The CULT of Scientology has not gone away you know! In fact under the present government they have been allowed not only increase their operations here in Ireland, they have been allowed to open up their European spy operation headquarters – “Office of Special Affairs”, in a building minutes away from the Dail!
Biggins
True that!!!!!!!
Daisy Chainsaw
Is the tripe they peddle any worse than the bolleaux fed to us by more established cults? Are aliens in DC8-like spaceships any more ridiculous than talking snakes and bushes, a virgin giving birth to someone who is both himself and his father and can come back from the dead?
ivan
good point, but here’s the thing (and DOI, I’m an athetist, so it’s not acceptance of a church by the back door)
I was in Rome on the holiers last year and when you go to the Colloseum or the Vatican or wherever, you start to note that there’s a ‘fusing’ for want of a better word of the actual history (Caeser, Nero, Octavian etc) and the, er, churchy bits, so your tour guide will say that ‘this is the spot where St Peter was crucified’ and that’s grand, you just nod but the fact is that these things *did* happen (at least a geezer called Peter who was head of a church there did get crucified), and the lines get blurred pretty darned quick.
I think church teaching blah blah blah is a hoary old load of codswallop but the Rome thing brings religious perilously close to the real world.
I don’t think you could make that mistake with Thetans and that lark, but your mileage may vary.
jusayinlike
You must always ask yourself when considering whether Christianity is a cult or not, what do the letters IHS stand for? it’s a symbol littered on all Catholic churches and stands as the letters on the Jesuits symbol..
IHS = ISIS, HORUS, SET
These are Egyptian deities, not Christian, the whole jaysus thing is a front for a pagan cult racketeering through the centuries
ReproBertie
Thanks for that Dan Brown. I have no time for the church but there’s plenty of actual things to dismiss it for (like the big fairy tale at its centre for a start) without having to play silly buggers with conspiracies.
In the really real world IHS/JHS = iota eta sigma. That’s the first 3 letters of Jesus in Greek. The other common symbol is the Chi-Rho wish is a P covering an X. Chi and Rho are the first two letters of Christ in Greek.
jusayinlike
IHS
A monogram of the name of Jesus Christ. From the third century the names of our Saviour are sometimes shortened, particularly in Christian inscriptions (IH and XP, for Jesus and Christus). In the next century the “sigla” (chi-rho) occurs not only as an abbreviation but also as a symbol . From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos. These Greek monograms continued to be used in Latin during the Middle Ages. Eventually the right meaning was lost, and erroneous interpretation of IHS led to the faulty orthography “Jhesus”… Towards the close of the Middle Ages IHS became a symbol , quite like the chi-rho in the Constantinian period. (Maere, René. “IHS.” The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. Nihil Obstat. June 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York. Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 28 Feb. 2011 )
The familiar monogram I H S was first popularized by St. Bernardine of Siena in the early fifteenth century (Hassett, Maurice. “Monogram of Christ.” The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 10. Nihil Obstat. October 1, 1911. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York. Robert Appleton Company, 1911. 28 Feb. 2011 ).
Notice the following from another Catholic author (bolding mine):
SAINT BERNADINE OF SIENA 1380-1444…He is especially remembered for his zeal…and he popularized, with the help of St. John Capistrano, a symbol representing the Holy Name. The Gothic letters for the name of Jesus, “IHS,” were set in a blazing sun to whose tongues of fire and spreading rays he attributed mystical significance. For a time the Saint was denounced as a heretic and the symbol regarded as idolatrous…(Cruz JC. The Incorruptibles. Nihil Obstat Henry C. Bezon, November 11, 1974. Imprimatur +Philip M. Hannan, Archbishop of New Orleans, November 19, 1974. TAN Books 1977, p. 127)
IHS…{an} innovation over five hundred years ago. (Cruz, p. 127)
Notice that the IHS and the use of the sun as a symbols were innovations and that the promoter was properly condemned as a heretic when he initially promoted them. Innovations like that were NOT part of the earliest tradition of the Christian church and have pagan elements.
