76 thoughts on “Savita’s Law”

    1. Brother Barnabas

      yeah, but it’ll be a bit galling to see FG exploit it as a PR coup. let’s not forget FG actively supported the introduction of the 8th amendment.

      1. ReproBertie

        While we’re not forgetting that, let’s not forget the 8th amendment passed by a margin of 2-1.

        It’s almost as if, 35 years later, things have changed.

        I don’t care who claims credit for it as long as it’s done.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          there’s a lot of credit due to a lot of people and a lot of organisations, but not to FF or FG

          1. ReproBertie

            Yeah, FG only had the balls to put the referendum to the people and Simon Harris tore the LoveBoats apart in the debate but no credit for them.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            harris wasn’t the dead fish everyone expected but “tore apart”? disagree on that

            the fact that varadkar sat on the fence for as long as he did suggests less courageous principle than what you’re suggesting

          7. Nigel

            Have to say, I’ve always despised FG marginally less than FF, but now I despise FF so much more the difference may no longer qualify as a statistical anomaly. Well done in this. If there’s any chance the results shock them into a more progressive srance in other areas that can only be a good thing.

            (Not that I’m holding my breath or anything.)

          9. mildred st. meadowlark

            There was no niche. It was a few disillusioned souls who happened to meet by accident in a hotel lobby.

          12. Nigel

            I’m happy to give a modicum of credit to anyone who stood up for Yes, and the higher they stood the bigger the modicum. Given what we know now, the political inertia in the parties was massive and entrenched so some credit for stepping up in the face of it. But that’s a tiny fraction of the credit due to the actual campaigners.

          13. DeKloot

            Can’t agree with you on this. Given that MM was pretty much a minority voice in his party, there’s no way a FF led government would have brought this forward. FG ultimatly made this happen. Leo gave his instruction to Harris and he drove it home. It no doubt had the support of many in the Dail but there were many dissenting voices.
            I can understand why this galls so many people – as in FG got it done. But they did. They were in the driving seat. In the same vein, when the dust settles here, they’ll continue to take their lumps for all the other stuff they have to deal with and when it’s time for an election, the public will weight it all up and decide.

          14. Cu Cullan

            Success has many mothers.. what care we..? Each of us knows who delivered and didn’t..

          15. scottser

            i have some respect to FG on the last two amendments to the constitution but it’s pretty obvious they hate the poor and will work the lower classes into the dirt given half a chance. the cynic in me does look at these last two referendums and think that someone is going to make a profit from it all by bringing more consumers to the market.

          16. rotide

            You don’t want to give credit to FG?

            Which government legislated for X (the legislation might have been rubbish but in 20 years noone else bothered plus they knew what was coming down the road)

            Which government oversaw the marriage referendum

            Which government oversaw the 8th referendum which up until a couple of years ago was unthinkable for a government to call, nevermind one with a new and unproven leader.

            For gods sake, give them SOME credit

          17. Harry Molloy

            Politics is the new football and if they’re not your team then they’re not your team

          18. realPolithicks

            Heres my quick impersonation of Clampers: SF, shinners, mary lou harumph harumph…feminazis, social justice warriors….blah blah blah…

      2. Frilly Keane

        dunno ’bout that Brudder

        as far as I remember it started with the FFers Minority Government in early ’82
        and when Noonan became Minister for Justice after the *second ’82 election he followed it through with Sutherland who was AG at the time, although apparently the latter was iffy about the language in it and wanted to plant “abortion” within the wording.

        If we go to the previous Government of that same year, only lasted a few months, that Holy Joe Woods was both Minister for Health & Minister Social Welfare – that’s the root.
        But I’m no historian or expert.
        However I will live my life saying that the late 8th Amendment started with Micheal Woods, and we all know what he ended up doing for his pals.

        * in ’82 there were two elections, 1st one Jan/ Feb and led to a minority FF, second one in Nov’ the resulted in a FG/Labour

      3. Friscondo

        You must have been great craic in the pub celebrating repeal. Everyone high on the unexpected landslide and you constantly whinging, “yeah but, Varadkar, Fine Gael.” I’m old enough to remember the poison of introduction of 8th, so couldn’t care less how it got repealed. It’s GONE.

        1. Frilly Keane

          that’s hardly for me Frissy
          is it?

          but yeah, I had a ball
          dancing on grave of ’83

          but still more to do;
          like changing out me avatar

          any suggestions lads?

          3. Frilly Keane

            You should know me well enough by now Janie to know the only Kat I’d have to the left of me is one that is being clattered
            or sum’ting like that

          4. scottser

            i like the current avatar. maybe lose the repeal bit. and it needs more panties – frilly ones.

  2. Baz

    so name a law permitting abortion after a woman who sadly died but not because she was denied access to an abortion, interesting.
    Perhaps name a law covering contributory medical negligence in memory of Savita but not an abortion law.

