77 thoughts on “De Tuesday Papers

  1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    OMG… The Irish Times…
    ;Coveney Critises Varadker’s Policy Proposals.

    It’s all kicking off now… fasten your seatbelts…

    Wake me up when it’s over.
    Thank you.

  2. rotide

    Well the later editions of these papers are going to be completely different unfortunately :(

      1. martco

        not misguided unfortunately memes

        bombing a kiddie gig, sick fupps

        & there’ll be some consequences too

  3. Zena

    Has everyone at the Daily Express got Dementia? Running the same stories day in, day out? Groundhog Day wouldn’t be in it…

    1. bisted

      …just goes to show that if they run the same story every day then one day it will look like a scoop…

      1. Lord Snowflakee

        the people who read it all have dementsia so they don’t remember what the news was yesterday anyway

  4. Rob_G

    Taking photos of injured and maimed people, and then publishing those photos for everyone to gawk at – wtf is wrong with people?

    1. jungleman

      Oh the outrage.

      Must the media sanitise these events on account of your delicate sensibilities?

    2. Dubh Linn

      I think a lot of the families who were on social media looking for any sign their kids were ok (mobile networks were overloaded and dropping calls) would have been dammed glad to see the photos

      1. Nigel

        There are no good ways to find out your child has been injured in a bomb blast but from a picture on the cover of a national newspaper can’t rank very high. Might be unavoidable given the circumstances but I wouldn’t’ go looking for gratitude.

          1. Nigel

            From the sound of it homeless people were doing a better job of making sure children got back to their parents safely than papers with blood-soaked front pages.

    1. jungleman

      They shouldn’t have shown us the concentration camps either… Or sabra and chatilla…

      Was it ok to show 9/11?

      1. Rob_G

        Concentration camps – yes; people might not have believed (certainly not the scale of it) otherwise.

        9/11 – probably not. Certainly not the photos of people jumping to their deaths.

        If these things were reported very clinically (just the date and time of the incident, the fact that their were some deaths and injuries, with no mention of the possible motivations of the attackers), you would be removing one of the underlying reasons for terrorism, e.g. the terrorists wanting publicity for their cause.

        By providing rolling news coverage complete with scintillating gory details, news outlets are helping the terrorists, simple as.

        1. jungleman

          You should move to North Korea. They will provide you with all the censorship you desperately crave.

          1. Rob_G

            If a news outlet received footage of someone newsworthy being raped, should they show it on a loop on their website? Genuine question.

          2. Lord Snowflakee

            Straw man comment, but yes why shouldn’t they show it? Please stop trolling us rob

          3. Rob_G

            What is ‘straw man’ about it? Why would it be acceptable to show people killed and maimed in a bomb, but not a rape?

            The fact that you seem to think that one of the two is somehow normal serves to display how warped the news agenda has become.

          4. jungleman

            The thing is the imagery shown in the papers exhibited does not show people being maimed or killed. Yes, there is an image of a girl who is shocked and slightly bloodied, not “killed or maimed”. Of course they shouldn’t show footage of a rape. I don’t think they should show someone being blown up either. However, showing selective imagery of the aftermath or of the event itself I believe is appropriate.

            What you are advocating is total censorship where we just take the authorities’ word on matters without seeing any evidence.

            It is ironic that censorship of atrocities committed by the west in other lands has enabled the perpetuation of such atrocities thus creating the situation we are now in where some people in the world despise the west and are willing to carry out attacks like the one in Manchester.

          5. Rob_G

            @ Jungleman

            – that is a fair point. But showing footage/images of people lightly wounded by a bomb is the same thing, albeit on the much lower end of the scale.

            What sort of person is going to stand there taking photos of injured people (albeit lightly-injured), at probably the lowest point in their lives, in order to sell them to newspapers? I wonder how that girl being helped by the police would feel about someone profiting from her misery for the edification of anonymous strangers. It’s warped.

            And the separate point: these images provide succour to terrorists. That’s why terrorists release a video afterwards to claim responsibility: people are unlikely to decide of their own accord to set off a bomb in a concert venue, but they know it is an effective strategy due to all the images being beamed across the world.

            I don’t recall ever hearing about a truck attack prior to Nice; since then we have already had others in Sweden and Berlin, and most recently in London. I wonder how many more people will die in similar attacks, now that the media have provided terrorists with proof of concept?