So, the Catholics are not truly clear where IHS came from, they suggest that IHS appeared in Catholicism no early than the fourth century, and that for centuries their church did not know the meaning of the abbreviation, it did not become popular until much later, and the one who popularized was denounced as a heretic promoting idolatry. This, of course, is not proof that IHS did or did not come from Egypt. Yet, the lack of knowing where IHS came from supports the possibility that it likely came from outside of Christianity
jusayinlike
Oh and Bertie don’t forget the Egyptian obelisk sitting in the middle of the Vatican, but yea probably nothing to it..
ivan
What about the obelisk? It was brought to Rome by some emporor back in the day, formed a centrepiece of the circus maximus and was then moved to St Peters Square?
And EVERYBODY knows that Christianity largely piggy backed on the previous pagan infrastructure. There’s no ruddy conspiracy there; heck, one of the basilicas, San Clemente al Laterano, has a basement level that was used for worship of Deities-That-Weren’t-Jesus-Et-Al, and they celebrated a feast on 25 December as well. I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make with the Dan Brown schtick…
Rob_G
There you have it, folks – March 15th 2017, the day jusayinlike well-and-truly jumped the shark.
jusayinlike
Poor little cultist Rob G..
jusayinlike
Pervert enabling fine gael cult
ReproBertie
Jusayinlike you quote the Catholic Encyclopedia saying “From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos.” and then claim they don’t really know where it came from.
With this ridiculously shaky ground as your starting point you then claim that because they don’t know where it came from then this “supports the possibility that it likely came from outside of Christianity” which is not only a massive step down from your original post that IHS is an acronym for Isis, Horus and Set, but is entirely dependant on ignoring the “In the beginning” quote from the Catholic Encylopedia.
You might need to apply Occam’s razor here.
jusayinlike
No Bertie, I’ve showed you that the inscription pre-dates Christianity, and the individual that attempted to integrate it into Catholicism was considered a heretic initially, if the inscription pre-dates Christianity than it is most likely of Egyptian origin, but my guess is you don’t care what evidence is presented your more concerned with scoring cheap shots in a vein attempt to try and abnormalise me for questioning your decision making ability seeing as though you consider MMA as a sport..
Sam
That phone number is Danish…
Rob_G
how odd.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Tá tu phucht. An bhfuil airgead agat? Ba mhaith liom do airgead, má sé do thoil é.
Kolmo
Ha. +1 Zenú.
100% coiriúlacht.
How are these racketeers allowed to operate with impunity in Ireland?
They obviously see that they can get away with a lot more crap here, than elsewhere. That alone says a lot about our ineffective elected.
Sam
Ar bfhaca tú riamh Tom Cruise agus é ag léim ar an tolg?
Má thabharfá dúinn do chuid airgid, is féidir leat bheith sásta cosúil le Tom.
Scientology, tá an craic mór againn…
Scundered
But but but it’s got science in its name so it must be all clever and stuff?
Spaghetti Hoop
Ar mhaith leat Seán Mac Travolta?
Rob_G
Seán Trá-leictreachas?
Spaghetti Hoop
Sea, nó Uinsean MacVhega?
Bob
Is this crowd also classed as a charity in Ireland? I saw a documentary on how they got their charitable status in the US in order to avoid paying tax. Wondering if there is a procedure in vetting a recognised charity from abroad, when they come to set up here?
Spaghetti Hoop
Well they’re in the right place for a spot of tax-avoidance.
Daisy Chainsaw
Aren’t all “religions” tax exempt? Great scam if you can get in on it.
As the cult is not recognised as a religion in Ireland, they are more open to being taxed – if they made any money! They have to be repeated bailed out by US unported finances however.
The fun you could have with that…i’m thinkin..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6D1YI-41ao
Eaglais Scientology.
Airteagal Chreidimh uimh. 1
Tá m’árthach foluaineach lán d’eascanna.
LOL Classic!
Níl aon tinteán mar do Thetan fhéin?
What’s Irish for “complete pile of knickers”?
