Uncool Sunnings

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Last night.

Temple Bar, Dublin 2. and Aston Quay, Dublin 2

Unidentified gentlemen dressed as the Jamaican Bobsleigh team soak up the outrage.

Nothing we haven’t seen already better done at the Boyle St Patrick’s Day parade, in total fairness.

Fight!

Group of men in Dublin cause outrage by wearing blackface (Joe.ie)

Pics via RPJ Opinion, jessica Ngozi Chichi McDonald

179 thoughts on “Uncool Sunnings

  1. Panty Christ

    World is gone p.c. mad. If I wanted to dress up as a Welsh coal miner, I’d need to black up and still people would find the racial angle. Load of nonsense.

    1. pedeyw

      Not if you explained you were a welsh coal miner. These lads aren’t doing that though. PC mad my arse. Black face was never cool.

      1. Nigel

        A Welsh coal-mining men’s choir ballet-dancing bob sleigh team overcomes prejudice and preconception to bring music, dance, black lung, and high-speed ice racing to the valleys and hills of Cymru.

          1. dav

            racists don’t want to learn, they just want to reiterate their ignorance again and use it as some form of argument.

          2. Anomanomanom

            Another person who cant answer the question. Dressing up as famous black people is not racist.

        1. Nigel

          No-one has ever explained why blackface is racist, ever. it’s a mystery. There are no explanations out there, anywhere. People genuinely interested parties are reduced to plaintive repeated question in comment sections. Where nobody answers the question. Ever.

          1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Lke Nigel, I’m no racist but I just don’t understand how it is racist because some black people don’t find it racist and isn’t it just dressing up. All I’m doing is asking the #hardquestions to get to the #truth the people want to know, why won’t they tell me the #truth!!!

            Something like that in every single one of these posts….

      2. classter

        It is a slightly tricky one.

        Blackface attracts the opprobrium it does because of what it represented in the US at a particular time – racist, stereotyping, minstrel shows, being an easy target and a lack of employment or cultural opportunities in mainstream society.

        One could argue that it is different in Ireland as we had almost no black people & there is not the same legacy of ‘blackface’. Usually when it is done here, it is being done in a light-hearted, largely respectful & affectionate manner, even though it is rather easy to veer into a sort of black ‘paddywhackery’.

        That being said, we share much culture with the US & one is better off avoiding ever doing blackface, given what that legacy does mean in our common western culture. The criticism is overdone however.

  2. Eoin

    It’s pretty hard to impersonate a black person without black face (if you are white) surely? But just once I’d like to see some black person in white face impersonating some white celebrity.

    1. Nigel

      I don’t normally set much store by white-person/first-world problem things, but the difficulty of dressing up as a black person without blackface is a quintessentially poignant white person problem.

  3. MoyestWithExcitement

    I was going to say that white guys dressing up as *specific* black people isn’t necessarily racist and then I saw the two thick looking culchies on the right of the picture.

  4. Bort

    They got booed by all the Dublin fans when 2 of them walked passed the Hill 16 Pub on Sunday

  5. Sido

    Crikey – Dublin is a hotbed of racism – so it seems. You would never get away with this sort of thing in roscommon

  6. Baz

    They’ve really over stepped the line of decency with the prettier than in reality Serena Williams doubling as doorman in the shot taken outside OSJ Gogartys

    1. Owen

      Stalking level: Master.

      Some odd pooon her page alright. “I’m not a racist but…” is always a good starting point for a thoughtful discussion.

  7. Otis Blue

    Where do we stand on the Golliwog issue?

    I only ask as I saw one on display in a bar/restaurant in the midlands a couple of years ago.

    1. rotide

      They renamed them to Golly Bars and then they disapeared from fridges, which is the real crime if you ask me.

      Golly bars were lovely.

    1. Nigel

      I wasn’t a fan, but I thought the point of Ali G was the fact that he was a middle-class white-boy wannabe rap artist? Otherwise ‘Is it because I is black?’ kinda stops being funny.

