36 thoughts on “De Tuesday Papers

  1. Increasing Displacement

    Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, 33,636 deaths due to “injury by firearms”


  2. Shayna

    The 2nd Amendment to USA’s Constitution needs reflection. A deranged guy flies bullets freely in Vegas – JHC – it’s a massacre. It’s not a terrorist, it’s a guy with mental health issues, who can freely access automatic weapons. The U.S are busy looking without, perhaps they should look within.

    1. rotide

      Obviously but nothing will change.

      If they did nothing after Sandy Hook, then nothing is going to change their minds about guns.

      1. Cian

        I heard an interesting perspective on the US gun culture – how to try to understand it.
        in both scenarios below I realise this doesn’t apply to everyone, but bear with me

        Think of the Irish drink culture – how it is part of our psyche. How it is ingrained in our lives. From birth (“wetting the baby’s head”) through to death (the Irish wake). I was recently invited to a Christening – and the afters (at lunchtime) was in a pub. If you think about it for a second – we were celebrating the baby’s entry into the church in a pub, with drink. Bizarre.
        But alcohol abuse causes a huge amount of damage to us as a nation – both short-term (drink-driving, violence, injuries) as well as the long-term health issues. So why do we do it?

        Now, in the US they have a gun culture, (and for some), it is part of their psyche. it is ingrained in their lives. Asking these people to give up all their guns (because of the gun deaths) is equivalent to asking the Irish to give up all their drinking (because of the alcohol-related deaths).

        1. rotide

          Yeah, I’ve heard this and its a good point

          The thing is though, we have (ostensibly) given up drink driving and governments have banned things like happy hours and those supermarket drink promotions.

          Succesive US governments have done nothing to ban the exteme ends of guns like assault rifles, and the various purchasing loopholes.

          1. hugh_mungus

            you can still buy guns in wallmart the same way you can buy 3 crates of cans in tesco/dunnes, I know you cant kill dozens of people with the cans but it’s still insanity to see people “stock up”, for good friday. With the hysteria that revolves around GF each year, that we couldnt go one day with the pub, it’s easy to see how the sentiment of “from my cold dead hands” can be so prevalent.

        2. fmong

          I’d go with this too an extent, but you have to account for the amount of money the arms industry and military industrial complex is pouring into the government, the huge lobby controls and the various ties and vested interests therin…

          From these peoples point of view, working to prevent 11,000+ deaths, in 2017 alone, isn’t worth the money they’d lose

        3. DavidT

          And of course the gun lobbies rolled out their reps instantly, just as the drink lobbies roll out theirs.

          ‘Damage limitation’, I think it’s macabrely called.

        4. Papi

          There’s also the argument that a bag of cans does it’s share of damage, granted, but in this scenario you’ve bought a self loading automatic truck full of pure 200% proof moonshine, even though you have a previous mental disorder. Same same, but different.

      1. Cian

        Reminds me of the blurb from Douglas Adams’ “The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul”. It’s dated asit refers to the IRA & PLO; but it could be ISIS

        When a passenger check-in desk at Terminal Two, Heathrow Airport, shot up through the roof engulfed in a ball of orange flame, the usual people tried to claim responsibility. First the IRA, then the PLO and the Gas Board. Even British Nuclear Fuels rushed out a statement to the effect that the situation was completely under control, that it was a one in a million chance, that there was hardly any radioactive leakage at all and that the site of the explosion would make a nice location for a day out with the kids and a picnic, before finally having to admit that it wasn’t actually anything to do with them at all.

        1. bisted

          …the Las Vegas murderer and ISIS do seem to have been supplied by the US arms industry though…

      1. Pat Kenny's wife

        For a minute I thought this was something to do with the sexist practice of empowering men only to pee while standing up

    1. rotide

      The examiner says that because ISIS did claim responsibility.

      That tells you all you need to know about ISIS’s direct involvement over most attacks carried out in their name.

      1. Listrade

        Because the last 1,515 false flag mass shootings have proven so effective in changing gun control laws, why not orchestrate another one?

    1. Kennysmells

      More “real terror attacks”; can’t wait to see that Colombian crises actor being interviewed shortly about this charade

  3. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    Why are they all quoting Trump “Pure Evil”?

    FFS, Trump is in the pockets of the gun lobby. He puts a ban on a lot of muslim countries ‘to protect Americans”, when so many more Americans are killed by American citizens, because of the lax gun laws.

    A man killed 35 people, in Tasmania, back in 1997. The Aussie Government introduced bans on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. There hasn’t been one mass shooting (3 or more deaths) since. Not one. There was an average of 9 deaths per year from mass shootings, in the years prior to 1997. Australia had a bit of gun culture, certainly nothing like the USA, but there was resistance to the ban. The Americans need to start somewhere.

    1. Amorphous Kerry Blob

      You reminded me of this guy. Stating the obvious* but I don’t know I feel like posting a video because of sad inescapable feelings/because of reasons I post repeatedly on this website; and maybe just maybe it will do some good in the world.
      *in a digestible manner. There’s something to be said for digestion.
      (Please read all that in an Jim Jeffries Aussie accent.)
      (When writing comment in ‘not good’ frame of mind, always delete the last line. Or stop and walk away, if you can. Into the arms of a loved one. Because you do need help. Clampers.)

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