54 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

  1. deluded

    Of course this is just some article or other about a half-baked study: https://www.thelocal.se/20180807/support-for-democracy-weak-among-swedens-youngsters-survey
    Which brings me to Michael Gove.
    He didn’t mean to say that people were tired of experts. What he said (despite interruption) was that people were not willing to listen to these experts who were so often wrong.
    That’s what we will face if Irexit ever gets going, a general rejection of the expert opinion of the type of people who would, for instance, justify bulldozing hundreds of thousands of unwanted houses that will take generations to pay for while many of us pay 50% or more of our income renting poor accommodation.
    There are deep problems and a decade of hurt to be milked.

  2. Ollie Cromwell

    Indeed.
    “Experts” predicted Britain would by now be in the throes of a recession,with 750,000 extra unemployed and the City of London a veritable ghost town with financiers flocking to Dublin instead.
    The complete opposite has happened.
    In fact unemployment is at its lowest in decades,the City is booming,record exports thanks to the sound trading at a much more realistic level which is also bringing in record numbers of tourists.
    The Irish media and the Remain UK media would have you believe the country is regretting its choice – far from it.A second referendum would bring an even bigger majority.People remember the lies of Project Fear and see it being repeated with Project Fear 2 with nonsense about stockpiling food and planes grounded.
    Once Britain exits the EU and trades perfectly normally in the real world and the EU moves on from using Ireland as a negotiating ploy and immigration continues to erode the infrastructure of Ireland you’ll hear a lot more about Irexit.
    https://quillette.com/2018/08/03/britains-populist-revolt/

        1. johnny

          So the city is ‘booming’ yet because of ‘capitalism’ and ‘supply and demand” house prices and rents in booming London are falling, its going get a lot ‘boomier’ with no deal….

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            London has seen record-breaking property prices for three decades – it’s inevitable that eventually prices start to cool off particularly with uncertainty over Brexit.
            Down 1.7% on a year is hardly a slump.
            Prices in the rest of the UK are still higher than they were this time last year.
            Which is a shame because I have my eye on a lovely holiday home in North Cornwall.

          2. johnny

            They not keeping pace with inflation,but no point letting the facts get in the way.
            You sound like a Irish politician pre crash with the cooling off nonsense, its a fecking bloodbath in London with sellers slashing prices and no buyers, the data point you use has a lag or timing factor.
            But carry on chaps,don’t forget wire that 10 BILLION which exceeds the cost of EU membership to Belfast,cherrio…..

  3. Ollie Cromwell

    Jaysus,there’s going to be a run on avocados – where are we going to get our sliced avocado on sourdough toast mammy ?
    Beret Boy falls for the Irish media propaganda.

    1. Jibjob

      The UK National Farmers Union -who may therefore know a thing or two about food -warned that the UK produces 60% of the food needed to sustain itself.

  4. deluded

    Project Fear : “…immigration continues to erode the infrastructure of Ireland…”
    Nonsense, as you know, like the £350 million-a-week for the NHS.
    The sad fact is Brexit will do nothing for the Northern towns that voted for it and will do nothing to stem immigration from the Commonwealth (where most of the muslims actually come from).
    Whatever they thought they had is long lost and they’ve turned their backs on the only people willing to give them a hand, a grant or a way out if that’s what they want.
    They certainly won’t get that from the Tories.
    That England is owned by its faded empire. Its head is buried in the past. Look at The Express bemoaning ignorance of a war over a century ago where the poor and desperate flung themselves to slaughter in a grasp for honour, glory or some meaning in pointless carnage. What have they to offer the next generation?
    As much as I like England and English people in general (shockin’ polite and easy going) I do wonder where they are headed and what will happen years from now when the brave Brexiteers wake up to find nothing has changed for them and the world has moved on.

  5. Ollie Cromwell

    The amount of foreign inward investment in the UK which shows no signs of waning – the most investment of any country in the EU – suggests many countries and companies think Blighty is a very good bet for the future.
    And like Trump you’re confusing England with Britain.
    Brexit was a British vote among a broad cross-section of the public which,unlike the embarrassment of Ireland and Lisbon 2,shows no signs of being reversed.
    Blighty will be just fine,don’t you worry old sport.

