Bishop of Ossory, Dr Dermot Farrell
Jack Quann, of Newstalk, reports:
The Bishop of Ossory, Dr Dermot Farrell, has suggested abortion is sometimes far worse than rape.
Bishop Farrell has claimed that once introduced, abortion would be extremely difficult to restrict.
His warning came in a letter which was available in the diocese.
But Bishop Farrell told Pat Kenny that while it was available at every mass, it may not have been read at every mass.
“It was available in the church… some priests may have read excerpts of it, others may have published part of it.”
“It’s unlikely any of them would have read the entire thing in its completeness”.
Bishop of Ossory suggests ‘abortion can be far worse than rape’ (Newstalk)
has he been raped ?
straight on to pat kenny. fupp sake, every crack pot lunatic on the no side has had a pop at being on mainstream media. and then they moan about not getting fair coverage. it’s literally only them getting coverage. like imagine asking a full on lunatic like john mcguirk what he thinks? as if he offeres some kind of balance. hes mental.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/two-trainee-priests-sent-back-to-ireland-after-being-found-in-bed-together-1.3491779
That’s gas. The RCC is gas..just a shame so many take it seriously
What has that got to do with either rape or abortion?
“‘Far Worse Than Rape’”
How would he know?
clergy know all about rape
+1
I’m sure he’d a lot about it.
A man involved in an industry steeped in rape culture thinks taking a pill at 9 weeks gestation to shed something the size of a grape is much worse than having a penis shoved into any orifice his buddies felt like putting it.
I’m disgusted by the bishop’s comments, however I’m curious, what do you mean by ‘steeped in rape culture’? I suppose I mean what is ‘culture’ in this instance?
Certainly individual priests raped children and their hierarchy covered it up but then so did fathers and wives covered that up.
Apart from that; this bishop’s comments should hopefully focus minds and be a plus for the repeal campaign
google “rape culture”
I know how to use google thanks Starina. What do you think it means?
Some people think all western societies have a ‘rape culture’ among its males.
yes, men are the REAL victims of rape….., sigh
Dav, do you think men can’t be victims and rape is a word owned by women or what?
Victims are victims.
they had a culture of covering up for rapists and allowing rape to continue by moving said rapists to new locations, if that ain’t rape supporting culture then what is.
By that definition then there is a ‘rape culture’ throughout society as here have been many instances of families covering up of sexual abuse by members of said families.
Would you therefore ascribe the term ‘rape culture’ to society in general?
perhaps it has to go beyond a certain critical mass to be considered a culture
within wider society? probably no
within the church? probably yes
Did the families send the rapist to another relative’s house to rape other family members the way the church did?
Culture for Andrew..
https://www.ranker.com/list/christian-priests-convicted-for-sexual-abuse/robert-wabash
that’s a depressing list of evil
It’s remarkable that the Catholic church has so many men in positions of power who appear to hate women, its hard to take anything else from a disgusting comment like this.
good to see that those priests who raped children in their care are in a better place, on the owld “get into heaven list”, than women who under go a medical procedure,
I suppose they have to justify their existence somehow. I’m sure the rapist priests made a good confession between rapes so they were forgiven their trespasses again… and again… and again…
virginal geriatric with no uterus has un-asked-for opinion. news at 6.
6:01. The country has to be led in prayers by the virginal geriatrics before any news can be transmitted.
Oh gods, you’re right. horribly, horribly right.
Sad but true.
how the actual f**k can people think this abusive nonsense
You can disagree but I’m surprised people don’t understand where this comes from. When your starting point is to compare abortion to murder there is not much thatbis worse than murder.
It’s a crass and unhelpful comparison that does nothing to address the difficult cases, but it shouldn’t come as any surprise.
I expect women who have been raped and who subsequently undergo an abortion would be thrilled to be labeled as murderers by the likes of the bishop. Except even a bishop has the cop-on not to say such a thing publicly. I hope.
He had a fair point
Only point he has is on his stupid phallic hat!
you have a suitable name
Leave names out of it
I’m going to go ahead and say it, The Irish Times, The Irish News, The Belfast Telegraph, The Irish Indo weren’t that great in their reportage in a certain rape trial.
Out of curiosity – how so?
Was it different to their normal reportage of other types of trials?
I think, with the greatest respect, you may be missing the point?
totally… it seems a bit off topic.
Shayna, do you think certain journalists were using the case to build their own media profile and hence went with “populist” opinion?
I’m not a journalist, merely a purveyor of words is all – I’m a mere autocue operator. The words offered to camera aren’t my words.
Also, sure!
Shayna, based on the evidence presented at the trial , are you of the honest opinion that the IT reportage of the case was both untruthful in terms of omisison of facts and unfair ?
Im not sure anyone is actually getting the point?
@ Rotide. I am merely asking Shayna a question. It does not qualify as a statement of fact nor is there any intention to make any point.
The point is that I’m a nobody, it could happen to you scenario. The Bishop’s comments were at best, ill-advised. I don’t have the luxury of having staff.
Still not getting it Shayna.
You questioning the reportage of a trial you were involved in has precisely zero to do with a Bishop making an inflammatory claim.
Where’s the connection?
