14 thoughts on “Doing Anything This Saturday?

      1. Nigel

        No, silly, the alternative is completely closed borders, don’t let anyone in or out, anything else is a threat to our essential Irishness.

    1. ReproBertie

      There are children who have been born into direct provision and have never known anything else. What do we gain by keeping them locked up? What do we gain by keeping their parents locked up for 10 years relying on the state to clothe, house and feed them?

      Let them out, let them stay and let them get on with their lives.

      1. Cian

        Or, if a person seeks asylum, and the State rejects their application, then deport them immediately.

        How many people are 10 years in direct provision? And how many of these have had their application rejected multiple time but keep appealing?

          1. Cian

            So how many poor people should we let into the country?
            And where will they all live? They couldn’t afford to rent, so will end up homeless?

        1. ReproBertie

          Do you know the answers to any of those questions Cian? If so, enlighten us. How many people would have to be there for 10 years for you to consider it an issue?

          As of March 2017 there were 1,191 children in direct provision. Children living in these centres are not necessarily applying for asylum themselves, but are the children of people seeking asylum and may have been born and lived their whole lives in Ireland.

          The McMahon report recommended that decisions be made within 6 months (which is how long DP was initially envisaged to last for anyone) but some asylum seekers are still waiting 7 months just to get their initial interview.

          The report also recommended that anyone who had been in the system for more than 5 years, even if there was a deportation order against them, be given leave to stay.

          The government has, naturally, been slow to implement the report while claiming the opposite.

          1. Cian

            The numbers are difficult to find. What I can see is that:
            According to ria.gov.ie there were 3,276 applications for asylum received in 2015 and 2,244 in 2016.
            According to protectionappeals.ie there were 1,386 appeals received in 2015 and 2,174 in 2016.

            I can’t find the rates at which their applications are accepted – but in 2016 there were 2,244 new cases but 2174 appeals? I don’t know how many were accepted; or how many people were deported – but from those number lots of them are appealing.

            Oh and to answer your other question, in November 2017 there were 206 people in direct provision for 7 or more years. However I can’t find a breakdown of how many of these are (a) children, and (b) have multiple appeals.

            In November last year (most recent data) 26% of new applicants were children. Overall 25.8% of people in direct provision are children. So I’d say that most of the children in Direct Provision are NOT born in Ireland.

          2. ReproBertie

            Yes, apparently the McMahon report implementation is actually working to move people out of Direct Provision.

            Minister Frances Fitzgerald, reporting on the progress of implementing the McMahon report in February 2017 claimed that the number of people in the Direct Provision system for 5 years or more has reduced by 58% from 1,946 persons to 811. “Of these, only 251 are awaiting a final decision on their protection application and the vast majority of these cannot be processed for various reasons such as pending judicial review proceedings.”

            If this progress is true then I’d be interested in seeing the reasons for this protest on Saturday.

            If I was seeking asylum I’d be appealing decisions too.

          3. Cian

            I do understand why people appeal.

            But if someone isn’t eligible and keeps getting refused and keeps appealing then it’s not surprising that they are still in Direct Provision 10 years later…

            FYI by Nov 2017 those numbers have dropped to 427 people in Direct Provision system for 5 years or more[1].

            [1] Based on Latest Entry into RIA Accommodation. This jumps to 575 people based on Initial Asylum Application

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