87 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

  1. Spaghetti Hoop

    I have to say I like Cambell Claret, then and now. The spinning he did for war-mongerer Blair was very clever. His current journey combatting depression so publicly is brave. Being a Scot, the one thing he doesn’t do on RTE radio interviews is refer to Ireland as ‘we’, or ‘here’ like other British politicians do on Irish media.

    1. Andrew

      Campbell is a narcissistic, phoney lightweight. Utterly contemptible character. No wonder they love him on Irish media and he loves them. He doesn’t ever get asked any hard questions here and he knows the interviewer here hasn’t a clue.

    1. deluded

      I think the difference is in investigating, reporting and then dealing with the issues, as opposed to, for example, lying and covering up the abuse, abandonment or selling of children while using spin doctors to “control the narrative” for decades.
      Still though, I would have thought the irony alone would have made it an attractive story which suggests either no-one cares or billionaire newspaper owners would rather you didn’t think about it at all.

    2. MaryLou's ArmaLite

      Amnesty is far too concerned with virtue signalling and funding to worry about people.

    3. eoin

      Next time that chugger stops you on O’Connell Street seeking a direct debit, remember, you’re not just paying the chugging company what the Mail claimed was around €400 per direct debit sign-up, but you are now funding what the London Times yesterday said are “generous” redundancies of senior management at Amnesty who are responsible for a “toxic” workplace environment.

    4. f_lawless

      AI’s track record has long exposed them as a soft power tool of the Western globalist cabal, used to sway public opinion when needed. Having to bend the will of the honest people working there would lead to a toxic, bullying work culture, I would imagine

      1. bisted

        …oh, Amnesty International…phew…for a minute there I thought you meant the local franchise…

      1. martco


        most of the time I’m left wondering if that’s really her putting out all that stuff, whatever your beliefs its so much child-like nonsense (that nonsense of course only really has any possibility of infecting someone who spends their day & night with a social media device attached to their hand & are very very easily led)

        I found that time tracking aspect very interesting, I too am surprised there isn’t “an app for that” to negate the bellingcat-esque work involved to correlate the info, would seem like such an important tool to exist.

        one aspect I don’t see getting much of a look at though regarding the mystery is MON€Y
        like, how much would it cost to run very unsuccessful 1) a presidential campaign 2) EU campaign and just spend your days putting out guff on chitter & friendface?

        like everyone else there’s bills to pay & it doesn’t grow on trees

        does she come from serious money? or does this whole show here pay the bills? is Gemma simply a well paid actress?

    1. Janet, I ate my avatar but I'm trying to stop

      very thoughtful, I wonder has grief unhinged her

      1. martco

        well I would prefer to think that’s why
        you’re 100% correct about grief over the loss of someone close, it can definitely interfere with how we process life

    2. Janet, I ate my avatar but I'm trying to stop

      ok interesting read then, odd that my comment got moderated it was meant with sympathy,
      grief can do funny things to people

    3. Owen C

      Its interesting that this suggests radicalization rather than some sort of mental illness, as the issue. I think we only see radicalization as happening to Muslim terrorists, where as it could be happening in slightly more benign circumstances with many different concerning political ideologies.

    4. millie st murderlark

      Great link Rotide.

      Very informative but paints a very sad picture of Gemma, no matter how you read it.

    5. Lilly

      There’s alt right and there’s basic decency. Gemma O’D is hugely irresponsible at best. I came across this Tweet of hers recently that contains a clear implication of wrongdoing on the part of a deceased solicitor.

      It subsequently transpired that the man’s wife – also a solicitor – was struck off for jiggerypokery but he was not implicated in any way. If this is Gemma’s idea of journalism, she needs to cop on.


    6. Spaghetti Hoop

      Sounds like Danny ‘supportive of women’ Boy already has pre-conceived notions of O’Doherty and just wants a lab-rat to study.

  2. GiggidyGoo

    Whaaaaaat? Two FFers dumped off their pedestals by Mick Wallace and Clare Daly.
    There’s hope for this country still.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        I believe that Clare Daly topped the poll in the end.
        Clare Daly 24.12%
        Fitz 21.59%
        Cuffe 20.07%
        Andrew’s 19.95%

        1. Cian

          I’m not sure if you don’t understand how voting works, or if you are taking the piss.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Are my figures incorrect then Cian? When the four candidates total votes are counted?

          2. Cian

            Yes. You aren’t comparing like with like.
            On count 14 there were 22,443 potential transfers shared between the last 5 candidates. Frances got 6,134 (27%)
            On Count 15 there were 35,510 potential transfers shared between the last 3 candidates. Neither Frances (nor Ciaran) were eligible to claim any of these.
            On Count 16 there were 51,632 potential transfers shared between the last 2 candidates. Neither Frances (nor Ciaran) were eligible to claim any of these.

            Clare’s final tally included 86,000 more potential votes because Frances (and Ciaran) stopped getting more once they hit their quota.

        2. SB

          Glad of that, but to be fair, she only topped the poll because she had transfers included in that figure, whereas Cuffe (and Firzgerald, to a lesser extent) didn’t.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Transfers are votes too. FitzGerald got more number 1’s. and was in before Daly. But in overall votes Daly overtook FitzGerald.

