44 thoughts on “De Thursday Papers

      1. martco

        thinking that @newsjustin will ever give it over is a mistake

        from his pov he’s fighting a war that’s nowhere near over…just an ebb & flow of battles on an infinite timeline

        1. newsjustin

          Well yes. The battle for the most basic human right….the right to life…will go on until people don’t seek to take human life. Unfortunately, that’ll probably be never.

          And I know not everyone sees it that way, so I’d ask – if the result of the referendum went the other way, would you expect pro-choice people to leave the stage, never to return?

          1. scottser

            the referendum would never have been run unless there was an overwhelming expectation that it would pass. but to answer your hypothetical question with another – now that you have absolute proof that your opinion is redundant and offensive, will you still insist on offering it?

          2. newsjustin

            Scottser, just because a view isn’t held by a majority doesn’t mean it is redundant and/or offensive. That’s just silly.

          3. Listrade

            I think it’s fair to say that I’ve disagreed with NJ on this issue on a few occasions, but I don’t think it fair to say that he can’t or shouldn’t give his opinion on the issue. This wasn’t an administrative referendum to change a few rules in Europe and the result was never going to change someone’s mind on whether or not they agree with abortion.

            It’s something he believes passionately about, something I happen to disagree with him on, but I would never expect him to stop expressing that belief just because of the result.

            There’s going to be scrutiny of the system and the process for abortion. If the scrutiny is incorrect, then debate it. Don’t just tell him to shut up. If the scrutiny is right, then it is something we have to take on board.

          4. Nigel

            I have to say the response should not be to tell people like NJ to shut up, it should be to remember the hard-earned lesson that there is no progressive measure or acheivement that was gained through democratic means that can’t be clawed back by reactionary forces also through democratic means. The price of democracy is eternal vigilance or some such.

          5. newsjustin

            Thanks Listrade.

            We can start by calling out nonsense, made up phrases like Emergency Medical Abortion (EMA) as used by Dr Thompson in the Examiner piece. Or rather, the incorrect use of a reasonable phrase. There may well be occasions when an emergency abortion is necessary, or emergency treatment that results in an unintended abortion. As we all know, any abortion to save the life of a mother was entirely legal before the referendum. But to describe any and all medical abortions carried out via consultation with ones GP as Emergency Medical Abortions (EMA) is just a nonsense. The vast majority, perhaps all of these are elective procedures. And they are not emergencies.

            Emergency abortions do take place, and always have. But they are far more likely to be surgical interventions.

          6. deluded

            Right.
            There actually are EMAs.
            There are also elective surgeries.
            I, for one, never want to see a repeat of cases like Sheila Hodgers (1983).
            (During the recent discussions I also learned about the rate of miscarriage, which is surprisingly high, 10-20%, versus abortion rates of 1-2%).
            That you object on principle is fair enough, but that should be the argument, not makey-uppy whining about medical terms.

  1. GiggidyGoo

    Enda Kenny – first business role. The payoffs begin.

    Gone in with luminaries such as

    PwC
    Goldman Sachs
    KPMG
    and a rake of ‘investment’ companies.

    1. eoin

      It says “first business role”, but his wallet has probably already benefitted from his role on the Ireland China group.

  2. eoin

    Enda Kenny is a chairman at Irish investment fund, VentureWave Capital.

    Kieran McLoughlin, the former CEO of the Ireland Funds (who resigned last year amid an embezzlement scandal* where a convicted fraudster was appointed a director and is now accused of embezzling up to $1 million) is to be CEO of the investment fund.

    Who will be bankrolling Enda’s new venture? Who knows, but I bet Ireland’s renewable energy lobby will be queuing up.

    * “the Dallas incident did occur on my watch. As chief executive, I have to take responsibility for that. Leadership has consequences and this crystallised my decision to leave.”

    http://venturewave.ie/about-us/

  3. GiggidyGoo

    So, with a long extension now almost decided, what excuse has FF now not to pull the plug on FG?

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Now that you e blown out the cobwebs, do you have an actual view on the FF buckos propping up the FG boys?

        1. ReproBertie

          There are deadlines throughout the extension so they have all the excuses they need to leave us with a government stuck in neutral.

    1. martco

      with a bit of luck they’ll finally get over themselves & consummate their Fianna Gael or Fine Fail marriage (maybe they’ll have a child called ToryGael?) & we’ll get a clearer landscape

  4. eoin

    Where’s the quid pro quo for the EU granting the UK a 6.5 month extension? Probably in the same place as the quid pro quo for the extension from 29 March to 12 April. The EU blinked and Brexit will be sucking up all our oxygen for the next six months.

      1. ReproBertie

        Probably the same one where Ireland gets thrown under the bus as the EU comes up with a midnight fudge for March 29th.

  5. eoin

    Nine articles in the Times Ireland today about yesterday’s FAI hearing. Lots of sturm und drang, but when the smoke of yesterday’s encounter clears, the FAI remains a business generating €50m a year, with just 10% of that coming from the government and the bits that do come from the govt are hypothecated against specific projects, so, no govt grants, no community support from the FAI. Or, in other words, withholding govt funding hurts noone except the community, the FAI will get on with the remaining 90% of its business.

    The FAI board must be peeing itself and bottom line, it’s another organisation that is beyond the realm of national governments. Kinda like the Swiss-based European Broadcasting Union.

    1. eoin

      Someone should find out what dealings Michael Healy-Rae and (senator) Mark Daly have had with the FAI over tickets? Maybe, it’s none, but it’s hard to believe their fawning towards the delegation yesterday was accidental. Thing is, politicians think, if they use their contact at the FAI and pay the face value of a ticket, say €903 for a ticket to a world cup final, then they don’t need declare the transaction on the register of interests at the Oireachtas, even if the ticket us worth up to €90,000 on the secondary market.

      1. Cian

        “ticket us[sic] worth up to €90,000 on the secondary market.”
        source?

        And just because a ticket may be worth more on the secondary market that doesn’t make it so – if you don’t sell it and attend yourself then the value of the ticket is what you paid for it.

        1. eoin

          You’ll find the value of world cup 2018 tickets in the secondary market, available readily enough online.

          The par value of a Facebook share is $38. If FB provided you with a share, would you value it at $38, or would you value it at the market value of $180? If confused, ask Vanessa.

          1. Cian

            mmm. I looked (not very hard) and all I could see was along the lines of “A VIP box at the final in Moscow is being offered for £86,905”.
            “offered” So someone was *trying* to sell a box for 11 times it’s face value. That is a long, long way from €903 ticket selling for €90,000.

            So again, can you provide any evidence for your fantastic claim?

            As to your comparison to a Facebook share? There is a difference between a ticket to a one-off event and a share in a public company. These are not comparable. On 16th July the world cup ticket was worthless.

    1. eoin

      The way he does his waddle at the start of the video and the two women totally blank him….. no wonder he was out of sorts, do they not know who he is or what?

      1. martco

        Dublin scobie on tour

        all’s missing from this is hands down the front of the tracky bottoms & it all taking place somewhere on O’Connell St.

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