An Tiarna Xenu
just give out copies of Peig…all jibber jabber!
can anyone spot the typo in the headline? (Clue: you don’t need to be an Irish speaker)
Really? Nobody?
Maybe it’s how Thetan is spelt in Irish.
The biggest mistake was either (a) accepting to print the advert or (b) they printed “Church” instead of “Cult”…
‘Church’, ‘cult’ – po-tay-to/po-ta-to
Fine Gael are also a cult
“derp-derp-derp”
Blueshirt Oyster Cult
a pervert facilitating cult
Sorry Fghshill. Fixed now.
Heh
The CULT of Scientology has not gone away you know! In fact under the present government they have been allowed not only increase their operations here in Ireland, they have been allowed to open up their European spy operation headquarters – “Office of Special Affairs”, in a building minutes away from the Dail!
True that!!!!!!!
Is the tripe they peddle any worse than the bolleaux fed to us by more established cults? Are aliens in DC8-like spaceships any more ridiculous than talking snakes and bushes, a virgin giving birth to someone who is both himself and his father and can come back from the dead?
good point, but here’s the thing (and DOI, I’m an athetist, so it’s not acceptance of a church by the back door)
I was in Rome on the holiers last year and when you go to the Colloseum or the Vatican or wherever, you start to note that there’s a ‘fusing’ for want of a better word of the actual history (Caeser, Nero, Octavian etc) and the, er, churchy bits, so your tour guide will say that ‘this is the spot where St Peter was crucified’ and that’s grand, you just nod but the fact is that these things *did* happen (at least a geezer called Peter who was head of a church there did get crucified), and the lines get blurred pretty darned quick.
I think church teaching blah blah blah is a hoary old load of codswallop but the Rome thing brings religious perilously close to the real world.
I don’t think you could make that mistake with Thetans and that lark, but your mileage may vary.
You must always ask yourself when considering whether Christianity is a cult or not, what do the letters IHS stand for? it’s a symbol littered on all Catholic churches and stands as the letters on the Jesuits symbol..
IHS = ISIS, HORUS, SET
These are Egyptian deities, not Christian, the whole jaysus thing is a front for a pagan cult racketeering through the centuries
Thanks for that Dan Brown. I have no time for the church but there’s plenty of actual things to dismiss it for (like the big fairy tale at its centre for a start) without having to play silly buggers with conspiracies.
In the really real world IHS/JHS = iota eta sigma. That’s the first 3 letters of Jesus in Greek. The other common symbol is the Chi-Rho wish is a P covering an X. Chi and Rho are the first two letters of Christ in Greek.
IHS
A monogram of the name of Jesus Christ. From the third century the names of our Saviour are sometimes shortened, particularly in Christian inscriptions (IH and XP, for Jesus and Christus). In the next century the “sigla” (chi-rho) occurs not only as an abbreviation but also as a symbol . From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos. These Greek monograms continued to be used in Latin during the Middle Ages. Eventually the right meaning was lost, and erroneous interpretation of IHS led to the faulty orthography “Jhesus”… Towards the close of the Middle Ages IHS became a symbol , quite like the chi-rho in the Constantinian period. (Maere, René. “IHS.” The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. Nihil Obstat. June 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York. Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 28 Feb. 2011 )
The familiar monogram I H S was first popularized by St. Bernardine of Siena in the early fifteenth century (Hassett, Maurice. “Monogram of Christ.” The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 10. Nihil Obstat. October 1, 1911. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York. Robert Appleton Company, 1911. 28 Feb. 2011 ).
Notice the following from another Catholic author (bolding mine):
SAINT BERNADINE OF SIENA 1380-1444…He is especially remembered for his zeal…and he popularized, with the help of St. John Capistrano, a symbol representing the Holy Name. The Gothic letters for the name of Jesus, “IHS,” were set in a blazing sun to whose tongues of fire and spreading rays he attributed mystical significance. For a time the Saint was denounced as a heretic and the symbol regarded as idolatrous…(Cruz JC. The Incorruptibles. Nihil Obstat Henry C. Bezon, November 11, 1974. Imprimatur +Philip M. Hannan, Archbishop of New Orleans, November 19, 1974. TAN Books 1977, p. 127)
IHS…{an} innovation over five hundred years ago. (Cruz, p. 127)
Notice that the IHS and the use of the sun as a symbols were innovations and that the promoter was properly condemned as a heretic when he initially promoted them. Innovations like that were NOT part of the earliest tradition of the Christian church and have pagan elements.
