7% of Irish say sex without consent is justified if person is out walking alone at night: EU Survey: https://t.co/0OOkGFKZu3 #16days pic.twitter.com/P94vfaZUJU
— EC Rep Ireland (@eurireland) November 25, 2016
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Trolls taking the piss surely
Amazed it is as low as 7%, When i was in school and college and PhD students came in to do these surveys not too many respondents took them seriously.
But even if that’s the case, that surely says something just as awful, doesn’t it? I had considered that it might be skewed by people taking the mick but it’s still people taking the mick out of sexual assault/rape research, so not really any better. Either way, some sketchy judgement.
Yeah, infantile jokes and reality.
Much of a muchness!
You say “infantile”; I say “being an insensitive bell-end”.
But they’re not taking the mick out of the topic of the research. They’re taking the mick out of the actual researcher.
well, I’d say there’s a fair gulf between messing up a survey and raping someone
In fairness, we’re lower than the EU average on nearly every one (1% higher on ‘if the assailant regrets his [sic.] actions’).
Pretty shocked by Portugal, France and Belgium especially.
You’ve clearly never been to the Wednesday morning market in Lagos.
Pretty shocked by Portugal, France and Belgium especially.
People of certain cultural backgrounds take the issue of women’s rights less seriously than people from other backgrounds.
Very unfair to single out Tony
Hello. Wanna dance spanner?
+1
In any survey 7% of punters will say anything to make surveyors go away.
Surely it’s as easy and quick to say no to this question as yes?
We all think heuristically and I’m sure most of us think those attitudes are only in Men… which would be very wrong…. further reading on that study here…
Shocking it comes from Men and Women in not too dissimilar numbers with in certain situation 1 in 5 women (20%) justifying sex without consent and a little over 1 in 4 men (27%)…. or 21% of Irish people.
Link to study at bottom of page on this link – http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/news/twenty-one-per-cent-of-irish-say-sex-without-consent-ok-in-certain-circumstances_en
From the study:
“The sociodemographic analysis highlights men aged 25-39 are more likely than women the same
age to say at least one of these situations justifies sexual intercourse without consent (27% vs.
20%).
Respondents who think domestic violence against women or men is acceptable are much more
likely to say any of these situations justifies intercourse without consent:
§ 55% of those who say domestic violence against men is acceptable consider at least one
situation justifies intercourse without consent, compared to 26% of those who say domestic
violence against men is not acceptable.
§ 21% of those who say domestic violence against women is acceptable think flirting
beforehand justifies sex without consent, compared to 7% of those who say this kind of
violence against women is unacceptable.
§ 23% of those who say domestic violence against men is acceptable think being drunk or
using drugs justifies sex without consent, compared to 12% of those who say this kind of
violence against men is unacceptable.”
Those violent attitudes are in both men and women and are truly shocking to those that are new to these stats I’m sure.
When we look at violence without an ideological lens there’s always a bigger more clearer picture to be seen.
We need to end all intimate violence, and violent attitudes, of all types against all persons regardless of gender.
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Very high threshold for violence acceptance.
The phrasing of the Sexual Harassment sections, with their double negatives being not wrong and should not not be punishable by law is very confusing and misleading. Not surprised they didn’t not get very high responses from that question if it was phrased that way.
It’s worth looking at the % that said it was justified in none of the situations offered:
Sweden 93%
Spain 89%
Finland 88%
Netherlands 84%
Denmark 83%
Ireland 76%
That puts us in 6th place with less than 1 in 4 believing there is ever a time when sex without consent is justified. Clearly we could do better but it’s not exactly Sodom and Gomorrah out there.
76% is still shockingkly low.
Who is this other 24%? All trolls?
I would take this as a positive, taking into account our positioning as a historically conservative country. Even Sweden still finds 7% of people who can see at least ONE justifiable situation where rape is acceptable, so let’s take that as the baseline for people with extreme views. The remaining 17% will include some who thought it too hard to not pick at least one of the options (there are quite a few, and some can be read as ambiguous, depending on your background).
I think on the broad scale, with an older, conservative population, this is an uplifting survey and definitely reflects a trend in the right direction. To be in the company of Scandinavia, Netherlands and Spain is much more positive than to be in the company of Hungary and Romania. Improvements certainly needed, but clearly people are becoming more aware and better informed in the area of consent, based on these results.
Hopefully this is a blip and the thousand or so that they asked to give their opinions on behalf of us all just happened to be fuppin’ fools.
“sex without consent” also known as Rape.
with a capital R? Or was that just for effect and gravity?