Good man Paul – and congratulations on your recent nuptials .
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
Oh yes: I should have said that too. Congrats & much happiness to you guys.
Bertie Blenkinsop
Is he married?
He said “partner”.
Paul Bonass
Can confirm not married yet! Don’t rush me, we’ve two mothers on the case already
Frilly Keane
As the Gay would say
“Merciful hour”
Dubh Linn
Can well imagine. Lovely pic and best of luck with the mammy management :)
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Why would you automatically assume that only people who are bigots are feeling annoyed observing your social media effluvium?
Has it occurred to you that your personal, intimate moments are actually meaningless to the vast majority of us, and that no-one actually gives a fupp?
Probably not judging by the camp hysteria on display and the maudlin attention-seeking behaviour.
Your comment reveals a lot about your own bigoted mindset.
MoyestWithExcitement
“Why would you automatically assume that only people who are bigots are feeling annoyed observing your social media effluvium?”
That is the only rational reason for it. Good try though.
MoyestWithExcitement
“Why would you automatically assume that only people who are bigots are feeling annoyed…and that no-one actually gives a fupp?”
If you’re just trolling, you need to pay more attention to detail. If you mean it, you’re a touch dim.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Tiresome. Have you anything of value to add on the substantive point Moyest other than cutting and pasting those parts at which you want to troll on? Please fupp off.
MoyestWithExcitement
But you haven’t made any substantive points. Tell you what, stop saying really stupid things and I’ll leave you alone. K?
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Really? Try reading it again.
MoyestWithExcitement
OK *glances over your hysterical drivel* Nope. Nothing substantive.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
You’re a tiresome, pedantic, unpleasant troll… it’s seriously time to grow up now son.
It’s a shame as I find I tend to agree with you on a lot of points. However the substance of what you have to say is generally lost in the unfortunate tendency you have to belittle others and denigrate their point of view. This means that overall you achieve the exact opposite of the intended outcome.
#UKW – Ultimate Keyboard Warrior.
Paul Bonass
Devil is in the detail here.
This wasn’t some sensitive personal intimate moment for us that we wheel out for attention. It was an impromptu celebration kiss as we stood in the centre of Dublin Castle surrounded by thousands of others celebrating the final ‘YES’ count – I doubt anyone even noticed us other than the press photographers.
We don’t flaunting this image in people’s faces, infact we’ve no control over if the media choose to use it in news stories or posts. However I’m certainly proud when it is used because represents much more than a PDA.
MoyestWithExcitement
“You’re a tiresome, pedantic, unpleasant troll… it’s seriously time to grow up now son.”
Bitter shut ins like you are so easy and satisfying to wind up it, it has me almost pitching a tent.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Thanks Paul. I probably didn’t even deserve a reply to be honest.
But you did send in this screenshot to Broadsheet, didn’t you?
Irrespective of whether you felt justifiably proud of your reply to this meathead, you’re not shy now in drawing attention to yourself and your own reaction to it. This kind of stuff is completely counter-productive to your ’cause’ in my view – that’s all. You’ve already won – you don’t need to a) ram it down people’s throats or b) respond to this kind of idiot at all. He’s a dying breed and kicking a sick dog won’t win you any new friends. Congratulations on your impending nuptials by the way.
MoyestWithExcitement
Yes, Paul. Homophobic bigots should be allowed to speak freely without fear of you pesky gays ramming something down their throats.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
It’s a question of style and tone Moyest – concepts with which you’re clearly unfamiliar. The fact you admit above that your main purpose in life is to ‘wind people up’ shows your true motivation – thanks for sharing that with us. Finally confirming what most of us already know, but still, at least a modicum of self-awareness is eventually being shown. After a fashion.
If we’re going to win – why not be graceful in victory?
Why do some of us feel we “have” to taunt our virtual enemies even while basking in the afterglow? This type of badger-baiting of the vanquished serves no useful purpose.
MoyestWithExcitement
I like how you think you speak for other people. Classic bitter shut in behaviour. I’m sure “everyone” is really impressed with your convoluted defence of bigots though.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
That’s ok Moyest. You can clean up that slobber off your chin now. At least one other commenter has chipped in to say they ‘agree’ with you and you’re ‘right’ this time.
