“I’m Aware Of The Fact We’re Above 10,000”

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From top: Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe; Latest family homless figures

Yesterday evening.

The Department of Housing published the homeless figures for October.

They show there were 5,999 adults, 1,709 families and 3,725 children – a total of 9,724 individuals – staying in State-funded emergency accommodation in the final week of October.

In September, there were 5,869 adults, 1,753 families and 3,829 children – a total of 9,698 individuals.

This means the number of adults accessing emergency accommodation has increased by 133, the number of families has decreased by 44 and the number of children has also decreased by 104.

The official Department of Housing homeless figures do not include the number of people who are sleeping rough across Ireland.

This morning.

On RTÉ’s Morning Ireland

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was asked about the latest homeless figures and he said they represented “a great personal challenge” for everyone in Government and it’s something they know “they need to do better on and we challenge ourselves every day to see how we can do it”.

He added:

“I know what the new figures are for the number of people who are homeless. I’m aware of the fact that we’re above 10,000. As against that, we have additional money going this year into our homeless hubs, homeless services and, next year, we’ll be spending the highest amount we ever have on housing.

“We are seeing more homes being built, we’ll deliver around 18,000 to 19,000 homes this year and I’ve made available a further €60million towards the end of this year to invest in services. It’s something that is a really solemn responsibility for us all on, to do better on and we’re working to do that.”

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50 thoughts on ““I’m Aware Of The Fact We’re Above 10,000”

  1. Eoin

    Eoghan Murphy jumps through every conceivable hoop possible to keep the homeless numbers in emergency accommodation below the magic 10,000 and then, the finance minister comes on the radio the very next day after the numbers are published to reflect on the “fact” the numbers are over 10,000.

    Of course, Murphy will say there’s no significance between 9,999 and 10,000 but his colleague Katherine Zappone said last month it is a “political issue” if the numbers go over 10,000.

  2. Ollie Cromwell

    A third of those homeless people are immigrants.
    And the Department of Housing are still refusing to say whether they have removed non-EU nationals from the list as they planned to do.
    Why not offer to pay for a flight back home if they can’t afford live here ? It would be a lot cheaper than housing them in temporary accomodation.

      1. ReproBertie

        It’s not true. Even the link he posted doesn’t say that but he can’t tell the difference between “33% of families entering homelessness are headed by a non-Irish national” and “A third of those homeless people are immigrants”.

        1. Ollie Cromwell

          Well unless there’s a lot of poor East Europeans arriving in Ireland and marrying poor Irish colleens and having lots of poor Irish children I think it’s fair to say that most families headed by a non-Irish national are likely to be non-Irish and therefore immigrants.
          Although in your pigeon brain anything is possible.

          1. ReproBertie

            33% of homeless families is not the same as 1/3 of homeless people. No wonder you get so bamboozled by Sasamach figures.

        2. qwerty123

          The headline of that article is – “A recent report by the Dublin Region Homeless Executive on families who entered homelessness in Dublin in 2016 and 2017 highlighted that 33% of families entering homelessness are headed by a non-Irish national. This compares unfavorably with 11.6% in the general population.”

          I mean this is startling, first I was aware of this. I believe focus Ireland is a legitimate organisation with no reason to lie. We are a small country and this is unsustainable. Racism has nothing to do with making the above conclusion.

          1. ReproBertie

            Nothing to do with racism. It’s simple maths. 33% of homeless families is not the same as 1/3 of homeless people.

            Even the pigeon brained can figure that out.

          2. Ollie Cromwell

            @qwerty123
            You’re probably unaware of it because the government chooses not to publicise the figure for fear of a reaction.
            Any debate on the subject is shutdown by the usual shouts of racism.
            Net migration to the year ending April 2018 was 34,000 – and almost all non-Irish.
            http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2018/
            This figure was almost double the previous year and is likely to be the same or more this year meaning that almost 90,000 non-Irish immigrants have arrived here within three years.
            That’s a city the size of somewhere between Galway and Cork of non-Irish migrants.
            Of course this is going to impact on homeless figures as well as health and education because the houses,hospitals and schools haven’t been built to cope with this massive increase.
            Unless and until the government,any government,gets to grips with this the seeds of discontent amongst the indigenous population are being sown.
            It’s also possibly why Ireland had appalling racism statistics out this week.