          6. Nigel

            Criticising the way the press covers things is not censorship. How can you not be aware of how some parts of the UK media operate? They’re infamous. It’s not even about the gory images as such. It’s about how those images and the victims are treated as fodder. The things they do are inhuman, extending the trauma of an horrific incident with no thought of the cost to the people who bear the brunt of it.
            https://twitter.com/DrEm_79/status/866948006498717697

        2. Lord Snowflakee

          I understand and am sympathetic to your well-founded concerns which are complete bollokks

        3. jungleman

          You might not be aware of it but much more gory imagery is usually available to the western press and they don’t use it. If you go to Lebanon you will find that the imagery used by their press is far more gory.

          What you are advocating is an extreme level of censorship in a nanny state. Well, you know where you can shove that…

          1. Lord Snowflakee

            Give him a break, maybe he is actually genuinely hurt by it. Silly though I agree.

    2. Lord Snowflakee

      Weird and pointless comment. Are you ok, seriously? Like, were some of your friends hurt in the blast?

    1. Rob_G

      At at Arianna Grande concert, of all concerts – it must have been packed with children, FFS.

  5. jimmy russell

    ugh so it was really not ok what happened but can we move on now? europe needs to learn to live with these occasional events remember the biggest victims of these unfortunate events is islam and innocent muslims who will be scrutinized and made to feel uncomfortable. we need to get on with our lives and leave things like this in the past #notallmusims #refugeeswelcom

    1. Lord Snowflakee

      jimmy your comment though no doubt well-meaning is absolute bull

      it’s hard to escape the feeling that a large number of mainstream muslims are aware of and are sheltering these looney guys and giving safe haven like we did to IRA scum back in the day

      1. ahjayzis

        A. He’s clearly trying to execute a clumsy attempt to demonise people who don’t run out into the street snatching hijabs when they hear about things like this. (AKA people who’ve actually met and befriended any Muslims)

        and B. that’s exactly what people said about the Irish in Britain after an IRA atrocity. It wasn’t true then and it ain’t true now and those people are idiots who acted exactly the way the last bombers of Manchester wanted them to.

        1. Lord Snowflakee

          What are you on about yezzus? Can you not even try to address the actual substance of what I said as opposed to going on one of your trademark psycholiberal rants?

          1. ahjayzis

            The substance was an unsubstantiated slur against “a large number of mainstream muslims”.

            How I addressed it was comparing it to similarly lazy, fatuous accusations from the last time Manchester was bombed – by the Irish. What is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

            In future I’ll use hand puppets and simpler words.

          2. Clampers Outside

            Can you substantiate your claim, that his is not?

            That’s rhetorical.

            Why not tell the world what a “moderate” Muslim is….

            Many ‘moderate’ still believe in apostate, throwing gays of buildings and killing atheists…. so say Muslim reformists, like Ayaan Hirsi and Irshad Manji

        2. scottser

          ah come on, you all know jimmy’s game – taking the extreme liberal view to show up its nonsense. ye need to get the ‘ugh’ on lads.

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            Except he implies really stupid conservative and right wing views while he’s at it. He tries to make liberals look bad by behaving like a typical whiny conservative crying over things nobody actually said.

      2. Clampers Outside

        IRA and religious fanaticism…. the fact you drew them as similar shows you are blind to the truth and dangers of religious fanaticism.

        The troubles were not religiously motivated.

        Plse stop that, it’s stupid.

    2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      I would argue that the biggest victims are the parents who lost their children at the concert last night.

  6. f_lawless

    Food for thought – will the incident be used to justify British military intervention in Syria without the need this time for parliamentary approval? A quote from an article written by Mike Robinson of UK Column on 20/04/17:
    “In 2013, British military intervention in Syria was prevented by Parliamentary vote. MPs at that time knew full well that there was no support for such action among their constituents. More than that, there was clear opposition to it.
    Although the latest polls suggest that opposition has reduced slightly, there is still no clear support for military intervention in Syria. Parliament, then, remains a likely block to military intervention.
    So what better opportunity than when there is no Parliament?
    With no-one to hold the Executive in check, Theresa May can use the Royal Prerogative to take Britain to war in Syria, and war in Syria could very well mean war with Russia.
    The danger lies between 3 May and 8 June.”
    http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/military-intervention-syria-high-risk-over-next-four-weeks

    1. Lord Snowflakee

      Always some depressive psycholiberal trying to out weird everyone with some conspiratorial claptrap, every time an act like this occurs. Next up we’ll have that jusayinlike saying this mass murder of children is a false flag op.