MoyestWithExcitement
What is it with you homophones and your obsession with sexuall imagery?
Jordofthejungle
You have hit the nail on the head Moyes. Rehab revealed his true self above with the tired yet revealing “ram it down people’s throats” line. Two guys kissing in Rehab’s skewed world view transforms something relatively innocuous into a public sex-act. For most of us Rehab, a kiss is just a kiss. The fact you perceive gay people as walking sex acts is for yourself to sort out.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Sorry Jord – you’re only revealing your own peevishness there. Don’t be reading any literal meaning into the phrase ‘ramming’. That’s your little dirty mind at you again.
Jordofthejungle
Sweetpea, you do have a nasty habit of hoisting yourself with your own petard. I’m not buying your not-so-convincing potty-mouthed little comeback. Sorry about it.
Paul Bonass
Rehab, I wouldn’t have called it a competition that was “won”
But I suppose the real ‘victory’ will be when myself and the media can share pictures of this celebration and it not be deemed as ramming down people’s throats.
Anyway, Take care.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Agreed. Good luck to you Paul.
Paul Bonass
Agreed!
Starina
g’wan Bonass!
Frilly Keane
I’ve yet ta’ be invited to a wedding
load’a a fuss over nothing
I don’t feel so bad now for not keeping up the Weigh-watchers
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
It’s not you, Frilly, it’s them. Every single one of them.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
How do you know a gay man when you see one?
He’ll be spouting off some crap about #MarRef as if no-one ever got married before
FIGHT!
Rob_G
Q: How can you tell a self-loathing, closeted gay man?
A: He will make snarky comments undermining the achievements of the marriage equality campaign on the Internet, but still pull himself off to old Take That videos when his wife is out shopping.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Thank you for sharing that intimate, personal moment with us.
Jordofthejungle
Back off desperado.
Dubh Linn
SNORE!
Nigel
They’ll be responding to people going nuts over a picture of them kissing, as if no-one ever posted a picture of people kissing before!
Cup of tea anyone?
If it was two women kissing I doubt Mitt would have been feeling as unwell.
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
He’d have been feeling something*, alright.
*HIS MICKEY.
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
This is great! Congrats! More lovely weddings!
Liam from Lixnaw
i thought the number of marriages would be higher than that to be honest
The Real Jane
Sure they’ve had barely a year – it’s not that quick to organise a wedding.
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
My wedding took 4 weeks to plan *smug face*
But I’ve noticed in Ireland most people seem to wait ages because of waits for hotels etc so suspect that’s most of it. Plus the registry offices are not nice and people want nice.
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
The one near the Grand Canal Dock isn’t TOO bad: the guy who married us was really lovely which made up for the surroundings somewhat. Though the photo opps outside are brutal.
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
Lovely weddings! Congrats! More weddings!
The Real Jane
4 weeks? That’s some work! Ours took 8 months due to a convenient cancellation and I thought that was unseemly haste!
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
Ha. Tbf, it was small, at a registry office, few pics and back to nice restaurant for afters. I do appreciate some people have huge weddings that take a bit more time and getting RSVPs is a total complete nightmare. JUST REPLY PEOPLE DO YOU WANT FREE FOOD AND DRINK OR NOT!
But seriously, there’s not reallllyyy that much to do I dont think
– Nice dress and suit
– Nice venue
– Music
– Guests you don’t hate
– Booze and food
– Hair/makeup person
– Photo person
So, like a decision a week!
Gary Byrne
This is Brilliant and the name just tops it off. Big congrats lads.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
The whole wedding obsession thing here is a bit fupped up.
In similar sized but more mature countries like Denmark etc people have moved on from the patriarchal bondage aspect of this pageant and social progress means creating equality about actually important areas which affect large swathes of society generally like parental leave, child rearing, adequate social creche and pre-school provision (e.g. not a perverse catholic ethos).
Well done to the gays who fought a brilliant campaign to get this over the line (in fairness) but socially, Ireland has bigger fish to fry. #MarRef has a distinct bang of bread and circuses and throwing a dog a bone to it. Sorry.
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
Are you *really* sorry?
