Buffer Solution

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The proposal includes a 10 mile-wide buffer zone the length of Northern Ireland’s border

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…[UK Brexit secretary] David Davis is devising a new Brexit plan to break a talks deadlock by giving Northern Ireland joint EU and UK status as well as a border buffer zone.

Under the radical blueprint, the province would operate a double hatted regime of European and British regulations at the same time, so it can trade freely with both.

FIGHT!

ULSTER FRY-UP David Davis devises 10 mile-wide trade buffer zone along Northern Ireland border to break deadlock in Brexit talks (The Sun)

Graph via The Sun

47 thoughts on “Buffer Solution

    1. vertigo

      Not a chance.
      The UK voted out so now its out.
      When will the penny drop?
      Sadly so much time wasted in wishful thinking and no time in plan b a hard border

  1. Teds Big Adventure

    This has to stop now. Its enough. Nobody on mainland Britain even knew NI was part of their colony which needed to be considered in the Brexit process. Its seriously time now to find a way to unite North & South rather than trying to preserve a pointless outpost of Old Empire.

    1. Braaap

      The south would have to also agree, I don’t think we could float the north given our precarious economic position.

      1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

        this
        we can’t afford that act of charity
        housing and healthcare here first

      2. Teds Big Adventure

        I read a thing of some sorts a while ago – and I’ve no idea what it was or where I can find it now – but it was a study on this matter. To make a long story short it concluded that while the short term pain would be harsh the long term gain would be exponential. While we have two small economies side by side at the moment combining them and growing as one would (supposedly) send us on quite the upward trajectory. Lets not forget the British would be compelled to subsidise for a certain period of time there after as would the E.U.

        The original Tri Colour is was created to represent the possibility of both Fenian Irish and Unionist British being able to live side by side on the same land. Surely with a small bit of cajoling this can be an all island possibility today.

        1. Zaccone

          Northern Ireland has received a €10bn a year subvention from the mainland for most years this decade. And it also has a huge percentage of its working population employed by the state who would need to be paid for, as well as the NHS. As well as the extra policing costs that would surely be needed for unhappy unionists.

          “short term pain” is slightly underselling the massive, massive cuts that would be needed in the South to cover this €10bn-€20bn a year black hole. With NI in the EU our economies are already completely linked – there aren’t many extra synergies to be gained.

          1. johnny

            how’d it go from 10-20 ?
            just dropping a big fat number out there is extremely lazy,and useless, its not utilized except by those with an agenda,or scaremongering.
            how does 10 billion this say compare per head with Wales ?

          2. Cian

            What about debt? UK Nation Debt = £1,780bn ~ €2,000bn;

            NI has 2.9% of the UK population; so it’s proportion of the debt is €57bn; Does that come across too? Or do they just write that off and ‘give’ NI away – writing that 57bn off against the 10bn/year subsidy?

          3. johnny

            yeah Can-invaded and occupied countries when they get their freedmon pay back their oppressors, for the pleasure of the it all :)

          4. johnny

            yeah Can-invaded and occupied countries when they get their freedom pay back their oppressors, for the pleasure of the it all :)

          5. Zaccone

            It doesn’t really matter how it compares to Wales, as nobody is calling for the Republic of Ireland to annex Wales as far as I’m aware. It got from €10bn to €10bn-€20bn a year by allowing:

            – €11.5bn the current NI subvention figure
            – The cost of employing almost almost 1/3rd of the population in the public sector, as NI currently stands
            – Paying for the NHS,
            – And paying for extra security costs.

            Its hard to give an exact figure for these, but €10-20bn is a good ballpark. €15bn might be a reasonable “exact” figure if you want to narrow it down. Which is an astronomical sum, considering the Irish government spent €60bn in total last year. The cuts required to pay for absorbing NI would dwarf those of the recession.

        2. Cian

          There was a Sinn Fein sponsored paper that said something similar.

          But one of the things overlooked was the difficulties in merging the two civil services into one – every single process North and South would need to be documented, compared, and a decision made as to which should be kept (or scrap both and compromise). Then one half would need to update their running to encompass this changed process. Rinse and repeat for everything from medical cards, dole, business grants, tenancy regulation, banking, pub licencing, car NCT, licencing, penalty points, planning permissions, etc, etc, etc[1].
          To achieve the savings and synergies we would need to completely align the two services and then fire about 25% of the public sector.
          this. will. never. happen.

