48 thoughts on “De Monday Papers

  1. GiggidyGoo

    University drop out Harris treading on very thin ice as regards forcing injections. Measles is what’s being out forward as the reason, but you can be sure what is in FGs minds is making it legal to inject for anything. Assault basically.

    1. eoin

      But at least Harris is not proceeding with his idea to cut childrens allowance for parents who don’t vaccinate.

      The Times Ireland today reports “Mr Harris said he is still “grappling” with how to proceed but noted that 11 EU countries have mandatory vaccination schemes, including Croatia, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Poland and Slovakia”

      Would these countries be regarded as amongst the most progressive in the EU?

      1. GiggidyGoo

        And there are 17 EU countries that haven’t. Some of those are considering it
        Italy’s one is for 10 diseases and for pre-schools and crèches.
        There are approx 10 diseases that those 11 have compulsory vaccinations for at least one disease.
        What we have to watch out for here is not those 10 diseases – it’s the other sneaky things that would be inserted into the legislation.

      2. Rob_G

        Cutting children’s allowance for parents of kids who don’t vaccinate is a great idea, tbh – the parents aren’t looking after their kids properly, the stipend that they receive to this end should be reduced accordingly.

        1. Cian

          Rob_G – how would you feel if your job made the (annual) Flu vaccination mandatory? And if you didn’t take it they would dock your wages by 10%.

          everyone else is free to answer too.

          1. Rob_G

            Well, if it was my job, I might have second thoughts about it, as they are a private company.

            If it was the state, I would shrug, and get on with it. Same way as I have to wear a seatbelt in a car, or can’t go burning rubbish in my back garden willy-nilly.

          2. Rob_G

            just an addendum – if I worked in a nursing home or a hospital or some other place with people whose immune systems were more likely to be compromised, I would certainly agree to a programme of mandatory immunisation for staff members.

      3. Nigel

        If measles outbreaks become more of a thing vaccinations will become mandatory all across Europe as an emergency health measure. Cutting CA is dumb, that sort of puniehment will always ultimately fall on the kids.

        1. Rob_G

          What other sanctions would there be as easy to implement? CA is received by all parents in the state, so it makes sense that it would be the payment to sanction.

          Cutting CA is dumb, that sort of puniehment will always ultimately fall on the kids.
          – not as heavily as a lethal case of measles…

          1. Nigel

            It would depend on how much of a problem non-compliance was. if only a small percentage refused, then direct interventions by social workers would be more feasible, especially if it was down to negligence. A battle with anti-vaxxers would be a whole other thing. From a public health perspective, getting the percentage of un-vaccinated down to the point where herd immunity kicks in and keeping it there would be the main aim, not to punish the non-compliant.

          2. Rob_G

            And if the social workers intervene and the parents refuse to engage – what then? What would be next logical step to ensure compliance?

          3. Nigel

            A Guard with a court order, a social worker and a medical professional with the vaccine turning up on the doorstep would be consistent with how the state deals with that kind of negligence.

          4. Rob_G

            I mean, I agree, that would be effective.

            Two points:

            (i) it would be very expensive (especially if the parents refused to open the door or pretended they weren’t in, and it required multiple attempts).

            (ii) from a civil liberties perspective, many more people would have a problem with agents of the state turning up and forcibly injecting a child, than they would with garnishing a social welfare payment.

          5. ReproBertie

            The vaccine did not cause the disease and the Ukraine had a high level of take up (97%) until anti vaxxers spread their nonsense.

            “In the past decade, vaccine refusal has also played a big role in Ukraine. In 2008, a day after receiving the measles vaccine, a 17-year-old died—from an unrelated cause, according to WHO and the United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF). His death led to a huge loss of confidence among parents: Vaccination rates plunged from 97% of 1-year-olds in 2007 to 56% in 2010. Coverage then slowly improved, reaching 79% in 2012 and 2013.

            But in 2014, then-President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted after violent protests, Russia annexed Crimea, and armed conflict broke out in eastern Ukraine. Paralyzed, the government failed to order measles vaccine until late 2015. Because of shortages, in 2016, Ukraine vaccinated only 42% of its infants. And that year, just 31% of 6-year-olds received the recommended second measles shot—one of the lowest rates in the world.”


          6. ReproBertie

            Ah it’s Zuppy. That explains the high levels of nonsense.

            The only lies here are your claims about Ukraine and Japan. Any comment to make on them being exposed?

