Meanwhile, In Roscommon

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Vehicles on fire at the home of the McGann family in Falsk, Strokestown, Co Roscommon

Shannonside reports:

Local reports in the north Roscommon area this morning suggest that a man has been arrested as part of a Garda investigation into alleged incidents at Falsk in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Gardai in Roscommon are continuing investigations into alleged incidents in Strokestown in recent days.

The Garda Press Office has confirmed to Shannonside FM that an operation is currently ongoing in the county and they will be issuing an update on events later today.

REPORT: Garda operation underway following alleged incidents in Strokestown (Shannonside)

Two men arrested in connection with Roscommon incident (RTÉ)

Update:

Two men have been arrested in connection with an attack at a farmhouse in Falsk, Co Roscommon, at the weekend.

The men, aged in their 50s and 60s, were arrested this morning after a number of planned searches were carried out by gardaí across Co Roscommon.

It is understood the men were detained in the north of the county before 11am.

Earlier: ‘The Violent, Forced Eviction From Our Home Has Left Our Family Shocked’

72 thoughts on “Meanwhile, In Roscommon

  1. Starina

    I hope it was the off-duty guard who got arrested. Regardless of my opinion on the evictions and retaliations, off-duty Gardai have *got* to stop dong enforcement for mates.

  2. Mickey Twopints

    I get the feeling that the comments under this particular item aren’t going the way Bodger may have been expecting.

  3. Eoin

    Most people will condemn violence, fair enough. But there are gradations in violence. Bombing a school bus in Yemen killing kids is worse than the aggressive shoving outside the chipper on a Saturday night.

    The violence at the eviction last Tuesday when, as I understand it, 10-20 people turned up to evict the occupants in their 50s and 60s. I saw one man bloodied and there are reports he had teeth broken.

    In my mind, that violence last Tuesday was worse than eight security guards who were presumably expecting trouble and presumably look after themselves getting a hiding on Sunday morning.

    I don’t think I’m alone here. And while all violence is to be condemned, it’s the government’s fault for not legislating to prevent the scenes last Tuesday.

    1. Cian

      Seriously? You think 20-odd balaclava-clad lads with baseball bats, arriving in the middle of the night, with the explicit intention of damaging the security men. Who then burned out 4? cars, and caused the death of a dog, and put 3 guys in hospital is less violent than 10 security men, on foot of a court order, scheduling an appointment, bringing the Guards to oversee, asking the occupiers to leave, and then (legally) removing them with the minimum force. The occupiers resisted, and one got scuffed knees. The occupiers, who, at any stage, could have prevented any further ‘violence’ by complying with the law and leaving.

      My mind is blown.

      1. Johnny

        KBC bank has a responsibility to behave as a good corporate citizen,they abdicated that by hiring unlicensed foreign mercenaries and should have their banking lic suspended.
        Non payment of debt is NOT a criminal offense,hiring and paying foreign soldiers of fortune and unleasing then on elderly people is at the very least,criminally negligent.

          1. Neilo

            @Col: by that metric, I’m elderly. Suck it, Pepper, if you think I’m paying another sou on the mortgage I willingly entered into. Where’s my gang of dissident, dog killing heavies?

        1. Cian

          Johnny I completely agree.
          The afternoon fracas was, at most[1], criminally negligent.
          The overnight attack was attempted murder.

          attempted murder > negligence

          [1] And I personally don’t even think it was criminal.

          1. johnny

            It’s been pointed out a few times that you appear a little unversed in Irish history, the fact that KBC and the brit servicer are also ignorant is no excuse.

            The response to a few missed payments by clearly financially illiterate elderly people, was excessive and in my opinion criminal,the least the bank could do is issue an apology to these Irish people and the people of Ireland for this horrific incidents.

            Haven’t really followed the various stories/lies about what happened after-apparently it was the PLO/IRA/INLA/Sinn Fein/Red Brigade/Baader-Meinhof Gang/Dissidents/FARC-so can’t comment as the reporting is totally unreliable.

            As an aside I was chatting with a few people in Dublin,far removed from this type thing,they all were in agreement that the paid brit thugs/goons had it coming-not sure that helps but that was the sentiment.

          2. Cian

            “The response to a few missed payments by clearly financially illiterate elderly people, was excessive”[1]

            There have been various reports saying the KBC has been in the courts for nine years trying to get paid. That is a smidgeon more than ‘a few missed payments’.

