53 thoughts on “Water Rats

  1. john f

    It’s funny because it’s partly true.
    Billions have been spent setting up and running Irish water, would it not have made sense to spend this money on water infrastructure improvements and not waste it on this monstrosity.

    1. ____

      The idea behind Irish water was to generate an income against which could be borrowed* the tens of billions needed to completely revamp the network.

      Not much point blaming Irish water for this when we’re not giving them the money to do anything about it.

      *(in theory, without it appearing on the government balance sheet)

          1. Cian

            The public should not be blamed for any reckless use of water because “decades of underinvestment” led to the summer drought, an expert claimed yesterday.
            “So for people, this is not an issue created by reckless use by householders. This is an Irish Water issue and frankly they should be owning it and they should be apologising for it.

            um. Irish Water was set up 5 years ago, But it is being blamed for “decades of underinvestment”. Nice.

        1. Cian

          you mentions all that money that the state has paid to Irish Water….
          …but forget to mention the *billions* of litres of potable water that Irish Water has provided to its customers.

          1. john f

            Nationally Irish water just uses old council water services. If vast sums of money were not wasted on bonuses, consultation costs, billing systems, metering, new buildings to house Irish water’s overpaid and redundant personnel etc, and was instead put into fixing leaks and changing out old antiquated pipes things will be a lot better than they are now.

          2. ____

            So john f..by your ownlinks, the vast majority hasn’t been wasted as you imply, it’s simply gone into providing water, capital investment and metering.

            Some has gone into setting up the company – setting up one of the biggest companies in the history of the state was never going to be cheap. Was some of this wasted? I’m sure it was, certainly hiring John Tierney was idiotic. Hard to say it was particularly wasteful for a venture of this size though.

            So we’re really left with maybe tens of millions that could have been better spent – far from nothing, but not enough to make noticeable dint in the century worth of ignoring the problem. At least now we have one body that’s in charge of solving the problem, we’re just lacking a way of funding it.

  2. Joe cool

    anyone see the two pictures from yesterday?. powerwashing the papal cross and washing o connell st. How are we supposed to all play our part when some are blatantly taking the pi55

    1. Bruncvik

      In all fairness, pressure washing uses much less water than using a garden hose (different sources put water usage to 10-40% of garden hose throughput). On the lower end of water usage, I’d say powerwashing uses up about as much water as me, watering my garden with a watering can.

      1. Ask Arsene

        I use pressure washing in every application.Watering plants,teeth,cleaning children.Saves litres.

        1. edalicious

          ‘magine a little mini powerhose in your sink to do the dishes with. That would be SAVAGE.

    2. edalicious

      I believe they use unprocessed water from the rivers and canals to clean the streets so not relevant to the current crisis.

  3. SOQ

    I wonder if there are any stats out there which show the usage breakdown between domestic and commercial users?

    Also, as Irish Water in the main(pun) do not bill commercial, who is responsible for advising commercial users in times like this?

  4. Rob_G

    If it was coming from a CoCo instead of IW, would people still take such grievous offense? Seriously, it’s not that hard: there isn’t much water left for the moment, so don’t be a douche and fill a paddling pool or water your lawn – geez.

    1. Rob_G

      Jesus, I can’t believe that Broadsheet has a ‘Fake drought’ tag – FFS, it hasn’t rained in weeks, you could and look at low the waters are in Blessington if you were @rsed…

    2. SOQ

      If the council’s approached it in the same highhanded manner then yes, the response would be the same.

      Irish Water has an uncanny knack of rubbing people up the wrong way. There is no way they can identify hose users from a 3 month read of a meter so why threaten with it? In fact why threaten at all?

      It is extraordinary bad communications from people who are supposed to be experts in it.

      1. Cian

        “There is no way they can identify hose users from a 3 month read of a meter so why threaten with it? In fact why threaten at all?”

        Have IW actually said any of this?
        Who are IW threatening?

        1. SOQ

          Yes they have, or at least the government have. I can’t post links at the moment but there was a story saying just that in yesterday’s Indo.

          Completely different approach to NIWater’s press releases. They appealed for people to conserve, not threaten unenforceable fines.

          1. Rep

            Other then speculation on the newspapers, the only offifial comment I could see was
            “Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said there were penalties available under law to allow that people be fined or prosecuted for wasting water, but that was not the approach that would work best.

            Those found in breach of the ban could face a fine of €125.”

            So basically, the law is there to fine but its not what they want to do which has turned into IW being to boogyman. People will believe any bad thing about IW.

          2. SOQ

            @ Cain, no I hadn’t read the official release and it is a hell of a lot more reasonable than what is being reported in the media. Tnxs.

    3. rotide

      +1 there are some axes being grinded very heavily here and of course broadsheet panders to them

      1. SOQ

        In fairness when you read stories quoting Irish Water, its hard to know if they are true or just some journalist poo stirring.

        There is a picture being painted that they are peeping over every fence and hedge in the country right now.

  5. Catherine costelloe

    IW have closed lanes 7 & 8 in all Dublin swimming baths to spare water from today as well!

    1. Rob_G

      Indeed there should definitely be grants for having this work carried out).

      (water charges would go even further to encourage people to install these systems, but I will say no more…)

  6. Junkface

    They are going to have to replace the old broken pipes, and people are going to have to pay for it. There’s no getting around it, it is essential for Irelands future and growing population. Nothing is free in life, except the air we breathe, for the moment.

    1. Nigel

      And people were hammering on about this and warning them all through the Celtic Tiger and FF ignored it like they ignored every warning about crumbling infrastructure.

  7. Rep

    I am getting to the stage where I nearly hope that water restrictions are put in place. I am sure then broadsheet will complain about this ‘fake drought’. Why doesn’t someone head up the Dublin mountains and take a pic of the reservoir levels just to confirm how fake it all is? Be careful of all fires and the tons of water the fire bridage are being forced to drop.

  8. anne

    It’ll be raining again soon enough..It’s all a bit of publicity for Irish Water if you ask me.

    1. Rep

      “Met Éireann has said the country is on the brink of a nationwide drought.

      It said that no rainfall has been recorded at 24 of its 25 weather stations for the past 12 days.

      Forecasters added that if this situation continues for three more days, the drought will officially be nationwide.”

      1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        Apparently it’s going to be lovely until the 16th. According to me Ma. And she’s never wrong.

    2. Rob_G

      anne took her double degree in meteorology and water management in the prestigious “School of ‘Some Bloke Down the Pub Told Me'”

      1. anne

        Eh you dont need a degree in meteorology to know it will rain again at some stage…

        1. Cian

          true. It will rain again at some stage.
          And there will be enough water in the reservoirs again at some stage.

          The current problem is that the reservoirs may empty out before the rain replenishes them.

  9. Barry the Hatchett

    It’s pretty disappointing to see broadsheet engage in this “fake drought” nonsense.

    1. rotide


      This is broadsheets stock in trade, there isn’t a conspiracy out there that Bodger isn’t willing to indulge.

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