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Yes I am andy. I’m a big picture sort of guy and I understand intuitively how power dynamics work.
I know what I’m saying probably would not make me too popular here but I can’t think of a nicer way.
Gav D
“If you don’t have anything nice to say…”
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Yes, must try harder.
Dubh Linn
Big picture me hole, if the marriage referendum taught this country anything, it is how to market, organise and win a referendum victory. A lesson that can be now applied to any other issue. That’s the BIG PIC.
Now tell me my blue sky thinking is flawed Mr. Gekko.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
haha ok
Well it’s flawed as follows
I’ve already set it below but ok
The marriage referendum directly affects a very small number of people. Sure it took some effort to actually get out the vote and it was a brilliant campaign, focusing as it did on the fact that sure everyone knows someone who is a bit gay and isn’t it all so unfair etc etc? At the end of the day however it was a win:win for the government – seen to be fair, progressive etc while at the same time actively driving whole swathes of the population into poverty, handing over national assets to vulture capitalists etc. This is the big picture. I respectfully suggest that if you think otherwise you are an amadán.
rotide
In fairness Dubh Linn, the referendum from the start was a slam dunk. It was always going to pass . There was literally no good reason to vote no. The lessons to be taken from it on how to convert the minority who were wavering is going to be much harder to apply to future referendums where the issues aren’t so black and white.
Jordofthejungle
“I understand intuitively how power dynamics work”. Well hark at you Rehab!
PS Thank you for the mirth.
Nigel
Yes, let’s minimise the achievement, diminish the result and dismiss the whole thing as if it couldn’t possibly mean anything to anyone.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Lol – he don’t like it up ‘im
Gav D
… Says the poster obsessing about gays “ramming it down our throats”.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Nuance my dear boy, nuance.
Jordofthejungle
+1 Hoisted up by his own petard.
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
This. It was a great decision for Ireland. Never forget people around the world are still killed, raped, assaulted for being gay. Anything that shows people there is hope has to be good.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Yes it was. But there are more important things for Ireland that also need to be dealt with.
Nigel
One would question why these important things are only raised in the abstract in the context of gay marriage, and what it is about the gay marriage referendum and the ongoing campaign for gay rights that somehow imperils there important things.
Dubh Linn
You mean there are things more important to YOU in your limited view of the world.
The rest of us like celebrating catalysts for change as they are an indicator of better things to come for everyone not just the me-feiners.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
@ Nigel – yeah – excellent point.
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
This is a silly argument. It implies people can only be concerned about one issue at a time, which is clearly not the case.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
@ Don
No it doesn’t. It implies there should be a set of national priorities for policy areas that need urgent attention. Like it or not, gay marriage is only a low ranking one.
Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní
Gay marriage isn’t one because it’s done. The list of priorities is longer than one. This argument simply doesn’t hold. You can argue for gay marriage/repeal 8th/unicorns for everyone AS WELL as economic stability/free rails cards/what else you think is important.
But, some of those policies will also benefit “marginalised” groups, like women, older people, babies, men etc. Social progress is about improving things for everyone yes but doing so by focusing on the most vulnerable and starting there. Well, good evidence based policy would do that but lord knows, we are waiting for that.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Well I agree with you Don
I’m merely saying gays are not the “most” vulnerable group.
I guess you’re correct though overall ;(
Jordofthejungle
Quite strange Rehab that I don’t see you name appear in the comment section when these important issues crop up on Broadsheet which they do frequently. A tad hypocritical of you don’t you think?
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
So sorry Jord – can you send me a text alert next time I need to comment?
Jordofthejungle
Sweetpea, no need to go to such lengths. You could just say you don’t a flying fig about the “important” issues. Sorry about it. (#2)
Jordofthejungle
*give a flying fig* lol
Rob_G
People in Scandinavia get married in similar numbers to people in Ireland; ‘marriage’ (as in, the Christian institution) is but one incarnation of the idea of two people who love each other deciding to pledge themselves to one another.
The State has traditionally conferred certain benefits to married couples; for a long time, in most countries, same-sex couples were denied these benefits. This is why many people were excited about the marriage referendum, and what the decision represented (even if they feel non-plussed about the institution of marriage per se).