Aren’t jurors advised to avoid media coverage of their trial?
i think we’ve established that shayna isn’t too troubled by those rules
Ta!
Shayna isn’t too troubled by those rules which is why she’s buying an Indian Scout – 1133cc Motorcycle. It’ll be Adios, Slan, Au Revoir, Good-bye, me on a bike, in Europe? It’s clearly a one way ticket.
nice work
enjoy yourself !
Is that a promise? :-D
I found the Irish Times coverage of the trial to be very good within the bounds of what they were permitted to print.
Also, what has their coverage of that trial have to do with a Bishops opionon on abortion?
It doesn’t, but I am sure Bodger will be thrilled with your new self-appointed role as arbiter of Broadsheet.
Stay out of that subject Shayna, you’ll just get yourself into more trouble eh?
So this guy considers abortion to be the terminating of a life and he then goes on to say that it could be worse than rape? Sheer lunacy, disregard any logic he uses and froth at the mouth at the prospect of this witchdoctor telling you what to do.
Oh no wait, killing someone probably is worse than raping them.
A fair point Paul. Of course the “killing somebody” side of it depends on your point of view and from the Bishop’s point of view it’s a somebody the moment a sperm enters an egg.
I’d be fairly confident there were less controversial ways for him to make his point though.
Does it have to depend on points of view though? Can’t we all just us logic and see if we can’t arrive at a conclusion?
Here, I’ll start – if life does not begin at conception then where does it begin and why? Keeping in mind hopefully that every other point of reference can be applied to a fully formed human – for example, there are not always brain waves in comatose patients and we don’t kill them etc etc…
I personally can not find any other point at which the process starts besides conception, and this pains me because the thought that I’m in agreement with those on the pro-life organising side is depressing.
Paul here is a really good summary of it. The problem is that people worldwide cannot agree as to the start of life. My own view is that it is when a brain and nervous system are formed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml
Rather than seeking agreement would it not be possible to use logic to get to the root of the issue?
What sort of logic would that be Paul?
Life support machines are turned off every day so we absolutely do kill comatose patients without brain waves.
We’d also need to cover the question of when does “life” begin Vs when does “a life” begin. And if we’re doing that we need to think about when life ends. If I’m brain dead but my heart keeps pumping and my hair and nails keep growing am I alive? Does consciousness define human life?
“life” began some 4 billion years ago, and there is an unbroken line of lives from that first one to all of us today.
Both sperm and egg are ‘alive’ prior to conception.
We are staaaardust….
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing on the radio. Mental thing to say! Especially from Bishop
any sign of the No -Siders stampede to Disassociate themselves from this Rogue Anti Abortionist
How these two things are even comparable in anyone’s mind is beyond me. It shows at best a compelte lack of a understanding of both issues and another reason why the church should be removed from anything but its own Sunday Masses
I think actually the point of his statement was that they’re not comparable.
The left is actually eating itself in front of us, the comments section here is a record of that.
What has the left got to do with anything? Do you think everyone campaigning for a Yes vote or considering voting Yes are “the left”?
The left huh?
Considering the history of the Catholic Church these guys have no right to be sharing a moral opinion on abortion at all. They should all shut up outside of mass, keep their dogma to themselves and start to get used to Irish society defining itself secularly and not religiously.
Though I do think his comment ‘Far Worse Than Rape” has been taken slightly out of context. If you listen to the interview he is saying that the abortion after a rape has often been harder to come to terms with than the rape itself for the women so affected. Not sure I believe this for a second but its a different point to saying abortion as an act is worse than rape as an act from a moral point of view.
Whats worse is at the end he is claiming that in cases of incest where a 12 year old is raped that child needs to bring that child to full term. Mind boggling.
It’s really not that mind boggling at all if you consider that he views the foetus as an actual innocent life, you know the whole “2 wrongs don’t make a right” ?
well, Paul, just remember that if you ever get pregnant following an assault…oh wait.
So its perfectly fine to force a 12 year old child who has been raped to carry a baby to term even at the risk of her life and health? Sounds like trying two wrongs to make a right to me alright.
Great bunch of lads are the Church for opposing stuff like Equal Marriage (2015), Civil Partnerships (2010), Divorce (1996), Divorce (1986), Condoms (1985), Mother & Child Healthcare (1950), Tampons (1944). All of these directly affect geriatric men of course.
from the mouth of a “saint ”
“The male sex is more noble than the female, and for this reason he [Jesus] took human nature in the male sex.” (Summa Theologiae III:31:4 ad 1)
Jesus was a penis. That’s how I’m reading it. Thomas Aquinas was throwing shade.
the noble penis
to me that reads like jesus preferred mickey.
yeah me too. dirty minds
Sure doesn’t everyone like Disney?
They also opposed forks, https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/a-quick-history-of-forks-164153
Somehow, this does not surprise me…
Interpol should show him abuse imagery from evidence stock. See if bishop can hold on to his appetite and sleep.
I guess he must have thought the referendum needed a shot of inflammatory rhetorical adrenaline straight to the heart.
by their fruits you shall know them.
Bishop justifies the existence and protection of rapists in the church with the old “look, there’s something worse over there!!!” defence.
Sums up the catholic church.
The patriarchy raving because the control of women is slipping from their hands.