    2. MoyestWithExcitement

      He wasn’t tanned face. No colouring on his skin. He was supposed to be a white guy who thinks he’s black.

        1. MoyestWithExcitement

          Ok. Some woman who writes for The Guardian thinks he was blacking up. Doesn’t mean he was actually blacking up.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            He blacked up in as much as was necessary for the character. And if you are going to tell me that his Tropicana tan as the Ali G presenter is not the same thing, then it’s good to know that there is a ‘grey’ area.

            He was also blacked up in every other sense of the character he was playing. Even Nigel recognises that below.

            I guess, what I am saying or trying to point out, is that it can be about context. Acceptable in one form, not in another depending on the portrayal.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            :He blacked up in as much as was necessary for the character.”

            He literally didn’t black up at all.

            “And if you are going to tell me that his Tropicana tan as the Ali G presenter is not the same thing”

            I won’t be doing that because, again, he literally didn’t black up. He didn’t change the colour of his skin.

            “I guess, what I am saying or trying to point out, is that it can be about context”

            And in this context there was no blacking up.

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            No need. Reality is reality. If you want to delude yourself into thinking something else so you can feel better about being annoyed at people who are calling the lads in the picture racist, you go right ahead.

          4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Hmm…. it is very hard to tell how blacking up for comedic effect and creating a satirical representation of the repeated colonisation of black urban culture by overprivileged white kids is different from blacking up because you think it’s hilarious #bantswiththeladsontour

          5. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            I love it hwo you get all passive aggressive when you are caught out

        2. Nigel

          >Rather than a racist caricature, Ali G was an ingenious device for revealing racism. Baron Cohen wasn’t sending up black people; he was sending up people who affect blackness, and, in turn, his interviewees, who invariably responded to the supreme idiocy of their host with unguarded condescension or squirming embarrassment, compounded by their reluctance to point out said idiocy for fear of looking like a racist.

          It’s a bit layered, inasmuch as he was playing a white person impersonating the mannerisms of black people, but no actual blackface was involved.

          1. St. John Smythe

            THIS IS BLACKFACE? Clampers, promise us you won’T get behind the wheel of a car until you’ve been to Specsavers. Lives might be lost.

  8. On The Buses

    So this is a crossed line but the horrible orange body paint that a very high proportion of irish women slather on themselves is fine?

    1. MoyestWithExcitement

      Trying to look more tanned is not the same as presenting black people as comedic novelty characters.

      1. On The Buses

        I believe you are projecting that they are being presented as comedic and novelty. They were heroes in the movie Cool Runnings. Why would you not presume that they were presenting the Jamaican bobsled team as the underdog heroes that they are clearly depicted as in the film?

        1. MoyestWithExcitement

          Andd who were the 2 boys in polo neck t-shirts and baseball caps supposed to be?

          1. On The Buses

            I have no idea. I do know these fellas motives at all. Do you know?

            I find it interesting that you did not address my point however.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            “I have no idea”

            Well then.

            “Do you know?”

            They thought dressing up as black people would be a funny thing to do on a pish up.

            “I find it interesting that you did not address my point however.”

            Sure you do.

          3. pedeyw

            No, but motives are beside the point when the act itself (dressing up in blackface) is racist.

          4. Tony

            Who says? You? Was there a memo?
            What gives you the right to assign motives to the actions of another?

          5. MoyestWithExcitement

            I wouldn’t say dressing up as a specific black person is racist in itself and I might have given the “Jamaican” lads benefit of the doubt but their baseball cap wearing buddies change the context.

          6. rotide

            Surely if it’s racist to dress up as ‘a black person’, it’s just as racist to dress up as Usain Bolt, completely with blackface.

          7. rotide

            A lot of black people would disagree with you there.

            I think both are insensitive but neither case is racist.

          8. Nigel

            rotide – I think ‘it depends’ covers a lot of ground here. With blackface definitely out, anything else is dependent on factors too numerous to list. But I’m pretty sure that calling up a black friend or acquaintance and saying, hey, you’re black, is this Usain Bolt costume racist? won’t endear you very much, even if it isn’t.