– but, you probably understand all of this, and merely wished to be contrarian – well done you.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
you’re being deliberately obtuse and trying to twist my words – well done you
Of course I understand all this – it’s all blindingly obvious
What I’m trying to avoid is that in terms of social progress , dickhead politicos say – well we brought in the Mar Ref – what more do you want? Social progress is about bringing forward equality and justice for everyone, not just for a marginalised group (no matter how important it is to them and no-one is downplaying this here either, despite the sneering nannygoats on this thread – the usual guys every day so no matter – they’re mostly harmless anyway)
You know I’m right on this. Enemies of social progress have published and publicly stated they strategically oppose even the slightest advances for fear it will ‘pollute’ the conservative, brain-dead, feral, backward, peasant society they wish to preserve in aspic.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
Sorry – I meant to write ‘penishead’
Gary Byrne
Rehab – Its the weekend that’s in it, just let it go. Your approach is way off, i see you are trying to make a point but i feel its not coming across in the best light. I’m glad Bonass put you back in your place and for once im actually agreeing with Moyest which is a first for me.
They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab
That’s right. Because this important debate is all about ‘putting people back in their place’ and Moyest being ‘right’ and you agreeing with him. On a website. Got it.
St. John Smythe
says the person who has posted about 30 times on this topic alone, about 90% of them being retorts.
Gary Byrne
Snore
Gers
its been said already but i wish people wouldn’t respond to troll, even if that person is on the picture.
Peter Dempsey
I got married in a church and had the reception in a hotel. Is that ok?
some old queen
Paul’s response was spot on. The only way to deal with muppets like that is a slap. The argument that such a retort alienates people is nonsense and somewhat homophobic because no other minority would be asked to do likewise.
I think the point most people miss about the marriage referendum is that while the numbers getting married are relatively small, the wider knock on effect has been huge. In particular the impact on gays in rural Ireland as they are coming out all over the place.
Long may it last.
The Key of G
Dear this kind of Neanderthal testosterone driven reaction is precisely the type of reason why neutral people remain unchanged in the face of minority oppression. I’m sure it also gives the permanently unhinged some kind of “excuse” for their homophobic tendencies.
St. John Smythe
did anyone stop to condsider that Mitt might have just be talking about the quality of the jpeg compression??
some old queen
Perhaps he would like to clarify himself?
St. John Smythe
he probably should, some people seem to just pixel and choose what to get offended about
That is an awesome surname.
Apt
It is certainly bona to vada it.
Good man Paul – and congratulations on your recent nuptials .
Oh yes: I should have said that too. Congrats & much happiness to you guys.
Is he married?
He said “partner”.
Can confirm not married yet! Don’t rush me, we’ve two mothers on the case already
As the Gay would say
“Merciful hour”
Can well imagine. Lovely pic and best of luck with the mammy management :)
Why would you automatically assume that only people who are bigots are feeling annoyed observing your social media effluvium?
Has it occurred to you that your personal, intimate moments are actually meaningless to the vast majority of us, and that no-one actually gives a fupp?
Probably not judging by the camp hysteria on display and the maudlin attention-seeking behaviour.
Your comment reveals a lot about your own bigoted mindset.
“Why would you automatically assume that only people who are bigots are feeling annoyed observing your social media effluvium?”
That is the only rational reason for it. Good try though.
“Why would you automatically assume that only people who are bigots are feeling annoyed…and that no-one actually gives a fupp?”
If you’re just trolling, you need to pay more attention to detail. If you mean it, you’re a touch dim.
Tiresome. Have you anything of value to add on the substantive point Moyest other than cutting and pasting those parts at which you want to troll on? Please fupp off.
But you haven’t made any substantive points. Tell you what, stop saying really stupid things and I’ll leave you alone. K?
Really? Try reading it again.
OK *glances over your hysterical drivel* Nope. Nothing substantive.
You’re a tiresome, pedantic, unpleasant troll… it’s seriously time to grow up now son.
It’s a shame as I find I tend to agree with you on a lot of points. However the substance of what you have to say is generally lost in the unfortunate tendency you have to belittle others and denigrate their point of view. This means that overall you achieve the exact opposite of the intended outcome.