            [1] Anecdote alert. you have no verifiable evidence for this.

          3. johnny

            You still believe what this bank says…….

            Oh they only underestimated this scam by like 2,000 simple mistake !

            “KBC reiterates its full acknowledgement of the errors that occurred in relation to the rate administration of the Bank’s tracker mortgages in the past. These mistakes should not have happened and we acknowledge that they have caused significant detriment to some of the Bank’s customers. We sincerely apologise for this once again.

            In our October statement KBC had anticipated that an additional 200-600 accounts would be identified as impacted.

            The Bank is now confirming that this number has increased and as a result of further review, a group of c. 2,557 mortgage accounts are now identified as impacted for a variety of reasons. These accounts will be moved back to a tracker rate, if the account is still open, and they will receive redress and compensation:”

            https://www.kbc.ie/news-and-press/latest-news-and-press-releases/update-from-kbc-bank-ireland-regarding-the-tracker

          4. rotide

            Are they like the mistakes you make when you claim to be living in 20 different states at the same time J Dawg?

          5. Owen C

            “The response to a few missed payments by clearly financially illiterate elderly people”

            They’ve been missing payments since at least 2009. So i make it more like 96 missed payments. They are not elderly. They are not financially illiterate given the multiple lending relationships they have with various lenders as reported by the media citing registered judgements against them. Other thna that you’re bang on point though. But while we are here, can you cite ANY evidence, at all, even a crumb, which suggests they have missed “a few” payments or are “clearly illiterate”?

          6. Johnny

            Sub-prime loans were predatory,lenders like KBC preyed on financially illiterate people who had been bombarded by the IT/Indo with property porn,made feel like losers by society if they were not on the property ladder.Bank analysts and a ‘esteemed’ prof at Trinity were cheerleaders for these ba*tards,it was all a scam to rip off poor people.

            Are you suggesting that this not a sleazy KBC sub prime loan which accounted for less than 3% of the market,but 1 in 4 foreclosures and a disproportionate amount of defaults,creating tremendous pain and suffering,mental torment for many naïve or financially illiterate borrowers,who were often lied to or misled when taking them out?

          7. Cian

            @Johnny,

            If *you* are claiming that these are “Sub-prime loans” then *you* need to provide evidence.

          8. Owen C

            “made feel like losers by society if they were not on the property ladder”

            The house was in the family for three generations. They took out the loan when they were in the 40s. There is no suggestion it was sub prime (which also contradicts your claim they had only missed a “few payments”). But, again, go on with the evidence free claims…

          9. Johnny

            Dear Slim/Johnny, you still ain’t called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
            I ain’t mad, I just think it’s fu**ed up you don’t answer fans
            If you didn’t wanna talk to me outside your concert
            You didn’t have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
            That’s my little brother man, he’s only six years old
            We waited in the blistering cold for you

            Give it a rest Cian,take a walk,volunteer or something,this has become an obsession,it’s relentless.

          10. Johnny

            On many levels it must be quite disappointing to end up as a lowly bank analyst,with only one bank in Ireland to cover,bit like a eunuch in a brothel just watching and watching…..
            Cheerleading subprime from the sidelines,with a dopey prof from trinners.

          11. Owen C

            Well done with the ad hominen stuff. Again. What is it with you and facts? Why do you struggle with them so much, even when making your ad hominen remarks? What is it that you are overcompensating so much for? A failed career now spent whinging unendlessly about Digicel or whatever. It’s not a fate I would wish on many people.

        2. ollie

          Johny

          unlicensed foreign mercenaries? Sez you.
          FYI, people living in NI are classed as Irish

          Non payment of debt is NOT a criminal offense
          No one said that the debtor broke any laws, however non payment of €300,000 for 8 years did and should result in eviction.

          elderly people?

      2. rotide

        Can’t agree more with you Cian.

        I’ve been astonished all week at the reaction to this and cannot understand how tf civilised society can become cheerleaders for vigilante lynch mobs so suddenly

  4. Tom

    How can you support this.

    Over 300000 owed to KBC.
    Over 400000 owed to Revenue.
    16000 owned to local quarry.
    Thousands owed to car company.

