27 thoughts on “Protection Of Sources

  1. Alan McGee

    It’s ok Ciaran it will almost certainly rain again. When it does, perhaps use the job you have to make sure we have enough of it when it gets sunny again or when we have snow etc.

  2. Giggidygoo

    Maybe Ciaran would get to the source of the decision to collect extra taxes specifically put on years ago to finance the water system, while the investment didn’t happen ? Mmmmm …. wasn’t his party in government for a period.
    Het off the toilet Ciaran

      1. Nigel


    1. Cian

      Do you mean the decision in 2013 to collect extra taxes specifically to finance the water system?
      The investment didn’t happen because people got upset at having to pay for the water… and all the money collected to date was refunded.

      1. mildred st meadowlark

        Oh Cian. That old chestnut.

        The government could have used the millions of euros put into

        1. mildred st meadowlark


          The government could have used the millions of euros put unto IW – is it the most reviled company in Ireland? – and used it for funding our outdated and overworked water system.

          Did we really need another bloated public body? Probably not. Refunds aside, that was a lot of money pissed away for nothing.

          If they’d used the taxes allocated for water for the purpose it was set aside we might have less of this.

          But we’ve all had this argument. It’s very 2015.

          1. Liam Deliverance

            And they are still pissing it away in IW I’d imagine. I’d like to see figures for staff numbers, what they do, what they are paid, bonuses, junkets, BIK etc etc – how much could realistically be saved by reducing staff numbers and unnecessary spending, then put that money into the water service. That half a billion on water meters, did they derive any beneficial use from them, I’ve never seen or heard of a van plus man collecting data from them, did that ever happen or do they just sit there in the ground like the E500m sits in yer mans pocket.

          2. realPolithicks

            There is also the little matter of the contract for installing water meters being awarded to a company owned by [he who must not be named]. A company which was practically donated to him by NAMA.

          3. Cian

            “And they are still pissing it away in IW I’d imagine. […] I’ve never seen or heard of a van plus man collecting data from them, did that ever happen or do they just sit there in the ground”
            So which is it?
            Why are IW wasting money /
            Why doesn’t IW send a van to collect metering data (which is useless as nobody is charged)

      2. Giggidygoo

        Go back to 1997 when Howlin increased VAT and Road Fund (motor tax) specifically for the purpose. I don’t remember a water tax in 2013. Do you? As far as I remember it was a water charge and was not payable to government. Do you remember the Greens being in Government in 2013?
        Or are you just being Cian?

  3. Joe Small

    Its not really accurate to cite one specific spot as the start of the Liffey – there’s a whole catchment area around the Sally Gap.

  4. Ron

    ahhh yeah. Ciaran Cuffe… the great green defender and saviour of the environment. Is he the same politician who was sacked as the party’s spokesman on the environment after it emerged he held shares in six oil exploration companies.

    Remember the files released which showed that he owned a total of $68,253 worth of shares in ChevronTexaco, BP Amoco, Exxon, Schlumberger, Smith International and Unocal, out of a total portfolio worth $1.37m.

    Sit down Cuffe you absolute cretin.

    1. Nigel

      Didn’t he inherit those shares from his mother? Do give the whole story or people might think you’re out to smear the guy.

      1. Topsy

        He did inherit the shares & retained them (while pontificating on all issues environmental) until he was found out. Just like the rest of the piggies with their heads in the trough.

      2. ReproButina

        Didn’t he also step down rather than be sacked after it emerged that the portfolio he inherited from his mother included shares in oil companies?

        1. Nigel

          A ridiculous act of personal accountability in a political culture where brass neck rules.

  5. A Person

    (a) the Liffey stats in Kildare.

    (b) It cost lots of money to treat water that you can drink and wash.

    (c. Pay for what you use.

    (d) why, like waste, do you have to pay for nothing. Have you never heard of the “polluters pays””

    1. mildred st meadowlark

      I was also told that all our water is treated. As in, the water used to wash our clothes is treated, the water in our dishwashers is treated etc.

      Surely that’s a spectacular waste of resources too. Do we really need drinkable water for washing our socks?

      I should add that I’m not sure if this is true or not though it wouldn’t surprise me.

      1. Cian

        Yeah – the water used for washing and showers and toilets is clean.

        The argument is that it is easier/cheaper to have 1 set of water distribution pipes in a city pumping drinking water rather then having 2 sets with drinking in one, and slightly less clean – but clean enough to wash with in the other.

        The way to go (personal opinion) is to have a separate grey water system – water that isn’t drinkable but is clean enough for the toilets separate from the clean water for drinking/cleaning. This grey water could be rainwater collected locally.

      2. Qwerty123

        ??? Water in dishwashers and washing machines come from the mains. All mains water is treated. Do you suggest 2 seperate supplies to every house, one treated and one not? We can barely get one supply sorted. Else you are being sarcastic and went completely over my head…

        1. scottser

          nah, all you need is one clean supply in, then ways to collect and treat your waste water. there should be a lot more of a push to introduce grey water re-use from your washing machine, bath and sinks so you water the garden or wash your clothes..
          if you were brave enough you could collect your poo and either harvest the methane. or generate electricity from your wee by running it through a microbial fuel cell
          to me, the problem isn’t the water in, it’s the water out.

          1. Cian

            re@ methane: if you are living in the middle of the country – possibly;

            but in a town/city a sewerage system is the way to go – and yes, perhaps we need to harvest all the, ahem, gold – but get the benefit of scale and do it centrally.

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