          2. Owen C

            Aren’t part of Daly’s votes some of Fitz’s (and Cuffe’s) surpluses? So there’s a double count involved (even before the whole transfer issue which sees Daly get transfers that would otherwise have gone to Cuffe and Fitz, as well as non-transferable ones which would have gone to Cuffe and Fitz but ended up going to no one). This is why the Daly “total votes” is meaningless for comparable purposes.

        3. Vanessa the Holy Face of Frilly Keane

          Hi Gigs

          The only total poll figs there that are 100% representative of the Total Valid Votes cast are Clare Daly’s and Barry Andrews’

          As they got full advantage of surpluses and transfer distributions

          Whereas Cuffe and Francie didn’t

          The Count Centre stops allocating votes for candidates that have already been deemed elected, even if they have collected even more transfers as the counting continues

          That’s why you see a different number distributed that what is available to distribute

          On a side note
          Seriously now
          Has anyone ever seen transfer levels like Mick is getting down there is South
          Incredible stuff


      2. ReproBertie

        Ciaran Cuffe received the most number 1s and was first elected in Dublin so how did Fitzgerald top the poll?

    1. Stan

      I do wonder how effective Clare and Mick think they will be in Strasbourg? Both will be a loss to the Dail

      1. Brother Barnabas

        both will be a massive loss

        I’d bet too that both would have pulled a lot higher if hadn’t been for fact that a lot of their supporters didn’t vote for them precisely because they don’t want to lose them from domestic politics

      2. millie st murderlark

        +1 Stan.

        They are two of our strongest politicians. Here’s hoping they bring their brand of politics to the EU.

  3. eoin

    According to Barry Roche for the Irish Times at the Ian Bailey “trial” in Paris

    “there was an awkward moment when it emerged that the court was told that two of the listed witnesses, Martin Graham and Patrick Lowney were now deceased.”

    The French trial of Ian Bailey in absentia is a bit of a circus. Seems to be a lot of hearsay, speculation and iffy deduction presented as evidence. It’s not clear if there will be any Irish witnesses in person, with news yesterday that two planned appearances won’t now happen because the witnesses are now deceased.

    God rest Sophie, and fair dues to her family for not letting the killing lie, but I don’t think they’ll be seeing justice from this farce.

  4. GiggidyGoo

    Saoirse McHugh has carved out a future for herself in politics I think. But not as a Green Party member. She has firmly said that (if she was elected) she would resign from the GP if they went into Government with FFG.
    I’m sure she’s happy to know that Ryan considers her to be an article to place bets on too.

    The Green Ripple was far short of being a Wave. Another media makey-uppy label.

    1. ReproBertie

      With 49 council seats (up from 12), 1 MEP and a real possibility of a second the greens did very well out of these elections. It’s hardly their fault that the media hype machine went into overdrive based on a flawed exit poll.

  5. eoin

    The evisceration of Irish business journalism is laid bare with Mediahuis publishing key documents in its *proposed* takeover of INM. Nobody has bothered to report them.


    INM appears to be indemnifying Mediahuis in its takeover bid to the tune of €1.5m fees. The takeover appears to be funded by ING bank. Given INM is sitting on €80m cash and making €25m profit, the €146m price looks paltry. You’ll see Dermot Desmond and Denis O’Brien signing over 26% of INM’s shares for 10.5c.

    What are the shares worth? Were it not for the corporate watchdog and data protection issues at INM, probably €300m+.

    1. Cú Chulainn

      Fairly clear what’s happening here.. follow the money.. who benefits.. old dogs, old tricks..

    2. Vanessa the Holy Face of Frilly Keane

      ‘can’t agree with you on the 300 bar + there for INM

      80m cash
      Sounds lovely n’all

      But that’s not going to go far settling out the data hacks and whathaveyas
      In a reducing market place
      Falling income
      And a weaker by the week product

      Only for Leo and his Spin advertising purchases and promises and content
      Maria Bailey being the best example
      Jaysus knows what would be up for sale

      The mast heads are worth a few bob
      And plant etc likewise
      And that Cash

      Nothing else is worth buying
      For those liabilities, and contingent liabilities
      Not a chance

    3. Owen C

      It doesn’t make a €25m profit. Actual figures (Fy17 in brackets) as follows:

      Profit before tax before exceptional charges €24.1m (€28.5m)
      Exceptional costs €13.8m (€12.1m)
      Tax €1.3m (€3.9m)

      Profit €9.0m (€12.5m)

      And this is an industry which is obviously on a (currently) downward trend. Its also got some pension issues on top of the legal ones. If two of Ireland’s wealthiest and most successful businessmen are selling out, it doesn’t suggest its a paltry amount.

      1. eoin

        Don’t know what to say to you about “exceptional items [charges or income]” without sounding condescending.

        INM’s unit price increases and cost cutting and growth of their distribution business have offset declining circulation and advertising. Sure, the future looks bleak, but didn’t Richard Bruton throw them all a bone last week about giving them some of the new broadcast charge. And, if a media company like Mediahuis can apparently thrive in a digital era, why not INM? And even in English-speaking countries, some traditional press outfits are doing very well indeed, with growing revenues and circulation.