#UKW – Ultimate Keyboard Warrior.
Devil is in the detail here.
This wasn’t some sensitive personal intimate moment for us that we wheel out for attention. It was an impromptu celebration kiss as we stood in the centre of Dublin Castle surrounded by thousands of others celebrating the final ‘YES’ count – I doubt anyone even noticed us other than the press photographers.
We don’t flaunting this image in people’s faces, infact we’ve no control over if the media choose to use it in news stories or posts. However I’m certainly proud when it is used because represents much more than a PDA.
“You’re a tiresome, pedantic, unpleasant troll… it’s seriously time to grow up now son.”
Bitter shut ins like you are so easy and satisfying to wind up it, it has me almost pitching a tent.
Thanks Paul. I probably didn’t even deserve a reply to be honest.
But you did send in this screenshot to Broadsheet, didn’t you?
Irrespective of whether you felt justifiably proud of your reply to this meathead, you’re not shy now in drawing attention to yourself and your own reaction to it. This kind of stuff is completely counter-productive to your ’cause’ in my view – that’s all. You’ve already won – you don’t need to a) ram it down people’s throats or b) respond to this kind of idiot at all. He’s a dying breed and kicking a sick dog won’t win you any new friends. Congratulations on your impending nuptials by the way.
Yes, Paul. Homophobic bigots should be allowed to speak freely without fear of you pesky gays ramming something down their throats.
It’s a question of style and tone Moyest – concepts with which you’re clearly unfamiliar. The fact you admit above that your main purpose in life is to ‘wind people up’ shows your true motivation – thanks for sharing that with us. Finally confirming what most of us already know, but still, at least a modicum of self-awareness is eventually being shown. After a fashion.
If we’re going to win – why not be graceful in victory?
Why do some of us feel we “have” to taunt our virtual enemies even while basking in the afterglow? This type of badger-baiting of the vanquished serves no useful purpose.
I like how you think you speak for other people. Classic bitter shut in behaviour. I’m sure “everyone” is really impressed with your convoluted defence of bigots though.
That’s ok Moyest. You can clean up that slobber off your chin now. At least one other commenter has chipped in to say they ‘agree’ with you and you’re ‘right’ this time.
What is it with you homophones and your obsession with sexuall imagery?
You have hit the nail on the head Moyes. Rehab revealed his true self above with the tired yet revealing “ram it down people’s throats” line. Two guys kissing in Rehab’s skewed world view transforms something relatively innocuous into a public sex-act. For most of us Rehab, a kiss is just a kiss. The fact you perceive gay people as walking sex acts is for yourself to sort out.
Sorry Jord – you’re only revealing your own peevishness there. Don’t be reading any literal meaning into the phrase ‘ramming’. That’s your little dirty mind at you again.
Sweetpea, you do have a nasty habit of hoisting yourself with your own petard. I’m not buying your not-so-convincing potty-mouthed little comeback. Sorry about it.
Rehab, I wouldn’t have called it a competition that was “won”
But I suppose the real ‘victory’ will be when myself and the media can share pictures of this celebration and it not be deemed as ramming down people’s throats.
Anyway, Take care.
Agreed. Good luck to you Paul.
Agreed!
g’wan Bonass!
I’ve yet ta’ be invited to a wedding
load’a a fuss over nothing
I don’t feel so bad now for not keeping up the Weigh-watchers
It’s not you, Frilly, it’s them. Every single one of them.
How do you know a gay man when you see one?
He’ll be spouting off some crap about #MarRef as if no-one ever got married before
FIGHT!
Q: How can you tell a self-loathing, closeted gay man?
A: He will make snarky comments undermining the achievements of the marriage equality campaign on the Internet, but still pull himself off to old Take That videos when his wife is out shopping.
Thank you for sharing that intimate, personal moment with us.
Back off desperado.
SNORE!
They’ll be responding to people going nuts over a picture of them kissing, as if no-one ever posted a picture of people kissing before!
If it was two women kissing I doubt Mitt would have been feeling as unwell.
He’d have been feeling something*, alright.
*HIS MICKEY.
This is great! Congrats! More lovely weddings!
i thought the number of marriages would be higher than that to be honest
Sure they’ve had barely a year – it’s not that quick to organise a wedding.