            In this case there’s a spectrum, and it’s impossible to judge from photos. They could be anything from just stupid and ignorant to aggressively provocative racist assholes. Which is one reason why blackface in and of itself always gives one pause.

          9. rotide

            Oh I fully understand why some people consider blackface racist.

            What I was questioning was the ridiculous notion that blackface when portraying a specific black person is fine, but a group of them isn’t.

  9. Waddy Dilson

    Can anyone explain what is actually happening?
    I mean, I thought it was just the lads in the bobsled outfits but there’s a rake of people with blacked up faces…
    I’m not outraged in the slightest, just curious.

  10. Tony

    Cultural appropriation is the SJW term for what is going on here. According to SJW’s the rule means that you can’t dress up in another persons cultural or racial attire because it could be seen as mocking. Not sure what happens when people like Tommy T and Katherine Lynch do Traveller accents and everyone laughs along, or when people adopt the accents of others to make a joke and everyone laughs. Blackface seems to have a particular sting due to the vaudeville acts in the theatres of the 20’s and 30’s. This has nothing to do with Cool Runnings which was a popular movie about an unlikely team of black jokers taking on snow…

    1. They Tried To Make Me Go To Rehab

      I’ll tell you what cracks me up. When unintelligent morons adopt the paraphernalia and garb of informed commenters, using big words and other rhetorical constructs to explain what some other internet moron ‘thinks’

      1. Tony

        You dont know here to go do you? So you resort to the usual name calling hatred that defines you.

      2. Owen

        What’s really going on here is a group of social retards not understanding a slightly socially unacceptable thing to so, and not having any cop on. And then you have a load of other people who value their over PC opinions on the matter.

        1. Nigel

          And the other load of people who value their bravely anti-PC opinions and affect not to understand why it is slightly socially unacceptable because their freedoms to dress up and paint their faces black is being infringed.

          1. Nigel

            You don’t? Bless your innocent heart. They’re very tedious and full of themselves, so you’re not missing much

        2. bisted

          …so it’s not a brit stag party…coming over here with their blacks and their dogs…

    2. pedeyw

      Blackface is not cultural appropriation. It’s just racism. You can’t seperate the cultural conotations. If you have to explain to people why what you’re doing isn’t blackface you’re already in trouble.

      1. Tony

        Again, says who? Or is it just your opinion for today? Why is it racist? Im genuinely interested.

        1. Nigel

          You literally explained why in your comment above: because it is indelibly associated with the black and white minstrel shows which were appallingly racist.

          1. Tony

            That doesn’t hold water. This is not a black and white minstrel show and it is not the 30’s – 50’s. Its about Cool Runnings which was a movie the 90’s. Most people on the streets wouldn’t have a clue about the b&w minstrel shows so would never make that association. If its just your opinion, thats fine. But to present it as fact is just plain wrong.

          2. The Real Jane

            It’s OK Tony, you can drop the stupid act now. The movie Cool Runnings was not about people doing blackface. The Black and White Minstrel Show was people doing blackface. I know you get the distinction. I mean, I see that you think it’s hilarious to troll the right on PC types, but for future reference, I suggest stopping at the point where you look like a tedious half wit.

            It’s a fine line, I know, but you really will have more success.

          3. Tony

            My dear Jane, if I was to take advice, it wouldn’t be from you. So thanks, but no thanks. Now if you want to deal with the issues I raise rather than engage in some sun-stroked rant, please feel free to engage. Otherwise, find another cause to hang your ribbon on.

          4. Nigel

            I didn’t say it was a black and white minstrel show I said blackface, whether of Cool Runnings, John Shaft, Beyonce or Martin Luther King, is indelibly associated with the black and white minstrel shows. Other people’s supposed ignorance is neither a virtue nor an excuse, even if it wasn’t just a bald assertion on your part in the same comment where you try to take me to task about being factual. You pretending to find it ridiculous is utterly irrelevant. If you’re genuinely interested in the cultural history of blackface, go find what black people have written on the subject. If you’re not genuinely interested, stay here on this thread and try to start a stupid argument with me.

