It’s nice to believe in the natural progression of humanity and civilization. It’s hard though when you have to watch a dignified and decent man like Obama being replaced by someone like Trump. Not so much a u-turn as the biggest backward step ever taken.
Twunt
Nobel peace prize winning Obama, the first American President to spend every day of his eight year term at war.
Brother Barnabas
Somewhat unfair to attribute that to him.
mildred st. meadowlark
Precisely. He had his flaws as a president, I won’t dispute that, but he inherited one hell of a mess from Bush. You don’t come away from that with your hands clean.
Brother Barnabas
yep
and I’d take him in a heartbeat over any of our current government ministers
Hank
He also had his hands severely tied by the fact that the Republicans controlled the houses of congress and representatives and vetoed everything he tried to pass
Twunt
How is it unfair? He started with two wars, ends with seven. He was president for eight years. Either he was up to the task or he wasn’t. Blaming the last guy doesn’t work after 8 years.
Nigel
He’s too hawkish for my liking, but for feck’s sake, Golf War 2 left the Middle East a destabilised hot zone. He didn’t start wars, he intervened in already existing conflicts. To disastrous effect, arguably, but it turns out it’s more difficult to stage military interventions with some sort of humanitarian aim than it is to just go straight for extending spheres of influence.
Nigel
‘Golf War 2.’ Heh.
f_lawless
but Nigel wasn’t it the Obama administration which was the driving force behind NATO’s bombing campaign in Libya? You know the one that turned Libya into a failed state, devastatig the lives of ordinary Libyans and greatly exhacerbating the migrant crisis in Europe?
Trump’s election is a wonderful day for democratic. Looking forward to his inauguration tomorrow.
Brother Barnabas
You’ll have to wait until Friday, you dope
Kieran NYC
(He’s a low information voter)
Topsy
As far as I’m aware tomorrow is Friday – idiot.
4 more years.
4 more years.
Nigel
He’s been looking forward to Trump’s inauguration tomorrow since July.
jusayinlike
Wall st owned Obama, his legacy; starting more wars and amassed more nukes than any other president ever.
Nobel prize me hole
Taanbuaagam
Hope the secret swinger guy is ok
jusayinlike
Ex-indo hatchet man Declan Carlyle working wonders at Bus Eireann
OirishToimes
Oirish Toimes call for the “separation of church and state”, unless of course there’s a suitable opportunistic photo op of a cardinal with Jarry lurking in the background.
Feel sorry for the clergy – the New Ireland left hate them, their flock won’t support them when they need their support and some clergy begin to believe that the solution is to abandon the essence of their faith.
Kieran NYC
Maybe they shouldn’t have protected pedophiles then.
Novel thought though it is.
Peter Dempsey
The Irish left would still hate them even if they hadn’t protected the abusers.
Nigel
They were horrible in so many ways before we found out they were pure feckin evil, too.
Brother Barnabas
And yet so many are still happy to entrust the education of their children to the church
GUBU
Nigel
‘Happy’ or ‘resigned to?’
classter
‘The Irish left would still hate them even if they hadn’t protected the abusers.’
There is not that much proof of this. The ‘left’ in Ireland was historically rather soft on clericalism and secularism by international standards during all those years of Catholic hegemony. Indeed, arguably this was a big part of the reason that this hegemony survived.
Steve
Phibsboro is the best
bisted
…cardinal sin and biffo Cowen…picture editors were a bit grumpy yesterday…
I love all the butt-hurts making excuses for Obama, a man who very literally got a Nobel Prize for talking through his hole – the award was based largely on his speeches said the awarding body.
Oh, and ol’ scraggy head Brand is back on form with this very down to earth no bullpoo vid – recommended viewing for any body who thinks Obama was a saint… or that he deserved the Noble at all….
[ WARNING to snowflakes, the vid is not feeling based rhetoric, and also contains useful info and a few facts ]
Biggest disappointment is he didn’t confiscate everyone’s guns, herd everyone into FEMA camps and unleash hordes of black urban thugs in an orgy of violence. I dunno. He still has a whole day?
Nigel… you’re doing one of your ramblings… like a blunderbuss loaded with Skittles. I’m lost on your point, which I only assume contains some amount of sarcasm or something.
Plse do elaborate, try and get your point out…. then do the sarcasm or joke or whatever, thanks… for my benefit at least.
Nigel
It’s a joke, Clampers. Bit like your efforts at political analysis. BOOM! OH YEAH I WENT THERE BOOYEAH! MIKE DROP! Sorry Mike, here let me, sorry, yeah, no, I was just, yeah, sorry… er, Nige out.