My wedding took 4 weeks to plan *smug face*
But I’ve noticed in Ireland most people seem to wait ages because of waits for hotels etc so suspect that’s most of it. Plus the registry offices are not nice and people want nice.
The one near the Grand Canal Dock isn’t TOO bad: the guy who married us was really lovely which made up for the surroundings somewhat. Though the photo opps outside are brutal.
Lovely weddings! Congrats! More weddings!
4 weeks? That’s some work! Ours took 8 months due to a convenient cancellation and I thought that was unseemly haste!
Ha. Tbf, it was small, at a registry office, few pics and back to nice restaurant for afters. I do appreciate some people have huge weddings that take a bit more time and getting RSVPs is a total complete nightmare. JUST REPLY PEOPLE DO YOU WANT FREE FOOD AND DRINK OR NOT!
But seriously, there’s not reallllyyy that much to do I dont think
– Nice dress and suit
– Nice venue
– Music
– Guests you don’t hate
– Booze and food
– Hair/makeup person
– Photo person
So, like a decision a week!
This is Brilliant and the name just tops it off. Big congrats lads.
The whole wedding obsession thing here is a bit fupped up.
In similar sized but more mature countries like Denmark etc people have moved on from the patriarchal bondage aspect of this pageant and social progress means creating equality about actually important areas which affect large swathes of society generally like parental leave, child rearing, adequate social creche and pre-school provision (e.g. not a perverse catholic ethos).
Well done to the gays who fought a brilliant campaign to get this over the line (in fairness) but socially, Ireland has bigger fish to fry. #MarRef has a distinct bang of bread and circuses and throwing a dog a bone to it. Sorry.
Are you *really* sorry?
Yes I am andy. I’m a big picture sort of guy and I understand intuitively how power dynamics work.
I know what I’m saying probably would not make me too popular here but I can’t think of a nicer way.
“If you don’t have anything nice to say…”
Yes, must try harder.
Big picture me hole, if the marriage referendum taught this country anything, it is how to market, organise and win a referendum victory. A lesson that can be now applied to any other issue. That’s the BIG PIC.
Now tell me my blue sky thinking is flawed Mr. Gekko.
haha ok
Well it’s flawed as follows
I’ve already set it below but ok
The marriage referendum directly affects a very small number of people. Sure it took some effort to actually get out the vote and it was a brilliant campaign, focusing as it did on the fact that sure everyone knows someone who is a bit gay and isn’t it all so unfair etc etc? At the end of the day however it was a win:win for the government – seen to be fair, progressive etc while at the same time actively driving whole swathes of the population into poverty, handing over national assets to vulture capitalists etc. This is the big picture. I respectfully suggest that if you think otherwise you are an amadán.
In fairness Dubh Linn, the referendum from the start was a slam dunk. It was always going to pass . There was literally no good reason to vote no. The lessons to be taken from it on how to convert the minority who were wavering is going to be much harder to apply to future referendums where the issues aren’t so black and white.
“I understand intuitively how power dynamics work”. Well hark at you Rehab!
PS Thank you for the mirth.
Yes, let’s minimise the achievement, diminish the result and dismiss the whole thing as if it couldn’t possibly mean anything to anyone.
Lol – he don’t like it up ‘im
… Says the poster obsessing about gays “ramming it down our throats”.
Nuance my dear boy, nuance.
+1 Hoisted up by his own petard.
This. It was a great decision for Ireland. Never forget people around the world are still killed, raped, assaulted for being gay. Anything that shows people there is hope has to be good.
Yes it was. But there are more important things for Ireland that also need to be dealt with.
One would question why these important things are only raised in the abstract in the context of gay marriage, and what it is about the gay marriage referendum and the ongoing campaign for gay rights that somehow imperils there important things.
You mean there are things more important to YOU in your limited view of the world.
The rest of us like celebrating catalysts for change as they are an indicator of better things to come for everyone not just the me-feiners.
@ Nigel – yeah – excellent point.
This is a silly argument. It implies people can only be concerned about one issue at a time, which is clearly not the case.
@ Don
No it doesn’t. It implies there should be a set of national priorities for policy areas that need urgent attention. Like it or not, gay marriage is only a low ranking one.