    KBC lodged proceedings in 2009.
    Posession order awarded in 2013.
    Renewal of Posession order renewed in June 2017.
    McCann who was represented swore affidavit July 2017.
    Possession order issued August 2017.
    County sherif visited in September 2018 advising they have to leave property.
    Visited again on December 9th advising possession would be made on 11th.
    Court advised Bank that possession to take place at 1pm on 11th December.
    Papers were served by agent of sheriff.

      1. Scundered

        So far there’s no evidence that they’re loyalists, you’re letting fear and a large amount of paranoia get the better of you. Stirring that pot may increase violence, is that your goal?

    1. Freddie

      It’s very simple.
      1. Some of the people forced to leave the house during the repossession were over 50 years of age therefore the repossession should have been halted.
      2. Some of the people working for the security firm, although working completely within the confines of the law, were from a jurisdiction that we don’t like therefore the repossession should have been halted.
      3. People should always be allowed stay in houses irrespective of whether or not it’s their house and if they decide to illegally stay then no one is allowed force them to leave.

      1. Pavel

        I have a mortgage with KBC. Can I stop paying now and stay in my house and never be forced to leave? Just so I know where I stand, thanks.

      2. Col

        3. People should always be allowed stay in houses irrespective of whether or not it’s their house

        What time do you go to work at? If I break in to your home, should I be allowed stay there forever?

    2. Roscommunist

      €400,000 was paid to Revenue on the back of an audit – not owed.

      And there wouldn’t be too much sympathy around here for the poor unfortunate quarry left with an outstanding debt.

  5. ollie

    But but but but Loyalist thugs!
    Should have been evicted 8 years ago. Over €80k owed in mortgage Interest alone which has to be padi by those of us who are law abiding.

    1. Starina

      It’s “paid by us” because the government keeps punishing small personal debts and writing off the huge banking ones.

      1. Tom

        I’ve just negotiated a 5 year fixed rate of 1.7%. Simile rate from AIB is 3.3%.

        So that’s an extra €300 in my pocket every month because I thankfully live in a country where people pay their debts.
        I can only laugh at you suckers.

          1. Neilo

            @Pat: There are two kinds of people that can be slandered without consequence on Broadsheet. Stubborn, ornery sorts who feel the lands they live in are God-given and who often find themselves surrounded by enemies who would drive them into the sea.

        1. postmanpat

          but what if you keep repeating the lie that it IS a small personal dept, over and over again? wont repeating a lie often enough drown out the good information long enough to gain sympathy from enough soft people who believe everything liars say ? Its a good tactic for unscrupulous people. lie lie lie and lie again then you get enough UI’s to do the lying for you, except the UI’s believe they are telling the truth, so it sounds even better!! . Then you can sit back and relax, in a house you paid zip for, & count all that cash you claim not to have. The thing people have to remember is, to know someone , never listen to what they say ,just watch what they do.

  6. max

    The sad thing about this is that if the government ever do get around legislating this sector, this case will be hauled up as the perfect example of why identities of agents need to be kept secret.

    1. Owen C

      “Nice side you’ve picked B.”

      …again. Have they not learnt from the Gemma O’D debacle? The correlation between facebook-anti-corruption-anti-bank type ranters with far right viewpoints on migration and race is rapidly approaching 1:1.

  7. ollie

    If only a debtor was contacted in advance by the Sheriff’s offic e and the course of action to be taken was explained. If only the bank gave a debtor some breathing space to work out their issues.

    This timeline doesn;t even allow for the poor man to pack a change of underwear:

    KBC lodged proceedings in 2009.
    Posession order awarded in 2013.
    Renewal of Posession order renewed in June 2017.
    McCann who was represented swore affidavit July 2017.
    Possession order issued August 2017.
    County sherif visited in September 2018 advising they have to leave property.
    Visited again on December 9th advising possession would be made on 11th.
    Court advised Bank that possession to take place at 1pm on 11th December.
    Papers were served by agent of sheriff.

    I have zero sympathy for someone who thinks they are above the law.

    Mr Anthony McGann also owes ACC Asset Finance nearly 40K. They have staff topay who have families to feed. He also owes Hanly Brothers 18k. I’m sure they have mortgages to pay and families to feed as well but so what?

  8. max

    This kinda of reminds me of that pour elderly Killiney couple who had their house repossessed leaving them with only 67 other properties.

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