          5. Tony

            I think you had a better grip of it earlier in the thread when it was being looked at as context specific. This is a bunch of lads having a laugh at copying a well known movie where the joke was Jamaicans on snow. Are they uncouth, maybe, ill judged, possibly. However, such is the toxic nature of debate nowadays is that a bunch of people rush to call them racist. This is the new aspect of such debates I object to as it only serves to stifle debate rather than lead to common understanding. You know well the rush to judgement and name calling I refer to. It becomes a dangerous world when one set of self styled guardians seek to judge and oppress people based on their points of view.

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            Yeah, it’s the racists who are oppressed, not the people they are trying to oppress. That’s some quality trolling there, Trollny…..sorry, no. I meant the opposite of that.

          7. pedeyw

            In fairness calling them racist and calling what they’re doing racist is not the same thing. Also: “It becomes a dangerous world when one set of self styled guardians seek to judge and oppress people based on their points of view.” and yet you also dismiss such opinions as merely those of “SJWs”. There is no suppression of debate going on. Calling some “lads having a laugh” out for doing something some might consider a bit off is not the same as stifling debate, it is the essence of debate.

          8. The Real Jane

            *Now if you want to deal with the issues I raise rather than engage in some sun-stroked rant, please feel free to engage.*

            Bleating “I AM A FEARLESS ICONOCLAST ON THE INTERNET” isn’t raising an issue.

          9. Nigel

            You can call it a rush to judgement if you like, I just think it’s stating the bleedin’ obvious.. Blackface is racist. People who wear it are, as you say, at best uncouth and ignorant. A bit like Cork fans and their Confederate flag. Suggesting that merely stating this oblivious and unarguable fact is somehow oppressive seems more like a way of shutting down debate than engaging with it. If your idea of a common understanding starts with not being able to identify bad behaviour then I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to achieve other than shutting up people who identify bad behaviour. The black star of the new Ghostbusters movie was chased of Twitter yesterday under a barrage of the most ferocious racial abuse. Am i being toxic for judging those responsible as racist? Am i making the world dangerous for those people and their point of view? Am I trying to oppress them?

          10. Tony

            The difference between us is that we don’t share the same understanding of bad behaviour in the modern terms that they are described by SJW’s. This is a relatively new phenomena whereby everyday activities, from the stupid to the serene, can be described in terms which makes them suddenly toxic. And all because someone says so and has a twitter mob to back them up. These new terms do not take dissenting voices into consideration and unfairly clamps them with pejorative terms. This cannot be allowed to proceed as it is just making everything much more toxic, and not less. It is often the velvet wrapped fist whereby “good people” use new language and terms to deny “bad people” their opinions. The old medieval church had nothing on this form of intellectual and emotional blackmail.

          11. Nigel

            This seems like a long-winded justification for attacking or silencing the people who call out racism rather than the racists. Pointing out that something is wrong and horrible is emotional blackmail? My scathing criticism of blackface hasn’t stopped these guys from wandering around Dublin. PC twitter mobs didn’t stop the torrent of abuse directed at the Ghostbusters star last night. Those dissenting voices are stronger than ever! Dissenting, apparently , from the view that she is a fully human being entitled to a modicum of dignity and respect, but hey. it’s a view and it mustn’t be suppressed or shame with pejorative terms! We certainly wouldn’t want to suddenly make them toxic or anything!

          12. pedeyw

            The problem with your wgrument, here Tony is that you are being as dismissive of opposing views as those you claim are being of yours. The use of belittleing names througout and “that’s just, like, your opinion man” arguments (it’s a comments section, of course it’s just my opinion, it doesn’t need to be stated) and most of all the term SJW, which is a direct ploy to dismiss anything you don’t like as overly PC and sensitive.

