building after 6pm and we did not have to check for syringes every morning on the way in.
Go back to your tower.
‘who live off the system’? People that don’t have an address get NOTHING from the state.
Way to take one small piece of a sentence and use it out of context.
“They were not the thousands of homeless people who wanted to make their life better, they were some of the few who live off the system and take no responsibility for themselves”
AlisonT is quite obviously not referring to the homeless, she is referring to non-homeless junkies. OUTRAGE
scooperman, you are incorrect here. homeless people in dublin sign on at either oisin house 212-213 pearse street or 77 upper gardiner street.
They’re not spikes
are we sure they aren’t space saving bike stands? they look more secure than the roadside ones.
It’s hilarious the way every blames labour when it’s FG who are behind everything. Labour have no problem being the fall guy, they all paid anyway. The corrupt storyline has already been written by FG & you are all following it along just how they want you too.
It would seem, especially on here, that everything that is wrong is the fault of Labour. Never has it been truer that the minority partner in a coalition gets the majority of the flack for things.
“Never has it been truer that the minority partner in a coalition gets the majority of the flack for things.”
I think the Green Party would disagree. Labour will still have some sitting TDs after this election.
Anyway you look at it, Labour are propping up FG, and many Labour voters won’t be grateful for the results.
FG voters on the other hand, wanted FG policies, got FG policies.
As have been often said of such situations, sup with a long spoon…
If people wanted full Labour policies in government, they should have all voted for Labour candidates. It’s not Labour’s fault they weren’t in a stronger negotiating position in 2011.
I want you too proofread.
Do you remember the Labour poster, about “FG: Every little hurts”? Do you notice that pretty much everyone one of those things has been implemented?
I don’t seriously believe that Labour has softened FG’s cuts. And even if they have, they’ve done far less than they effectively promised the electorate they would.
on their worst day politicians actually do more for homeless people than wannabe folk singers on their best , the Ol finger pointing doesn’t make you a better person Darren and the fact you have so much time to write poorly means you should be doing neither
But hey it makes you feel better , that’s what matters, not practical help.
blushirt apologist
What’s kind of stupid about this is that politicians, by heir very nature, affect people’s lives by the things they do and don’t do, positively and negatively, so by definition, on their worst days they are almost certainly making someone’s life a holy living hell. If people didn’t point fingers they’d get away with it, too. Now do you feel like a better person?
Fair play for drawing attention to this failure of the dept of social protection!
Also, I wouldn’t even use the bus stop there, it’s such a ropey spot.
We’re too soft. Try sleeping outside a govt building in Rome, Barcelona or Paris.
Excellent whataboutery there, though I would have gone for somewhere like Moscow personally. B+
There’s an associated story doing the rounds on this from a woman who complains that her brother normally sleeps rough here until the spikes went up.
Her brother. ?!
No relative of mine would ever sleep rough if I had a roof over my head.
That’s an understandable and admirable sentiment but I promise you it’s just not as simple as that.
some people are stubborn about accepting help from family, i guess. that was my first thought as well though!
If that person was a addict who kept stealing from you or or was too ashamed to take help from you?
No brother of mine is kipping on my sofa! Spikes are too good for him.
Hardly “spikes”. Looks like a bike rack.