People Before profit TD Bríd Smith (top) calling for the remunicipalisation of waste services.

Bríd writes:

I hope you get a chance to view and share this video. I spoke in the Dáil on Tuesday night and reminded the Minister of the rotten history of these charges…privatisation, loss of waivers, increasing costs and illegal dumping, and the Tony Suprano operators who hide how much they make off us.

People Before Profit propose instead that we start a return to local authorities running the services, and meantime, an immediate price freeze before abolition of all charges.

Bríd Smith TD (Facebook)

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40 thoughts on “Bada Bin

  1. newsjustin

    It’s a cause close to her heart as she needs more bins to wrestle the catholic church into.

    1. Janet, I ate my avatar

      where humanity should leave it’s childhood comfort that’s starting to smell and show the holes

  2. DubLoony

    Brid speaking rubbish as always.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bin-charges-row-set-to-escalate-as-council-pursues-get-tough-policy-25930349.html
    She was spokesperson for the anti-bin charge demonstrations.

    Dublin City council has a pay by weight scheme, that has a fair waiver system in place. she was aimed at getting people recycling, reducing landfill and accepted that not every one could pay for it.

    She and Joan Collins set out to smash that system. DCC could no longer afford to run it & whole lot was privatized.
    We had a fair system, with men employed on good terms & conditions and she smashed it.

    Absolute charlatan.

    1. MoyestWithExcitement

      Labour people don’t get to refer to left wing politicians as charlatans, in fairness.

      1. DubLoony

        she’s not left wing, she’s a populist who doesn’t believe anyone should pay for anything.

        She raises homelessness as a problem (which it is) and then objects to social housing in her constituency, same one I live in.

        She’s a fraud.

        1. MoyestWithExcitement

          “she’s not left wing, she’s a populist who doesn’t believe anyone should pay for anything”

          That’s Fox news level nonsense. She is left wing. Labour are now right wing.

          1. DubLoony

            She was spokesperson for the anti-bin change campaign, objecting to City Council pay by weight charge & waiver scheme.

            She now wants it back.
            All else is noise.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            Whether she did or she didn’t, what I’m taking issue with her is a Labour rep questioning someone’s left wing credentials while using establishment slogans like ‘populist’.

          3. Happy Molloy

            can you not for once try to look at what is said rather than whether or not you like who says it?

            I don’t mean to be arguing with you all the time man but I believe you can be better

          4. Happy Molloy

            I can assure you that I’m not embarrassed.

            The most embarrassing thing I’ve felt today is the difficulty I have with spelling embarrassed.

  3. Jake38

    A total fraud. She led the anti bin charge rent-a-crowd which resulted in bin collection privatisation in the first place. (Irish times Tuesday oct 14 2003)

      1. bisted

        …Ah Dubloony, you’re back…I really thought after the Joan Burton fiasco of trying to jail protesters that you had finally decided to stop trying to defend the indefensible and given up on labour. I believe you are a genuine idealist fighting a lone fight but you will be betrayed. The likes of Kelly and Burton do not deserve your support…they even have you making common cause with Combat38…

  4. Owen

    Abolish bin charges and bring back the council? Is she flipping mad?!?

    Who pays for it then?? We do. And it will be a worse service.

    Irelands waste management is fundamentally flawed in that there is not national, enforceable, strategy. Whatever the outcome is of this period will be a problem again in 5-10 years. And I heard last week a recommendation of a monetary body?? we HAVE monetary bodies, and we HAVE enforcement. What we need is a long term strategy that develops cost based on a metric of population and density. And we need a brokerage system that freezes market price based on global market at the time (see Scotland).

    We also need to bring in phased legislation that supports the reduction in packaging brought into the market by making it more cost efficient to do so (eg levy to retailers based on SOLD packaging by ton, with 5yr incitements).

    I’ts no flipping rocket science. Most other countries can figure it out. We just have to make a political boo boos of EVERYTHING we do.

    1. :-Joe

      Yep… not enough careful and thoughtfull planning.

      Just a lot of fire-fighting and flip-flopping when it breaks down.

      :-J

    2. curmudgeon

      This completely negates the origin of how the council awarded Greyhound the contract . Despite the exceptionally large contract, the council carried out absolutely no public procurement process – because John Tierney said it was an executive decision and that meant he didn’t even need the councillors to vote on it. Guess what else – the contract between DCC and Greyhound was secret (“commercial reasons”) that’s straight up in breach of EU regulations (contracts of >25K must be put out to tender) and of course Grehound is an Isle of Man company for tax reasons despite Irish owners.

    3. DavidT

      At least 90% of what’s in the average bin is actually the responsibility of the producer, not the consumer, which is why the ordinary person should not have to pay for their bin collection.

  5. Sheik Yahbouti

    Your Sheik has called for the same thing, often, I fully support the Excellent Brid Smith. Strangely, the efforts of certain TD’s whose mantra was “Can’t pay – won’t pay”
    actually facilitated privatization. I paid Bin charges to Dublin Corporation – those who didn’t gave them the excuse to sell the entire operation.

  6. Fact Checker

    Here is how it should work:

    Everyone pays a charge to their local authority through LPT for waste services.

    Local authority puts the contract for collection out to tender.

    Everyone’s bins get collected, and weighed too.

    At the end of the year you apply for a rebate if your volume is below a certain threshold.

    Ironically this could have been achieved 15 years ago when local authorities were still monopoly providers of waste services in urban areas. Very difficult to achieve now as the private providers would argue that they have a legitimate expectation to seek business from households directly.

      1. Fact Checker

        LPT compliance is 96% or something now. The other 4% will get collected on the sale of the house.

        You should leave revenue collection to the state body which is best at it:-D

    1. Sheik Yahbouti

      An excellent solution, Fact checker, which I would be happy to endorse (whilst preferring properly paid, directly employed labour, instead of the exploiters).

    2. :-Joe

      Yes this makes sense…

      A proper tendering process managed by “accountable” local authorities to help generate competitive innovation while maintaing some decent level of reponsibility for future planning throughout Ireland.

      I also think that there should be a very clearly defined comprehensive strategy to start with and how to keep it managed efficiently. A solid plan based on a hybrid of everthing that works from around Europe.

      :-J

  7. scottser

    hugh mcelvaney, now there’s a man who could solve this bin crisis. he’s so corrupt he could provide the services for us all for free ;)

  8. Kolmo

    Municipal waste collection and treatment is a secondary concern for these firms – they carve up ‘the market’, start gouging as much as they can get away with, entirely predictable. What is the point of the national government? They handed over €1bn+ contracts to their well placed associates, just like the comodification of child care, elder care, social services, the water supply, refugee housing, public housing, soon the social welfare system, all public transport, universities, and entire public health service – this is contrary to the greater good – who benefits from unregulated profiteering and who keeps voting for this? Reform, regular analysis and constant improvement was required in state services – not a greasy quick buck sell-offs to well-placed associates of politicians under the false guise of reducing costs – kip.

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