          13. Tony

            Oh please stop with the victimhood. I am called horrible names all the time on here by those purporting to be “good people”. So a bit less of that please. I use the term SJW because it is an internationally recognised name for the kind of people I find constitute the greatest threat to our society. I am not alone, in countries where the SJW thing has gone too far, the inevitable backlash is growing and will continue to do so. So SJW’s have the exact opposite effect than that which they purport to seek. They cause division with their judgement and toxic blaming. IMHO they are dangerous exactly because they crawl among us unseen. They need to be outed for what they are.

          14. Nigel

            Blaming racists for being racist, calling racist things racists: the real toxicity! Can you blame the racists for pushing back against the people who call them racists? The people who call them racists are being judgmental and divisive and crawl amongst them unseen! There’s nothing divisive or judgmental or crawl-unseeningy about being racist!

            Oh and SJW is totally not pejorative because people who hate SJWs use that term about the SJWs they hate all the time so it is an internationally reognised term for this group of people they hate!

            Awesome.

          15. pedeyw

            Sorry, what victimhood? I was merely pointing out that you were commiting the very thing that you were accusing others of.

          16. MoyestWithExcitement

            “I use the term SJW because it is an internationally recognised name”

            The term ‘racist’ is also internationally recognised.

            “for the kind of people I find constitute the greatest threat to our society.”

            See, this is why it’s difficult to work out if this is all an act or you’re genuinely dim. I just cannot fathom how anyone could think that, let alone say it out loud and not expect people to laugh at you.

          17. Nigel

            You’ve generally quite scrupulous in avoiding direct responses to anything I ever say in my comments, so it stands to reason the one time you quote me is from a comment directed at someone else. You’re so adorably egregious.

          18. Tony

            And as you said to clampers- “It’s also nice to respond directly to other people’s arguments instead of being elliptical and enigmatic and obscure or virtually rolling your eyes because we can’t seem to understand”

            You’re welcome!

          19. Nigel

            This is the usual point where your ability to even pretend to hold a discussion dissolves like a soggy biscuit. I’m sorry you lost another internet argument Tony. I’m sure you’ll compensate by getting increasingly random and personal from here out.

        2. Tony

          Moyest-And the fact that you cannot ever fathom that anyone else might have a point of view will always keep you in the dark.

          Nigel- I’m just blaming SJW’s for being judgemental, toxic beings who are a pox on modern society and do more harm than good.

          Peewee- I dont go around pretending to be a nice guy while judging everyones actions by new terms that I don’t even understand.. thats the difference.

          1. Nigel

            Nigel- I’m just blaming SJW’s for being judgemental, toxic beings who are a pox on modern society and do more harm than good.

            Peewee- I dont go around pretending to be a nice guy while judging everyones actions by new terms that I don’t even understand.. thats the difference.

            Tony, ladies and gentlemen. he’s here all week, try the veal and tip your waitperson.

          2. Tony

            Oh stop always looking to the crowd for support. You are here, do your own talking. We’ve had this chat Nigel. Now please, a little bit of effort. Thanks.

          3. Tony

            And as you said to clampers- “It’s also nice to respond directly to other people’s arguments instead of being elliptical and enigmatic and obscure or virtually rolling your eyes because we can’t seem to understand”

            You’re welcome!

          4. Nigel

            Oops, posted this in hte wrong place first time. Wouldn’t want you to miss it.

            You’ve generally quite scrupulous in avoiding direct responses to anything I ever say in my comments, so it stands to reason the one time you quote me is from a comment directed at someone else. You’re so adorably egregious.

          5. Tony

            Because you never listen, I have to post this twice. TWICE!!!

            And as you said to clampers- “It’s also nice to respond directly to other people’s arguments instead of being elliptical and enigmatic and obscure or virtually rolling your eyes because we can’t seem to understand”

    3. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      Sh&^ lads! Tony’s got a hold of rulebook! Now we will never make the world our PC utopia!!!

  11. Liam from Lixnaw

    When did Lyons tea stop depicting Minstrels in their adverts? I’d say it was the 90’s – which sounds unbelievable late to persist with it, yet i can remember as a kid knowing that it couldn’t be tolerated/accepted by everyone.