          7. Rob_G

            Ah jaysus, Zuppy, how have you been? Have the NWO not come for you yet in their black helicopters?

          8. rotide

            I’m always kind of fascinated about these lads and the never ending stream of links to insane blogs.

            Like, do they go off and find them when SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS WRONG or do they have them bookmarked, ready to shine the bright light of TRUTH on people?

          9. millie st murderlark

            Don’t fall down the rabbithole. It’s hilarious and utterly mad but you’d lose great swathes of time and for what?

          10. Nigel

            Rob – but this would be more or less in line with how other situations involving potential child neglect and legal obligations would be dealt with, if it should come to that. If they’re anti-vaxxers rather than just deadbeats then docking a few quid off CA wouldn’t work. That could get very ugly. Hopefully it won’t come to that.

      4. rotide

        “Would these countries be regarded as amongst the most progressive in the EU?”

        They are when people are trying to prove a point that those countries provide.

    2. rotide

      I see so its a case of : “if you let them prevent easily prevetible diseases and give people a better quality of life, next thing you know they’ll be injecting you with mind control drugs”

        1. ReproBertie

          Do you want your microchipped children conscription to a European Army?
          Vote No to Lisbon!

          1. rotide

            Microchipped children sounds like a fantastic idea.

            Like, Can i buzz the chip to make them clean their room?

          2. ReproBertie

            No david, having a mobile phone is not the same as a microchipping a person and we do not have conscription, no matter what half baked, poorly informed lunacy you’ve read about PESCO.

  2. Observer

    Has Leo Varadkar any press advisor or advisor in general? Does he really think it’s wise to be answering Barry Egan’s calls telling him which restaurant he and the boyfriend are eating in every week? Apart from the Who Gives A XXXX! What about the homeless and people experiencing austerity bla bla bla. From the optics point of view it really doesn’t look good or read good. By all means go out to restaurants but we really don’t need to know you’re in them or which ones you’re in or what you’re eating. Seriously, we don’t. And if FG had any cop on they’d know that. The fact they don’t seem to appreciate the bad taste means they really are far removed from those in society who are marginalized. It’s not good manners to flaunt or to boast and every politician should know that.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      It’s the FG mentality. You have an ex FG minister who was declared bankrupt hosting radio and tv shows, who constantly informs us of his betting trips to the horsie meetings here and in the UK. Can well afford it of course as we are paying him a ministerial pension to bet with.
      No shame these boyos.

  3. SOQ

    Same-sex marriage vote could ‘break logjam’ in North – Micheál Martin

    Well that is very nice of Mr Martin, especially given that fact that FF was the least enthusiastic of the main parties when it was held in the south. Canvassing for that referendum was very painful for some people and that would be nothing compared to some of the reactions they would get in certain parts of the north. Why should it be up to LGBT to sort this mess out?

    A referendum is not needed in the north- just politicians doing their bloody job.


    1. Rob_G

      Much as I am in favour of seeing SSM introduced in the North, it certainly does seem a strange issue to pick to encourage a ‘coming together’ of the two sides…

      1. SOQ

        Same thing happened in Australia where it went to a vote just because the right wingers wanted to make it as difficult as possible. There was no real reason for it.

    1. Rob_G

      “The huge sum went on jetting him and two staff on international and internal flights to Argentina, Chile, Japan and South Korea.

      So, three people flying to four countries (plus additional internal flights) in two different continents – tbh doesn’t seem like the worst of public spending excesses

  4. eoin

    Nightly petrol bombings in Drogheda – five in just over 48 hours; gun attacks in broad daylight – one last week and another in a shopping centre in February; even loss-making RTE has a 141-D van permanently parked outside the Drogheda garda station in anticipation of the next attack. Two organised crime groups running riot throughout the town. Teens slinging drugs on the main shopping street with impunity. Dribbling addicts slumped in a heap across the town. And certain well known “beauty” businesses no more than money laundering fronts.

    Drogheda, Ireland’s Juarez, just 20 miles from Dublin.

  5. Ron

    I see the political tooty-pumpkins are set to ignore the advice that the 3billion euro broadband plan is not value for money and they will proceed.

    Sure why wouldnt he. the Voter will probably reward them with a vote.

      1. Ron

        saying i repeat myself doesn’t make you not a Irish Voter. it just further confirms you as a Irish voter but you don’t even understand that.

        Any more of the ‘thick Irish’ stuff and I’m banned again. Hooray for me!

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