    1. deluded

      It’s going to be a pain in the ar$e with all the new paperwork and visas and individual standards. A vast waste of time and resources.
      But it’s interesting that you’ve ignored all of my points.

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        You were writing cliches about the Empire which is why I ignored them.
        See the post below on Nelson’s Law.

        1. deluded

          Piffle, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has nothing to do with The Empire?
          And what of the vote in Nortern Ireland or Scotland to Remain?
          A fine how-do-you-do for the Scottish who were threatened with a veto on joining the EU if they voted for independence.
          ‘Tis a watery stew you are serving us old chap.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            The Scots do very well out of the Union via the Barnett Formula so it’s only fair they accept the referendum result.
            Besides,there’s no chance of IndyRef2 anytime soon.
            Have you seen today’s poor Scottish exam results after years of SNP power ?
            Sturgeon is a busted flush and she knows it.

          2. deluded

            So it’s democracy when it suits you and an empire when it doesn’t.
            I am delighted you have feck all besides hand-waving and ad hominems when tested.

  6. Otis Blue

    Some classic deflection there by the Agriculture Minister on climate change.

    Ireland’s climate change record is appalling and EPA projections show us woefully off course to meet 2020 climate targets and make Ireland liable for fines which may exceed €1bn. Agriculture, particularly cattle, accounts for a third of all our GHG emissions. It’ll take a lot of trees to mitigate that.

    Even by the dismally low standard of Government Minister, Michael Creed is a bit special.

  7. Ollie Cromwell

    I’m going to call it Nelson’s Law from now on.
    Rather like Godwin’s Law and Hitler it’s an inevitable fact that the longer an Irish person discusses Brexit the more chance the Empire will be mentioned.
    Most people who voted Leave in the referendum were born after the end of the Empire ,one in three came from black and ethnic minorities,half of them were women,quite a few of them were Irish – this idea that old codgers yearning for the days of the Raj quoting The Road to Mandalay and drinking Singapore Slings drove Brexit is as lazy a trope as me saying all Irish people are gormless,work-shy drunks.
    Nelson’s Law it is.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            I know you probably think I’m wounded by your rapier-like wit but if I don’t get the joke it rather defeats the object,don’t you think ?
            Go on,surprise yourself and explain it to me.

          2. Ollie Cromwell

            Can’t really write to my mother old sport as she died some years ago.
            But you can write to explain to me the zinger putdownn you came up with.
            Go on,go on,go on.

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            ” At least it’s not corned beef. Find me an Irish person who ever ate that. Gick. ”

            …. letting the adults talk.

        1. ReproButina

          Taking back control of borders = “EU please sort out the border” and longer queues for UK passport holders at UK points of entry
          Taking back control of Laws = UK tied to EU rules and regulations after Sasamach but with no say.

          Going well so far.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            No-one takes the FT seriously these days after it led the charge on the now discredited Project Fear.
            It’s become like The Guardian but pinker.

        2. Starina

          I can’t wait to stroll past all the Brits whinging that they have to wait in the long queue at Dublin airport. Brexit, baby!

          1. deluded

            I am sure it will cut both ways, we will surely face the same now travelling to the UK.
            For business it is the new load of pointless paper pushing that will really grind us down.

          2. Ollie Cromwell

            At least you don’t have to worry about queues of Irish people returning “home” from their well-paid jobs and nice lifestyles in Blighty post-Brexit.
            They ain’t coming back baby.

    1. Nigel

      Of all your self-owns, equating the British Empire to the Third Reich is going to be hard to top, but I reckon you’re up to the challenge.

        1. Nigel

          Imagine painting yourself into an ideological corner where you’re obliged to use ‘virtue’ as an insult because your moral bankruptcy is too obvious to deny.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            A bit of a tortuous analogy there but if it makes you happy and puts a song in your heart who am I to deny you some pleasure ?
            Toodles.

          2. Nigel

            You don’t know what an analogy is. But being a Brexiteer you DO know about torturing logic and truth. BOOM. Nelson’s law explodes like a relic of imperial rule on O’Connell Street. Mike drop. Peace out. UK out. Don’t let the border hit you on the way out.

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            Poor Nigel.
            He’s having an internet meltdown.
            And that’s even before Brexit gets really interesting.
            We’re made of stronger stuff fortunately.

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