          3. ReproBertie

            “Unless and until the government,any government,gets to grips with this the seeds of discontent amongst the indigenous population are being sown.”
            By you and those like you.

          4. qwerty123

            Interesting, thanks Ollie, food for thought. Unless Ireland gets building (houses, schools and hospitals) we are screwed

          5. Ollie Cromwell

            Not at all.
            Public resentment to over-crowded services and infrastructure is spreading faster than Japanese Knotweed without any prompting from an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

          6. ReproBertie

            But while most see that as the fault of an underperforming government you, and people like you, are trying to steer that resentment towards the immigrant population.

          7. Ollie Cromwell

            You can’t avoid the elephant in the room.
            If demand outreaches supply you either build more supply or reduce the demand.

          8. ReproBertie

            Since the population is growing, the plan is to increase supply. Guess what we need to do that? Migrant workers.

            Which part of “build more supply or reduce the demand” covers scapegoating people to make them targets of hate?

          9. Ollie Cromwell

            So where do you house the migrant workers while they’re building houses for migrant workers ?

          10. Ollie Cromwell

            There’s no mask to slip Kemo sahbee .
            If you’re inferring I don’t like Johnny Foreigner you couldn’t be further from the truth.I have very good friends among the immigrant community.
            I just happen to think there should be controls over who comes in and the right numbers to suit the infrastructure available.
            My immigrant chums agree with me as well.
            Sozz to disappoint.

          11. ReproBertie

            I’m not inferring it. I’m straight out saying it and have been for as long as you’ve been laying the blame for things at immigrant’s feet and trying to stoke up fear about a tidal wave of immigrants that’s just around the corner.

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Why do you think the DOH won’t release figures of how many homeless are non-Irish ?
        Unless they have something to hide ?
        Why should Irish taxpayers pick up the bill for another country’s welfare system ?

        1. Nigel

          I’d prefer them to sort out the housing supply so these immigrants and asylum seekers can find a place to live where they can contribute to our recovering economy, thanks. Racism will achieve zero of that.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            It is not racist to question why immigrants,particularly non-EU nationals, are being allowed into the country when they don’t have the means to support themselves.
            It is the standard immigration policy of civilized countries all over the world.

          2. Nigel

            They’re being allowed in because we’re in the midst of a huge refugee crisis. A better question is why are arms manufacturers allowed to reap massive profits out of the conflicts driving the refugee crisis.

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            I’m not blaming the immigrants at all.
            Some of them are here for a better life,some are here to scrounge off Ireland’s very generous benefits system.
            But I am suggesting that allowing anyone in whatever their circumstances is ludicrous.
            Every euro spent on a homeless foreign national would be better spent on a homeless Irish person or more hospital beds or more classrooms and teachers in schools.

          4. Nigel

            You constantly single them out in order to.make scapegoats of them. We don’t allow anyone in whatever their circumstances. Your hatred of the Irish suggests a far-right anti-immigrant agenda rather than genuine concern for Irish people’s access to housing and health care

          5. ReproBertie

            “It is not racist to question why immigrants, particularly non-EU nationals, are being allowed into the country when they don’t have the means to support themselves.”
            There is nothing in Focus Ireland’s report to support the notion that they did not have the means to support themselves when they arrived. Circumstances change.

          6. Ollie Cromwell

            Circumstances seem to change far more for non-Irish immigrants than Irish people according to that report.
            Three time more likely in fact.
            Funny that …

          7. Cian

            Who says these “Non-Irish” are either asylum seekers or Non-EU?
            These “non-Irish” could as easily be from England.