        As for the actions of two of Ireland’s richest men, I seem to recall an allegation being made before the corporate watchdog went in, that INM was run in the interests of its two biggest shareholders. Don’t be as thick as INM pension-holder, hang on for 20c a share.

        1. Owen C

          When you have exceptional items constantly appearing (there’s been a large exceptional item in each of the last five years, and in this case a lot of it related to never ending restructuring), they may not really be that “exceptional” and may just be part and parcel of a business undergoing significant business model changes.

          Also, ignoring the exceptional charge, here’s operating profit trend:
          2016 40.2
          2017 27.5
          2018 23.6

          Not exactly suggestive that its going to be higher in the future, and quite possibly lower.

          This isn’t to say that some media companies can’t succeed, or that INM under Mediahuis can’t succeed, but there’s nothing to suggest that Mediahuis should be paying more than 10c for this particular business as it is currently operating and structured..

          1. Johnny

            Is the threat of forced divestiture not hanging over certainly one if not both shareholders,depressing pricing.

          2. Owen C

            Most of the 2013 exceptional income is due to debt write down and pension restructure. The point is that this business is in almost never ending flux and so ignoring the exceptional items (as you might ordinarily do) misses half the story (they had an exceptional cost of about €0.3 BILLION in 2012).

            Operating profits haven’t stablised yet. They’re -14% y/y.

            If its such a slam dunk presumably there’s lots of international investors snapping up shares in INM at the current share price. Except they aren’t.

  6. eoin

    Whiplash causes litigation!

    Lynne Kelleher’s syndicated story appears in several newspapers today

    “A new study has found 100pc of Irish whiplash patients attending a spine specialist pursued legal action.
    The researchers examined all the whiplash cases attending a specialist spine surgeon in Ireland over a 15-year period.”

      1. Owen C

        Also an interesting line within the report: “visits to specialists almost always ended when legal action concluded”

        1. Cian

          This report was looking at *one* specialist.

          It is possible that people that want to go to court ‘find’ a specialist that is ‘amenable’ to whiplash claim cases.

          Litigation causes people to go to this whiplash specialist.

  7. eoin

    Well done to the Times Ireland for reporting the old news (see yesterday’s papers comments) that Richard Bruton has awarded an oil/gas exploration licence to China National Offshore Oil Corporation to drill off the Kerry coast.

    Maybe someone can look at the role (if any, of course!) of the Ireland China Foundation, prop: Enda Kenny, in all of this.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Sure Kenny is moving, or has moved, to Kerry? He can lead the team down there. Exploring. “I met two Chinese fellows, sharing a pint….”

    1. MaryLou's ArmaLite

      He is supposedly the guy who shot the two lads last week. Then he went to the wake, where someone identified him.

    2. Cian

      Perhaps the Gardai took his fingerprints and did an Interpol lookup which identified him as a hitman?

      1. GiggidyGoo

        Wouldn’t you think that Interpol would have a shared database of known hitpeople? If they did, then wouldn’t this fellow have been picked up on entry to Ireland ?

        1. Cian

          Are people fingerprinted on entry to Ireland?

          I’ve just realised that your original post was wrong. He wasn’t a hitman. He was a suspected hitman. There may not have been any suspicion until this week. So he arrived as an Iranian.

      2. ReproBertie

        He was Iranian and gardaí believe he was a hitman for the Finglas gang. Iranian hitman in this case is a hitman of Iranian descent as opposed to a killer shipped in from Iran.

        This is just more of English being a stupid language open to misinterpretation. For example if you say “I never said she stole my money” putting emphasis on a different word every time you say it, the sentence has seven different meanings.

          1. ReproBertie

            As it happens, no. He’s Iranian. He only came to Ireland in his 30’s and I have no idea if he ever applied for citizenship.

            What difference does it make and why are you dragging Halawa into it?

    3. Cian

      “Gardaí believe that a man shot dead in north Dublin this afternoon is an Iranian national and suspected hitman.”

  8. RuilleBuille

    Those red tops posted here are the English versions – give us the Irish versions!

  9. eoin

    Aww, wasn’t it considerate of Eoghan Murphy to delay the publication of the April homeless figures until the local and European polls had ended.

    Figures out this morning and guess what, it’s a new record!

    10,378 in emergency accommodation at the end of April [excluding around 700 in direct provision whose asylum has been approved but there’s no place for them to live, excluding those in womens refuges maybe 200, and excluding around 3,000 removed from the figures because they’re in traditional housing though without any security of tenure]/

    Well done FG, you’re the best. Where’s the FG chair of the housing committee, I’d like to thank Maria personally.


    1. Johnny

      Surprising that X head NAMA’s home building vehicle is not thriving,NAMA by asset stripping Ireland’s developers has left one the biggest and best,developing modern day tenements.The same Irish developer pre NAMA was redeveloping Battersea Power Station,now he’s developing shoe boxes in suburban Dublin-thanks FG and NAMA !

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