It’s nice to believe in the natural progression of humanity and civilization. It’s hard though when you have to watch a dignified and decent man like Obama being replaced by someone like Trump. Not so much a u-turn as the biggest backward step ever taken.
Nobel peace prize winning Obama, the first American President to spend every day of his eight year term at war.
Somewhat unfair to attribute that to him.
Precisely. He had his flaws as a president, I won’t dispute that, but he inherited one hell of a mess from Bush. You don’t come away from that with your hands clean.
yep
and I’d take him in a heartbeat over any of our current government ministers
He also had his hands severely tied by the fact that the Republicans controlled the houses of congress and representatives and vetoed everything he tried to pass
How is it unfair? He started with two wars, ends with seven. He was president for eight years. Either he was up to the task or he wasn’t. Blaming the last guy doesn’t work after 8 years.
He’s too hawkish for my liking, but for feck’s sake, Golf War 2 left the Middle East a destabilised hot zone. He didn’t start wars, he intervened in already existing conflicts. To disastrous effect, arguably, but it turns out it’s more difficult to stage military interventions with some sort of humanitarian aim than it is to just go straight for extending spheres of influence.
‘Golf War 2.’ Heh.
but Nigel wasn’t it the Obama administration which was the driving force behind NATO’s bombing campaign in Libya? You know the one that turned Libya into a failed state, devastatig the lives of ordinary Libyans and greatly exhacerbating the migrant crisis in Europe?
Nigel posturing
Shush f-lawless, you’ll ruin the delusion !
Yes.
Why? Its factually correct.
+1
Trump’s election is a wonderful day for democratic. Looking forward to his inauguration tomorrow.
You’ll have to wait until Friday, you dope
(He’s a low information voter)
As far as I’m aware tomorrow is Friday – idiot.
4 more years.
4 more years.
He’s been looking forward to Trump’s inauguration tomorrow since July.
Wall st owned Obama, his legacy; starting more wars and amassed more nukes than any other president ever.
Nobel prize me hole
Hope the secret swinger guy is ok
Ex-indo hatchet man Declan Carlyle working wonders at Bus Eireann
Oirish Toimes call for the “separation of church and state”, unless of course there’s a suitable opportunistic photo op of a cardinal with Jarry lurking in the background.
Feel sorry for the clergy – the New Ireland left hate them, their flock won’t support them when they need their support and some clergy begin to believe that the solution is to abandon the essence of their faith.
Maybe they shouldn’t have protected pedophiles then.
Novel thought though it is.
The Irish left would still hate them even if they hadn’t protected the abusers.
They were horrible in so many ways before we found out they were pure feckin evil, too.
And yet so many are still happy to entrust the education of their children to the church
GUBU
‘Happy’ or ‘resigned to?’
‘The Irish left would still hate them even if they hadn’t protected the abusers.’
There is not that much proof of this. The ‘left’ in Ireland was historically rather soft on clericalism and secularism by international standards during all those years of Catholic hegemony. Indeed, arguably this was a big part of the reason that this hegemony survived.
Phibsboro is the best
…cardinal sin and biffo Cowen…picture editors were a bit grumpy yesterday…
I love all the butt-hurts making excuses for Obama, a man who very literally got a Nobel Prize for talking through his hole – the award was based largely on his speeches said the awarding body.
Oh, and ol’ scraggy head Brand is back on form with this very down to earth no bullpoo vid – recommended viewing for any body who thinks Obama was a saint… or that he deserved the Noble at all….
[ WARNING to snowflakes, the vid is not feeling based rhetoric, and also contains useful info and a few facts ]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8gXiy1z7mM
Thanks Clampers
Biggest disappointment is he didn’t confiscate everyone’s guns, herd everyone into FEMA camps and unleash hordes of black urban thugs in an orgy of violence. I dunno. He still has a whole day?
Nigel… you’re doing one of your ramblings… like a blunderbuss loaded with Skittles. I’m lost on your point, which I only assume contains some amount of sarcasm or something.
Plse do elaborate, try and get your point out…. then do the sarcasm or joke or whatever, thanks… for my benefit at least.
It’s a joke, Clampers. Bit like your efforts at political analysis. BOOM! OH YEAH I WENT THERE BOOYEAH! MIKE DROP! Sorry Mike, here let me, sorry, yeah, no, I was just, yeah, sorry… er, Nige out.
That actually read better than the previous one, so fair play!
Your not joking Nigel your outraged
SO OUTRAGED.
* sniggers *
More contrarian hyperbole
Here’s one for The elites bridgade living in their holier than thou sanctimonious echo chamber
http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/victoria-white/if-ireland-faces-a-threat-to-its-democracy-it-will-be-from-the-left-439786.html
Bookmarked for later, ta