45 thoughts on “De Thursday Papers

  1. Charger Salmons

    Well Paddy didn’t put up much of a fight over the Border issue.
    London comes up with a quick fudge to kick it down the road involving a future Stormont Assembly and Ireland says ” okay so then .”
    Majority voting on the final trade deal means Ireland’s moment has come and gone.
    This has been a Lisbon Treaty Groundhog Day.

        1. Killian G

          You either didn’t read the statement or didn’t understand what you read.

          I’m guessing the latter – you weren’t ever top of the class, were you, old boy!?!

          1. Charger Salmons

            What statement ?
            There hasn’t been a statement by anybody,just a newspaper report that a deal on the border is close and that it involves a fudged interpretation of the original wording that Varadkar was demanding.
            Anyway talking of class it’s past your bedtime lad – you’ve got school in the morning.

          2. Killian G

            Juncker’s secretary gave an interview to Sky News this evening, praising British negotiators for their “more flexible and pragmatic approach” and “willingness to overcome obstacles”.

            Sounds like a climbdown to me, old boy.

    1. Janet, I ate my avatar

      The Brits who didn’t want to pay anything leave now paying how much to negotiate further talks ??? Be still my beating heart..

      1. Charger Salmons

        Okay,let’s explain this nice and slowly so you can try to understand this whole Brexit bill thingy that obviously confuses you.
        The current figure being kicked around is £45b.
        £20b of that covers the two year transition period that both sides agree will be necessary – and these are payments that the UK would have had to make anyway if it was still in the EU.
        The remaining figure is comprised of payment for things that the UK is already signed up for and therefore it is honouring its commitments – things like Europol,Eurtom the nuclear regulator,European telecom satellites and pensions of civil servants.
        These ongoing commitments will be reviewed every year and will be open for revision.
        These are all dependant on Britain getting a reasonable trade deal and maintaining so-called passporting rights in the City of London.
        A small price to pay and for an £2.2 trillion economy this is the equivalent of loose change down the back of a sofa.
        Now,is that a bit clearer for you ?

  2. f_lawless

    Was there really sufficient journalistic value in plastering photos of a person committing suicide all over the front page of the Telegraph and Times or was it just a cynical, irresponsible bid to sell more papers?. Why should standard ethical code be disregarded just because someone’s deemed to be a war criminal or otherwise? If you don’t use the word “suicide”; but just say “he took poison and died later”, then there’s absolutely no danger of a negative impact on vulnerable readers? Hmm

    1. Yep

      Sorry kids…..Santa can’t make it this year…What?…Oh yeah, war crimes. He took the cowards way out…Huh? Brave! Oh Samantha what are they teaching you that educate together hole.

    2. Frilly Keane

      Absolutely there is F’lawless
      Slobodan Praljak was a convicted War Criminal
      He was tried
      Convicted
      Sentenced
      and then Appealed

      And poisoned himself in front of the entire Court ffs
      and was perfectly poised when he did it

      I’m surprised its not filling up all the papers
      and leading all the news bulletians
      When was the last time a convicted War Criminal took poison like that?

      the World need to see those pictures
      and watch the footage
      of a War Criminal from the Dock in the Hague
      And hear for themselves his relentless denial of his crimes

      Crimes like his where humanity is the victim should NEVER be a matter for an ethical code

      Never

      1. snowey

        you think he was a war criminal and judge him on the few lines and a photo in the western media -and that is to your shame..

        to the people he defended and i know some he was a hero.
        they were bad times that people in relative comfort and luxury can’t understand…

        he had served 13years already – with the 1/3 remission he was out soon.
        he took an ethical stand. maybe he wasn’t guilty because why else take this action – he was free soon anyway

        remember this man surrendered voluntarily and wasn’t dragged to court like some of the others. he clearly felt he had nothing to hide.
        sounds like a decent man caught up in a fight for survival to me and ended up on the wrong side.

        in any case that war crime tribunal is a sham – plenty of africans a handful of former yugoslavs…
        no british or americans…or anybody of note.