      1. f_lawless

        Speculating what political capital might be made out of the incident equates to “conspiratorial claptrap”? yawn. I get it. You just come on here to troll people.

    2. MoyestWithExcitement

      To my knowledge, ISIS haven’t claimed it yet. Someone found their daily “news” bulletin this morning and Manchester isn’t mentioned on it. This was probably a lone nutcase with severe emotional problems just like the many, many, white lunatics who have committed mass murder. No, the UK will probably not use this to bomb Syria.

    3. martco

      I think they will tread very carefully after Blair…however I believe Corbyn may as well hand May the keys now and disappear. she’ll be in on an utter landslide now selling the arse off Brexit and every household will cheer on Brexit when the press are done with it keeping calm and carrying on firing up the Spitfires etc.
      Manchester has been thru the ringer, a great oul town and even after the Arndale mostly everyone I met over the years understood they didn’t represent us was always treated like one of their own and that always impressed me. Desperately sad day. What can you say. Fupp.

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        Up until last night she was floundering. All the main networks, even Murdoch’s Sky, roasted her at that terrible press conference in Wales yesterday. C4 calling her weak and wobbly and I think Sky used a word like ‘circus’ or something like that. She lost half her lead in a week. The reaction to the killing of that cop at Westminster was very different as well. It was much more rational than it used to be. I think it’s too early to be paying out on a May victory.

        1. martco

          ah I think it’s healthy sometimes to express your opinion, take part in discussions or make a comment on a topic if you have an inclination to do that…something you may not appreciate. I hadn’t considered the issue of your refreshment I must admit, you could be refreshed or not up to you pal ;)

  7. Dubh Linn

    Last night in Manchester a lone nutjob set off a incendary device at the end of a pop concert where lots of tweenies and teens were attending….. 22 attending were killed. 50 others injured.

    Medical staff of all nationalities / religions stayed on duty past their going home time to help those needing treatment. (Muslims and Irish alike)

    Police of all ethnicities helped to keep the peace and search for the lost despite the fear that a secondary device may be planted nearby.

    Hoteliers of all nationalities offered free rooms and gathered up all the children who could not find their guardians to make it easier for those who were worried sick search for their loved ones.

    Taxi drivers of all ethnic backgrounds offered those stranded free lifts.

    Citizens of Manchester (a massive multi-cultural city) opened their homes to give people somewhere to sleep for the night or offered them lifts home if that is what they wanted….

    and today….. the commentators of Broadsheet cackle at each others like narky hens. Nothing like a kiddie death for point scoring, eh leds?

        1. jungleman

          I beg to differ. Did you read my comments above? What is your problem with them and why are they worthless?

          1. jungleman

            I’ve noticed you write this under the other commenter the whole time. Must be a massive chunk of your life at this point.

            I’ve been commenting on BS for about 5 years now and have always been jungleman.

      1. Dubh Linn

        I find the actions of everyone who helped last night a lot more worthy of mention and discussion than your cackling in a vacuum.

        1. jusayinlike

          As are you under various different alter-egos, each one as obnoxious as the other.. do us all a favour and beat it..

    1. Scroll to top

      I read a piece today describing how the homeless lads pitched on cardboard beds near the venue were leading kids out to the ambulance services because there were just not enough security staff to cope. Scared crying kids with glass and nails in their faces. Amazing bravery considering they had.no idea if further bombs were about to go off.

  8. Lush

    I’m no-one.
    I’ve been here since the beginning of Broadsheet; living abroad it’s been a way if connecting. I rarely comment, but I check out the posts and the comments pretty much every day.
    I’ve been finding the self-obsessed rhetoric of the comments section rather empty of late.
    And despite Clampers, Hoop, Anne, Mildred and her admirers, and others who with their divergent but respectful exchanges make this site what it is; the conversation on Manchester is the proverbial straw. Does everyone have their head up their arse?
    It may be me, not the site (or the comments section) but right now Broadsheet doesn’t lift my spirits or make me reflect like it used to.
    It may, of course, just be me.

    1. mildred st. meadowlark

      Oh dear Lush, don’t be dejected my dear. I’ve felt like that many a time. May I offer you a hug of solidarity?
      *hugs*

      (I just have to mention that I’ve heard the people of Manchester have rallied together and have shown a beautiful community spirit, in light of the attack, and fair play to them.)

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