Gay marriage isn’t one because it’s done. The list of priorities is longer than one. This argument simply doesn’t hold. You can argue for gay marriage/repeal 8th/unicorns for everyone AS WELL as economic stability/free rails cards/what else you think is important.
But, some of those policies will also benefit “marginalised” groups, like women, older people, babies, men etc. Social progress is about improving things for everyone yes but doing so by focusing on the most vulnerable and starting there. Well, good evidence based policy would do that but lord knows, we are waiting for that.
Well I agree with you Don
I’m merely saying gays are not the “most” vulnerable group.
I guess you’re correct though overall ;(
Quite strange Rehab that I don’t see you name appear in the comment section when these important issues crop up on Broadsheet which they do frequently. A tad hypocritical of you don’t you think?
So sorry Jord – can you send me a text alert next time I need to comment?
Sweetpea, no need to go to such lengths. You could just say you don’t a flying fig about the “important” issues. Sorry about it. (#2)
*give a flying fig* lol
People in Scandinavia get married in similar numbers to people in Ireland; ‘marriage’ (as in, the Christian institution) is but one incarnation of the idea of two people who love each other deciding to pledge themselves to one another.
The State has traditionally conferred certain benefits to married couples; for a long time, in most countries, same-sex couples were denied these benefits. This is why many people were excited about the marriage referendum, and what the decision represented (even if they feel non-plussed about the institution of marriage per se).
– but, you probably understand all of this, and merely wished to be contrarian – well done you.
you’re being deliberately obtuse and trying to twist my words – well done you
Of course I understand all this – it’s all blindingly obvious
What I’m trying to avoid is that in terms of social progress , dickhead politicos say – well we brought in the Mar Ref – what more do you want? Social progress is about bringing forward equality and justice for everyone, not just for a marginalised group (no matter how important it is to them and no-one is downplaying this here either, despite the sneering nannygoats on this thread – the usual guys every day so no matter – they’re mostly harmless anyway)
You know I’m right on this. Enemies of social progress have published and publicly stated they strategically oppose even the slightest advances for fear it will ‘pollute’ the conservative, brain-dead, feral, backward, peasant society they wish to preserve in aspic.
Sorry – I meant to write ‘penishead’
Rehab – Its the weekend that’s in it, just let it go. Your approach is way off, i see you are trying to make a point but i feel its not coming across in the best light. I’m glad Bonass put you back in your place and for once im actually agreeing with Moyest which is a first for me.
That’s right. Because this important debate is all about ‘putting people back in their place’ and Moyest being ‘right’ and you agreeing with him. On a website. Got it.
says the person who has posted about 30 times on this topic alone, about 90% of them being retorts.
Snore
its been said already but i wish people wouldn’t respond to troll, even if that person is on the picture.
I got married in a church and had the reception in a hotel. Is that ok?
Paul’s response was spot on. The only way to deal with muppets like that is a slap. The argument that such a retort alienates people is nonsense and somewhat homophobic because no other minority would be asked to do likewise.
I think the point most people miss about the marriage referendum is that while the numbers getting married are relatively small, the wider knock on effect has been huge. In particular the impact on gays in rural Ireland as they are coming out all over the place.
Long may it last.
Dear this kind of Neanderthal testosterone driven reaction is precisely the type of reason why neutral people remain unchanged in the face of minority oppression. I’m sure it also gives the permanently unhinged some kind of “excuse” for their homophobic tendencies.
did anyone stop to condsider that Mitt might have just be talking about the quality of the jpeg compression??
Perhaps he would like to clarify himself?
he probably should, some people seem to just pixel and choose what to get offended about
Oh look, Paul is now on the RTE website.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0522/790089-lgbt-coming-out/
Maybe this is a good place to post this?
Petition to ‘Say YES to Marriage Equality in Northern Ireland’. Please sign.
https://www.change.org/p/office-of-the-first-minister-and-deputy-first-minister-stop-the-dup-using-the-petition-of-concern-to-veto-marriage-equality-in-northern-ireland
Thanks SOQ, signed
You should put the link on some more threads on here, especially in the week when alot more commenters are on :-D