So, the Catholics are not truly clear where IHS came from, they suggest that IHS appeared in Catholicism no early than the fourth century, and that for centuries their church did not know the meaning of the abbreviation, it did not become popular until much later, and the one who popularized was denounced as a heretic promoting idolatry. This, of course, is not proof that IHS did or did not come from Egypt. Yet, the lack of knowing where IHS came from supports the possibility that it likely came from outside of Christianity
Oh and Bertie don’t forget the Egyptian obelisk sitting in the middle of the Vatican, but yea probably nothing to it..
What about the obelisk? It was brought to Rome by some emporor back in the day, formed a centrepiece of the circus maximus and was then moved to St Peters Square?
And EVERYBODY knows that Christianity largely piggy backed on the previous pagan infrastructure. There’s no ruddy conspiracy there; heck, one of the basilicas, San Clemente al Laterano, has a basement level that was used for worship of Deities-That-Weren’t-Jesus-Et-Al, and they celebrated a feast on 25 December as well. I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make with the Dan Brown schtick…
There you have it, folks – March 15th 2017, the day jusayinlike well-and-truly jumped the shark.
Poor little cultist Rob G..
Pervert enabling fine gael cult
Jusayinlike you quote the Catholic Encyclopedia saying “From the beginning, however, in Christian inscriptions the nomina sacra, or names of Jesus Christ, were shortened by contraction, thus IC and XC or IHS and XPS for Iesous Christos.” and then claim they don’t really know where it came from.
With this ridiculously shaky ground as your starting point you then claim that because they don’t know where it came from then this “supports the possibility that it likely came from outside of Christianity” which is not only a massive step down from your original post that IHS is an acronym for Isis, Horus and Set, but is entirely dependant on ignoring the “In the beginning” quote from the Catholic Encylopedia.
You might need to apply Occam’s razor here.
No Bertie, I’ve showed you that the inscription pre-dates Christianity, and the individual that attempted to integrate it into Catholicism was considered a heretic initially, if the inscription pre-dates Christianity than it is most likely of Egyptian origin, but my guess is you don’t care what evidence is presented your more concerned with scoring cheap shots in a vein attempt to try and abnormalise me for questioning your decision making ability seeing as though you consider MMA as a sport..
That phone number is Danish…
how odd.
Tá tu phucht. An bhfuil airgead agat? Ba mhaith liom do airgead, má sé do thoil é.
Ha. +1 Zenú.
100% coiriúlacht.
How are these racketeers allowed to operate with impunity in Ireland?
They obviously see that they can get away with a lot more crap here, than elsewhere. That alone says a lot about our ineffective elected.
Ar bfhaca tú riamh Tom Cruise agus é ag léim ar an tolg?
Má thabharfá dúinn do chuid airgid, is féidir leat bheith sásta cosúil le Tom.
Scientology, tá an craic mór againn…
But but but it’s got science in its name so it must be all clever and stuff?
Ar mhaith leat Seán Mac Travolta?
Seán Trá-leictreachas?
Sea, nó Uinsean MacVhega?
Is this crowd also classed as a charity in Ireland? I saw a documentary on how they got their charitable status in the US in order to avoid paying tax. Wondering if there is a procedure in vetting a recognised charity from abroad, when they come to set up here?
Well they’re in the right place for a spot of tax-avoidance.
Aren’t all “religions” tax exempt? Great scam if you can get in on it.
As the cult is not recognised as a religion in Ireland, they are more open to being taxed – if they made any money! They have to be repeated bailed out by US unported finances however.
…Peig Seers
An tHetainach.
I’ve just applied