      2. f_lawless

        @Frilly Keane
        The world needs to see someone in the act of committing suicide on the front cover of a paper? I don’t agree. The effect it may have on the most vulnerable in society should be considered first.
        According to the National Union of Journalists which represents journalists in the UK, Ireland and parts of Europe:
        “Numerous research studies worldwide conclude that media reporting of suicide can lead to copycat behaviour and that certain newspaper coverage is associated with a significant increase in the rate of suicide. This risk is increased ‘if the coverage is extensive, prominent, sensational, or explicitly describes the method’. (Source – World Health Organization Preventing Suicide – A Resource for Media Professionals (2008))”
        https://www.nuj.org.uk/documents/nuj-guidelines-for-responsible-reporting-on-mental-health/nuj-guidelines-for-reporting-mental-health-and-death-by-suicide.pdf

    3. Increasing_Displacement

      Em just looking at why he is considered a war criminal…on wikipedia there’s a quote from the UN press release…

      “nine counts of grave breaches of the Geneva conventions (wilful killing; inhuman treatment (sexual assault); unlawful deportation of a civilian; unlawful transfer of a civilian; unlawful confinement of a civilian; inhuman treatment (conditions of confinement); inhuman treatment; extensive destruction of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly; appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly).

      nine counts of violations of the laws or customs of war (cruel treatment (conditions of confinement); cruel treatment; unlawful labour; wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or destruction not justified by military necessity; destruction or wilful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion or education; plunder of public or private property; unlawful attack on civilians; unlawful infliction of terror on civilians; cruel treatment), and

      eight counts of crimes against humanity (persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds; murder; rape; deportation; inhumane acts (forcible transfer); imprisonment; inhumane acts (conditions of confinement); inhumane acts).”

      Aren’t these things the US, UK and Saudi are all heavily guilty of?

  3. GiggidyGoo

    Wha? Cocaine Queen gets ticket to RTE celebrity fest show – such tickets being gold dust, and usually got through an RTE contact. And then Daniel gets caught up in a photo shoot (there’s more than one photo). Her own photo in the papers yesterday was a professionaly-taken photograph. Apart from DOD being codded into a photo shoot, this woman needs a closer look into her background.

      1. Harry Molloy

        they’re fantastic. I’ve been back to look twice.
        I’d say Daniel was towing himself around the room that night.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          You underestimate our Daniel, Harry.
          She’s self-proclaimed SuperFan#1. Where do you think that went?!

          #DanielODonnellMotorboarding.

    1. Papi

      The sentence under the photo is FANTASTIC! Haven’t a bulls notion what it means, but it doesn’t matter. It’s like a child trying to tell you sixty five different things in one sentence.

  4. Martco

    here’s the thing regarding Brexit that I have to keep reminding myself of: its all hyperbole

    nobody on here or 99.999% likely any of your neighbors or family or the media knows damn all about what this Brexit thing means or change it will bring

    there was an example yesterday, Donnelly was being interviewed and contradicted the notion that we have a “veto” that in fact it’s just a notional concept really…the EU construct doesn’t operate in this kind of absolute way at all yet you get the impression from reading your newspaper that there’s some sort of magic lever that we can pull to prevent something that doesn’t favour us

    all stratospheric diplomacy stuff at this point and any specifics are just guesses in the vacuum of info that we have currently…no point in processing it too hard imo just get into the Christmas spirit is what I say!

    now then on that subject….real tree or plastic tree?

    1. Charger Salmons

      Correct.
      What’s happening now is a negotiation.
      These things are complicated,often beset by public spats and position-taking,but ultimately – and I suspect at the 11th hour on the final day – a form of compromise will be reached.
      After that – who knows.

  5. Lilly

    Before the Maurice McCabe story moves on, does anyone know if it would be possible, under the FOIA, to get a copy of the report prepared by the Gardai of the meeting at which they tried to stitch him up – which he had the wit to secretly record? They should get a spell in jail, as should Noirin O’Sullivan.

    1. Bertie Blenkinsop

      JR’s rambling, Hugh Grant-like stuttering non apology on BS on the telly last week makes a lot more sense now that Memes is back.

      1. Killian G

        A “non apology”? I honestly dont think thats fair or correct.

        To be honest and fair to everyone, what can you do if someone persistently changes, I dont know, ISP or e-mail addresses or such.

        I would hope that the message has been understood that a line was crossed.

        I note though that the person ‘abused’ has not made an appearance on Broadsheet for some time. I think thats a big pity.

      2. anne

        ‘Santa’s gim p’ (or whatever he was calling himself) comments are gone.. there are ways to bypass an IP being blocked with a VPN.. I don’t think there’s much they can do about it. I wasn’t having a go at BS really… it’s like there’s no point in blocking someone who’s determined to stick around, like a bad smell.

      3. Know1

        He never went away

        Like yourself – remember you were MIA once and everyone thought you had given it up?

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