          [1] there are some areas where we both use EU legislation which should be the same/closely aligned. But *everything* done by the civil service would need to be changed.

          1. SOQ

            A figure which shocks most people is that 16% of NI housing is social. Also, the unemployment figures are skewed because there is a very high number on disability benefits, In the 90’s it was around 1 in 7 adults and I doubt if it has gone down since.

            The biggest employer by far is the British government. There is little investment from outside the UK and most other is minimum wage call centres. There is a growing private health care sector but the NHS is by far the main player. All prescriptions are free and dental treatments are subsidised, £25 for a filling etc. PSNI is four time per head of An Garda Síochána which is a nice number for those involved.

            For good and bad, there is a lot more state involvement in people’s day to day lives than ROI, it really has a east German pre wall vibe. Either NI goes the way of ROI or the other way around, probably a bit of both.

    2. bob

      WE have enough loonies in the republic, sure look at what happened when they allowed the Love Ulster people march down in Dublin We don’t need that sort of shite down here.

    3. vertigo

      The British have other ideas.
      Sadly this is the reality ,a united Ireland is as distant as it was in the heights of the troubles.
      As for the north ,I lived in the UK up to the 80s and remember all the hostilities
      All British people were aware of the death and terrorism
      As a Irish son of an immigrant I found the people very tolerant and even when the Birmingham bomb blasts happened there was no tarring and feathering of Irish where I lived

  2. Col

    I don’t understand the buffer zone- anyone?
    Also, lol at the use of “miles”. Remember them?

    1. The Old Boy

      The Belfast Telegraph is describing it as “a 10-mile wide “special economic zone” […] within which local traders could operate under the Republic’s trade rules.”

      It sounds like a lot of nonsense to me.

      1. Col

        So, north of that, you operate by UK rules, south of it you operate by ROI rules and in the middle you get the best of both?
        Will it become a mecca for various trades and mega-mall type setups?

    2. vertigo

      Reminds me of the Berlin wall
      Call it what you want its a hard border .
      Another thing people have not realised is the illegal immigrants using Ireland as a point to enter the UK
      Ireland could resemble Calais as a point to get in
      Can you imagine the cost to our people as these people are sent back over the border as the British ensure northern Ireland will be like a massive tea strainer
      Can you imagine the headaches for our government

  3. Kolmo

    It’s happening….slow inevitability of a 32 county situation..a 2nd Republic, most middle class unionists will go for it when they see they can’t afford their golf club fees or yacht varnish.The DUP were bought off (£420,000) to pump the Brexit omnipoo-pooshow, short-sighted stupidity, easily bought, they are fueled by a underlying biblical stupidity and distaste for the “native” and a delusion that they are not from Ireland – no wonder they don’t sit in government in the North, they would be further exposed for what they are. I have not heard one single cogent, or any evidence-based argument why England is better off outside of the the worlds largest trading block, a critical mass of easily influenced voters were lied to by shady types in the background of media organisations, they won the vote and then evaporated, leaving the UK government looking like flapping gobpoos and causing real problems for everyone on this island, never mind Britain.

    1. Teds Big Adventure

      Brexit was never an economic matter despite how it was sold. Brexit was to middle England “too many darkies and packies” That’s the reality and nobody (in authority) will ever say it.

        1. Teds Big Adventure

          Truly can be impossible just to simply discuss something here. There is no need for confrontation or provocation. Whats with the anger !

    2. ahjayzis

      Move the capital to Belfast to take the pressure off Dublin, make the presidential Harp flag the new national flag, federalise the new republic. Win win!

  4. Jonjo

    It’s an awfully long wall. Just cut it off at Bundoran and let them have Donegal. Would cut out around half of the wall.

    Few windows and some nice composite doors along the wall and everyone is happy.

  5. SOQ

    There is already a ten mile no man’s land trade zone around certain parts of the border region. This just makes it official.

    1. vertigo

      But we are all in the EU now
      We are talking a situation that one part is in the other out.
      And the negotiations could get nasty ,then what?
      Another aspect is movement of people and those who are entitled to move freely within the EU but post EU not allowed to enter the UK
      And the north is part of the UK.
      Can you imagine the criminal gangs smuggling in and out of two very different jurisdictions
      The customs import export taxes

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