          8. ReproBertie

            “Circumstances seem to change far more for non-Irish immigrants than Irish people according to that report.”

            Wrong again, funny that.

            The report specifically points out the lack of a support network for immigrant led families being a contributory factor to them making up such a large proportion.

        2. Fact Checker

          @Ollie Cromwell: “Why do you think the DOH won’t release figures of how many homeless are non-Irish ?”

          Because they probably don’t systematically collect the nationality of applicants.

          The CSO report on this. It’s not a big secret:

          “Among those that provided a nationality, a slightly higher proportion of the usually resident homeless population was found to be non-Irish (14.1 per cent or 849 people) compared with the entire population where the proportion was 11.6 per cent.”

          https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp5hpi/cp5hpi/nat/

          1. Cian

            Or, if we look further into the focus Ireland report (as in the first 4 paragraphs):
            So why are non-Irish families over-represented in the homeless population?

            Part of the answer is that they are not if you look at the structural causes of homelessness.

            The Focus Ireland insight into family homelessness series has shown that families are becoming homeless from the private rental market. Figures provided to Focus Ireland by the CSO show that migrant headed households account for 41.7% of those renting in the 4 Dublin local authority areas.

            The reasons that non-Irish nationals experience homelessness are broadly the same as those of Irish nationals; in short they are pushed out of the private rental market, and they do not have the resources to get themselves back into that market.

          2. Fact Checker

            It’s even less sociological than that. Homeless people tend to be younger. So do immigrants. So more likely you’ll find more immigrants in the homeless population.

            Both following quotes from the CSO per Census 2016:

            *Homeless demographics:* “The average age for [homeless] females was 26.8 years compared with the higher 33.2 years for [homeless] males. This contrasted with the general population where the average female age was 38.0 years compared with the lower average age of 36.7 years for males.”

            *Non-national demographics*: “Nearly half of all non-Irish nationals were aged between 25 and 42 compared with less than a quarter of Irish nationals. Persons aged 65 years or over accounted for less than 5 per cent of the non-Irish population in sharp contrast to the nearly 15 per cent for Irish nationals. In the younger age groups just 12.3 per cent of non-Irish nationals were aged 0 to 14 years compared with 22.5 per cent of Irish nationals.”

        3. pedeyw

          “Every euro spent on a homeless foreign national would be better spent on a homeless Irish person or more hospital beds or more classrooms and teachers in schools.” There’s the implicit blame. Implicit is the word.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            Don’t shoot the messenger before reading the message old sport.
            The Irish public is facing up to some uncomfortable truths that won’t go away.

    1. dav

      ah the old blame the homeless problem on the homeless, with some casual anti immigration racism thrown in.
      thanks Ollie for reminding us of the true basis for brexit..

  3. Col

    “we challenge ourselves every day to see how we can do it”
    Build houses.
    And create conditions that make housebuilding viable for developers.
    And create conditions that make it unviable to hoard land, leave sites undeveloped or leave houses empty.
    And refurbish empty council houses.
    There’s a few options.

  4. diddy

    Pascal is one of two creeps that need to lose their seats at the next GE. The other is Eoin Murphy. The latter is bring kept away from microphones as all his ” Hord work” is irritating culchies. and I don’t give a fiddlers that he’s posh, he was born that way, the wealth divide and poverty going around these days us truly shockin. the FF non posh boys wouldn’t have treated the non posh with such indignity

  5. Catherine costelloe

    700 foreign killers were found living in UK 2015-17 , 741 with rape convictions, 362 with child sex criminal records, mainly eastern European criminals. True figures could be much higher as these figures only came to light when checks were made by police after committing new crimes in the UK. Good policing means keeping tabs on active criminals and surely open borders is seriously detrimental to countries safety. Shouldn’t garda be aware of suspects history before he / she steps on Irish soil? And be given place of abode in order to keep tabs?

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