    Cool runnings was release in 1993.

    Its just 90’s culture coming back into fashion – John Candy is probably not spinning in his grave

  12. Mulder

    The sun has one presumes gone straight to the head combined with the alcohol.
    To give a type of floor show.
    A crude updated version of a thing called the black and white ministeral show.
    Where white folk took to the tele blacked up and singing songs and dancing.
    That was way back in 50s or near not 2016.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      I like how you’ve branched out from feminazis are evilz to the even more ridiculous stance of defending blackface because its not *that* racist.

      1. Anomanomanom

        Its not racist in the context of dressing up as a some famous. Like iv said before, Mr.T was huge in the 80’s and Loads of kids dressed as him. None (well some might be )did it being racist.

        1. Starina

          you can dress up as mr t without blacking up. everyone will get it, he’s pretty distinct.
          why do white people get so upset about being asked to be considerate?!

          1. Anomanomanom

            White people! Simple as this, anyone who thinks people can only dress as people the same colour as them is racist. Black face just to slag is of course racist, doing it because your idol or whatever) ( black is not

      2. Clampers Outside!

        I have not defended blackface once pet.

        What I’ve done is attempted to show that some people think Ali G is acceptable blackface, and even more think Arabface is acceptable. Yet they give out about lads blackening their face. Why is one acceptable and not the other, that’s all I have asked.

        I condoned nothing ya silly billy Kiwi.

        Now pet, do you not see the hypocrisy darling?

        I hope you do, but thanks for contributing all the same even if it is just to have a dig at me, even one that was wide of the mark, that’s fine too pet.

        1. Nigel

          You haven’t actually demonstrated hypocrisy. That link YOU provide actually provides arguments as to why it works as non-racist in Cohen’s case. You were saying that there are contexts where blackface is not racist. So far you have provided one exceptional case as an example. Maybe there are others but the fact that they might exist doesn’t mean that there’s anything wrong with stating that as a general rule of thumb blackface is racist.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            “That link YOU provide actually provides arguments as to why it works as non-racist in Cohen’s case.”

            That’s my point Ted. Why one is acceptable and one is not, because of ‘context’ of the character.
            And then, The Dictator which is clearly a racist portrayal of an Arab is perfectly acceptable in a ‘context’ of ridicule.

            Sorry if this is going over your head Nigel. Maybe i’m ‘mansplaining’… I dunno :)

          2. Nigel

            You ask why, but you provided one link that explains why,or gives one explanation, so I don’t know why you keep asking why. Perhaps I’m taking you up wrong, but you seem to think that because contextual differences mean that there are fairly exceptional examples of someone subverting blackface successfully, then describing the blackface above as racist is hypocritical, which is not really what you have shown. You have identified an exception. You have not identified hypocrisy. (The Dictator thing I don’t know about because I haven’t seen it.)

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            What he’s doing is attacking the ‘PC types’ and ‘SJWs’ in his head who’d call the guys in the pic racist but would laugh at Ali G. Why would you have a problem with someone for pointing out racism and say nothing about the racism? Can’t be too many reasons.

          4. Nigel

            So… what? If The Dictator is racist then it’s racist and not an exception. Are you saying Ali G is the same? Or what? I feel you’re striving for a gotcha without quite knowing what you’re trying to get got.

          5. Nigel

            Actually, you haven’t. Or if you have you’ve been way too subtle about it. So you actually think Ali G is racist? Even though that Guardian link you provided, apparently to back up your point, actually explicitly states otherwise? That was confusing. You know we can’t actually work out your arguments by staring at the clouds and making funny shapes out of them? You have to make actual arguments. It’s also nice to respond directly to other people’s arguments instead of being elliptical and enigmatic and obscure or virtually rolling your eyes because we can’t seem to understand.

        2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          Is that what you’re doing? You don’t think constantly questioning and seeking to undermine people’s arguments on topical issues makes you seem a little too much like you believe exactly what you claim to be against.

