Secondary Picketing






This morning/afternoon

Almost 70% of second-level schools are closed today as the Association of Secondary School Teachers in Ireland (ASTI) engage in the second of a series of one-day strikes over the issue of equal pay for more recently qualified teachers.

From top: Loreto College Dublin 2; pics 2-4: Pobalscoil Neasain, Baldoyle; pic 5: ASTI President Ed Byrne (right) and ASTI General Secretary Kieran Christie and ASTI members

Second day of strike action by ASTI teachers (RTÉ)


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28 thoughts on “Secondary Picketing

  1. Nugget

    Equal pay strike today, Substitution and supervision lockout (strike) yesterday. Will there be separate strike days against Croke Park hours and the new Junior Cycle. Hard to keep track of all the ASTI disputes. Still great to see them finally stand up to the unequal pay issue. How did they ever allow this situation to materialise?

    1. ALisonT

      The Unions asked for it as a way of keeping their pay high. They could easily have taken a bigger cut at the time and never brought in the unequal pay situation.

  2. Anomanomanom

    Its going to go from a trickle to a stream to a flood. Garda and teachers will, eventually, get a deal they want. Then as normal comes the nurse’s and doctors then comes every level of public sector. Its a perfect shit storm

    1. Kieran NYC

      The extra money will have to come out of the departments’ current funding. So if they were to get a deal, it would mean less money for new teachers, schools, etc.

      I wonder how new graduates feel about colleagues with jobs blocking them from being hired?

      1. Anomanomanom

        Typical answer, the current teachers, just an example, are and will not be blocking anyone from getting a job. The government refusing to have adequate resources are at fault. Why should the public sector, yes I work in it, be left on a salary that’s basically been cut below what it was 10 years. I’m honestly glad of my job/salary but it is less than my starting salary 10 years ago.

        1. Patrick Bateman

          Why? Because facts, that’s why.

          If the organisation can’t afford your wages then reality dictates one of two outcomes, either you lose your pay or you lose your job. Take your fupping pick and if you don’t like it then go do something else.

          Yes, I am one of the unfortunates who resides in the real world without the luxury of a permanent & pensionable same as you.

          1. Anomanomanom

            I pay for my pension so that your point gone there. And yes it is permanent, simply because I could get paid more for what I do in the private sector. I choose stability over greed. But facts are facts my wages are still cut more than any other private sector.

  3. DubLoony

    They were all FEMPI’d at the same time.
    There should be an orderly restoration of pay across the board.

    1. Neilo

      Not really feeling that, DubLoony, to be honest: pay restoration sought by public sector unions will lead to a demand for more and more pay rises right as the economy is projected to stutter.

  4. eoghan

    Hard to argue with equal pay for equal work.

    Correct if me if I’m wrong…
    Teachers have no performance targets that could be used as a measure.
    Teachers have no performance reviews that might indicate that the work is equal.
    There are essentially zero consequences for a teacher that consistently turns up on time and immediately switches off until it’s time to go home again.

    Also, was it not teachers themselves that voted for unequal pay for equal work?

    Obviously I am envious of their working hours / holidays / probable job for life type arrangement, but aside from that, I am curious about this.

    1. Jonsmoke

      You are not quite correct on some your points Eoghan.

      ” some forms of teacher appraisal do exist in Ireland:
       The work of student teachers is assessed during and at the end of their teacher
      education programmes and the standards in these programmes are set and
      evaluated by the Teaching Council.
       The Teaching Council sets standards for teacher registration and recognition of
      qualifications and has developed and published a Code of Professional Conduct
      for Teachers.
       Assessment of teachers’ work is a core part of school inspections and feedback
      is given to individual teachers during these inspections. The results of these
      assessments are compiled in the formation of judgements about overall school
      performance, but there is no formal mechanism to provide feedback on individual
      teacher performance to the principal.
       Newly qualified primary teachers undergo a probationary period with external
      appraisal, which is overseen by the Teaching Council.
       At post-primary level, external appraisal of newly qualified teachers is not
      established as a general element of practice. Instead, the principal signs-off on
      the completion of the probationary period by the teacher.
       The Teaching Council has, however, recently launched a pilot scheme,
      Droichead, which seeks to streamline the induction and probationary process for
      newly qualified primary and post-primary teachers. In this scheme, appraisal of
      teacher performance is generally conducted internally by a Professional Support
      Team (including the principal, the mentor and other members of staff), but
      external support is also provided by the inspectorate as required.
       There are also school-level disciplinary procedures to deal with cases of
      underperformance. These are initiated by the school principal in the case of an
      underperforming teacher, or the board of management in the case of an
      underperforming principal and sanctions up to and including dismissal can be
      Outside of the probationary period and cases of underperformance, however, there is no
      formal procedure whereby the quality of an individual teacher’s work is regularly evaluated.
      Nor is there any formal system for assessing the work of the principal.

      Taken from:

      1. eoghan

        Informative, thanks

        So once a teacher is fully qualified and in the job for a certain amount of time there is no regular assessment of performance, not as much as an every 5 years box ticking exercise.

        I wouldn’t normally be in favour of creating new levels of bureaucracy but, to me, something seems a bit off about that set up.

      2. Patrick Bateman

        Teacher’s Council is not fit for purpose. Inspections of schools are not carried out to documented standards and are left to the whim of individual inspectors. Service delivery in this sector is as fucked as it is in medicine, no accountability, no improvement or just culture.

  5. dav

    All power to the workers! This right wing government must understand that you cannot keep a people oppressed forever.

  6. Rainy Day

    If they are so committed to equal pay why not lower their pay and meet the new entrants half way? ….seems fair?

  7. Termagant

    Are we or are we not currently under austerity measures? We’re told that we’re not, that the economy is making steady gains. That being the case there’s no reason why we shouldn’t be bringing to a halt these cost-saving attempts made during the austere period. If we can afford to pay our TDs a reasonable wage to shuffle papers around then we should be able to pay our teachers, nurses and guards.

    1. Rainy Day

      We as a country spend more than we take in every week…a lot more….
      Any increases in pay for the public sector will be paid for by money we don’t have. However we will borrow more and more to meet these demands, to keep the unions and workers (all voters) happy…do you see where this is going?

  8. Jocky

    The unions happily pulled up the bridge on new entrants in 2011, across all public service sectors. Now their members must be feeling a bit uncomfortable when they actually have to work with these people doing the job for half the money whilst spending most of their earnings on rent,

  9. phil

    I think its high time for the government to stop collecting union subscriptions for the unions through payroll. The can send their members an invoice and collect them money themselves .

    Why? A friend of mine in a university tried to get out of the Union. Not for political reasons, he just things he is not getting value for money. Payroll at the university told him it wasn’t possible …

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