      1. Baz

        no, if you wish to apportion blame then stick with the facts, Savita died of sepsis, her outcome may have been different but for 13 missed opportunities for medical intervention by medical professionals.
        No law would have restricted any of the missed opportunities being acted upon
        Its disingenuous to state that Savita would be alive today if she had easy access to abortion services unless you are suggesting that Savita had initiated her miscarriage due to lack of access to such a service.

          3. ReproBertie

            Give over. The guy who wrote the report said she would be alive if she had been given an abortion when she asked for it.

            Ah, to hell with ya. Ireland voted 2-1 in favour of rejecting your pathetic whitewash.

        2. Dinny Do Well?

          She requested a termination and was denied it because of the presence of a foetal heatbeat -i.e., the medical staff were prevented from performing the termination.

          She is dead because of the 8th. Nobody was sued for a medical misdiagnosis.

          Go and read the report.

          You’re some sore loser. Law library not open today yet?

          1. Ron

            Baz is right about Savita dying of sepsis, but what he/she fails to understand is how sepsis is treated. This ones for you Baz: It is a 100% certainty that effective treatment of sepsis involves the removal of the source of same, where possible: be that an abscess that needs to be drained, an infected implant, or, as in Savita’s case, the contents of the uterus.

    3. Nigel

      Think you might be misreading the room. And by room I mean the entire country and what actually happened.

  5. Rugbyfan

    and to think that Ronan Mullan is still allowed to be a senator after what he said..

    1. Robert

      He’s allowed to be Senator for as long as his constituency see fit, and unless the Seanaid vote actually sees some activism he will continue to be …

    2. Clampers Outside!

      To think Mary Lou and Pearse Doherty are still in office after their bare faced denial of their party releasing sex offenders on people in the south.
      Worse than Mullen, as they are TDs, imo

          1. Dinny Do Well?

            You’d better get ready to emigrate.

            Mary Lou will be the next Tánaiste. Even the Irish Times acknowledged her performance was outstanding during the campaign.

      2. italia'90

        You’re like a broken record Clampers.
        Same post 2 days in a row. Smells of desperation and classic deflection.
        I haven’t voted for SF in a few years and have never in my life voted for FG.
        But I’m honestly reconsidering where my preferences are going next election.
        Can you imagine a FG/SF government next year and a Brexit wrecking ball in full swing?
        2 pro partition parties in government and both arguing for no border, You couldn’t make it up lol

        1. scottser

          i believe it’s prudent to have the one party who is represented in each of the four parliaments affected by brexit actually in government for the next few years. Sinn Fein should be breaking their collective arses to be invaluable and relevant in this area. They shouldn’t waste this opportunity to bring about a united ireland.

          1. italia'90

            I agree, The DUP should select candidates for the south immediately.
            They have potentially over 700,000 voters to canvass and here’s a few with potential David Quinn, Declan Ganley, Cora Sherlock, Maria Steen, Eddie Hobbs, Lucinda Creighton, Billy Timmons Katie Ascough, Ronan Mullen and John McGuirk lol

          2. SOQ

            Don’t encourage them. Keep the religious tribalism going until the North is dragged into at least the mid 90’s.

          3. Clampers Outside!

            On both divorce and abortion, like in the South, the people are ahead of their politicians….

            (I’ll link to the survey on NI attitudes to those issues if I find it)

    3. rotide

      Saw an interview with Mullen on satuday where he spun the result into ‘the voters have recognised that elected officials need to make these decisions and I intend to take that mandate very seriously and continue to fight for the life of the unborn’ etc etc

      You sort of have to admire that sort of demented reasoning.

    4. Frilly Keane

      That has me tinking now Rugbee Fan

      D’ye remember there was a pr1ck around here a while back who said sum’ting utterly disgusting about girls getting Abortions on waiting room Chairs?
      ” Savita’s with no money”

      That Senator is the only person I know that has the mentality to say sum’ting as vile, intolerant and mysogyninystic as that

      Just pure downright ignorance and hate

      Can’t remember the thread exactly
      But yer wan off the Telly got stuck in

      Hang on there
      It might be embedded inta a FrillBit somewhere
      Gimme a minute

  7. Sir Adolf Von Bratwurst

    Im popping down to the George Bernard Shaw for an IPA. I will be weariny my repeal t-shirt as will my partner grainne.. Imt the guy with the beard.

  8. Bs

    Has everyone forgotten the fact that Varadkar is a self confessed conservative Catholic Pro lifer?

    He just saw that change was inevitable and rode that wave right to the front pages with a yes badge on him.

    1. Sir Adolf Von Bratwurst

      A bit difficult to be a Conservative Catholic given his active social life and choice of partner.

    2. b

      people change, opinions evolve – that’s why this vote result was so much different to that 30 years ago

  9. Frilly Keane

    BTW
    I think its pretty shameful and scummy that someone wrote on Savita’s face

    Its the kinda thing the other crowd would’ve done this time last week

    is it just me?

    1. Starina

      nah, it’s not just you. it was probably the same sort of eejit who carves their name into ruins when they’re on holiday.

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