          Again with the PA… Charmed, I’m sure. It wasn’t a dig, I’m just saying it how I see it, like you are. What happened that the weight of the world crushed the Clampers of old out of you? Anyway…

          1. Clampers Outside!

            “Again with the PA” ..since when did you start playing like that Don. “Silly billy” is now upsetting…. whatever.

            I am still the Clamps I always was. And I’ll call out feminist propaganda when I see it, because I believe in truth. not propaganda, and equality first for all :)

          2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            When you think that calling someone pet repeatedly isn’t passive aggressive, when you start saying oh you found this innocous comment “silly billy” passive aggressive when no such comment was made, when you claim to be calling out propaganda when all you are doing is questioning whether what women say is real or not… Doing all of that and calling it searching for the truth and equality? Please..

            Get. A. Fupping. Grip. On. Yourself.

          3. Clampers Outside!

            So, you are willing to accept some of Cohen’s characters are racist and not others as racist even though both are puttying on a face…. isn’t that hypocritical? Where’s the line Don….

            Whatever your issue about the ‘1 in 5’ I’m standing by the truth, and call it as pure unadulterated nonsense propaganda, and hear, if you are still deluded enough to believe in that particular piece of man hating propaganda… have a read of this and watch that study get torn apart by a non-partisan and highly respected body in The Washington Post’s retraction / correction / apology for having published the earlier nonsense lies…. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/09/23/the-latest-big-sexual-assault-survey-is-like-others-more-hype-than-science/

            As for questioning whether what a woman says is real or not… when did the world arrive at the state where a woman’s word is everything, and not to be questioned? That’s lunacy. I suppose the men who’ve done time and the men who’ve committed suicide over false claims are just cannon fodder to you…… cop on!

            Grow up yourself, and get your head out of feminist propaganas’ bunghole.

          4. Nigel

            ‘So, you are willing to accept some of Cohen’s characters are racist and not others as racist even though both are puttying on a face…. isn’t that hypocritical?’

            If you think this, why did you provide two links which argued that at least two of Cohen’s characters were not racist? What were they supposed to prove and what were we supposed to think? Why do you make sarcastic remarks about stuff going over people’s heads or nuance being lost on them when you seem to completely miss the points of the links you provide and aggressively reject nuance in favour of a ‘you’re hypocrites because of Ali G’ gotcha?

    2. Nigel

      Not sure there’s a great deal wrong with a Jewish actor playing someone from the Middle East? Seems to me Cohen has actually been pretty careful in his choices.

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        Plus ‘Aren’t Arabs funny?’ does not equal ‘Isn’t this dictator, who comes from a part of the world where there’s lots of dictators at the moment, ridiculous?’

      2. Owen

        Go home and watch Bruno, then come back to that point about being pretty careful in his choices.

        But do watch Bruno. Its a cracker.

        1. Nigel

          Actually I don’t find him all that funny so my knowledge is far from exhaustive. That’s why I’m relying on obscure remarks by Clampers who provides links that seem to contradict his assertions and when I ask him to clarify get a patronising sneer. Clamps is awesome that way.

  13. Mulder

    Ireland introduces, amazing new factor one billion sun screen.
    It really works, a dark, very dark tan in fact, guaranteed.
    Well sort of.
    Keep out of reach of idiots for use by functioning adults only.

  14. Junkface

    Blacking up dressed as Jamaicans, Africans, or Columbian footballers, in any modern western society is racist. If not knowingly intentionally racist, then its just ignorant. Common sense should tell you that its a bad idea to do in a city centre on the weekend.

  15. Mikeyfex

    Who developed that plug-in to ignore Leather Jacket Guy articles? I’ve a request…

      1. Mikeyfex

        Any article where excessive explaining takes place in the comments section. That possible?

  16. some old queen

    Sorry to but into this PC traffic cone swiveling debate but did anyone actually check if any of these minstrels were a real hot choc and/or a BBC?

    1. St. John Smythe

      you’re on fire. flaming. keep it up. I laughed into my milky & weak and white (just like i like them) tea

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