Giving It All Away

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Was it for this?

Anyone?

28 thoughts on “Giving It All Away

  1. Cian

    From Wikipedia:
    Its approximate distances from the closest large islands are: 301km west of Scotland; 423km northwest of Ireland; and 700km south of Iceland. The nearest permanently inhabited place is North Uist, an island in the Outer Hebrides of Scotland, 370km to the east.

    The United Kingdom claimed Rockall in 1955 and incorporated it as a part of Scotland in 1972. Ireland does not recognise this claim, although it has never sought to claim sovereignty for itself.
    My emphasis.

    So why would Ireland now have any claim on this rock?

    1. TheQ47

      I think the problem is that Irish fishermen were of the impression that Rockall was in International waters, and therefore they could fish there. If the UK “owns” it, then there’s a 12-mile exclusion zone around it for fishermen from other countries.

      Something like that, anyway.

      1. George

        Well it is more complicated than that. The rock is not inhabitable and the 12 mile exclusion zone only applies to inhabitable islands. Scotland is trying to interpret things differently. Ownership should be moot as no fishing rights should apply to Rockall.

        1. TheQ47

          It’s even more complicated than that, George.

          According to that same wikipedia article quoted above,
          The UK does not make a claim to extended EEZ [exclusive economic zone] based on Rockall, as it has ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS); this says that “rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf”. However, such features are entitled to a territorial sea extending 12 nautical miles.

    2. The Old Boy

      The Irish position is that uninhabited bits of rock hundreds of miles out to sea don’t automatically become part of the nearest inhabited land by virtue of a flag-planting expedition, and they certainly don’t accrue 600 square miles of territorial waters in the middle of the North Atlantic.

    3. phillip

      IN 1975 Willie Dick landed on the island which is surrounded by minerals and massive fishing grounds and fianna fail recommended Ireland made a counter claim

      It was ignored by the powers at be
      Now we have our mealy mouthed government with another problem post brexit
      And a prime minister thinking its a bit of rock
      And it is with 12 miles zone rich in fish and possible minerals that could be worth billions

  2. TMan

    As highlighted above the ratification of the UN convention on the law of the seas in 1972 states that unless an island is habitable, a state cannot lay claim to the territorial waters around an island.

    1. TheQ47

      The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea actually doesn’t say that (https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf).
      In PART II, Section 2, Article 3, it says:
      Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines determined in accordance with this Convention.
      Also, In PART VIII, Article 121, paragraph 3 it says:
      Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.
      (my emphasis)
      So, if the UK/Scotland claims Rockall as its own, it has a right to establish a territorial sea of 12 nautical miles around it, whether or not it is inhabited. The inhabited part of the convention only refers to an exclusive economic zone. The exclusive economic zone is an area beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea.

      Complicated doesn’t even begin to describe it.

  3. Mattress Pat

    Is it over 300 miles from Dublin to Galway now? I think the ould map scale is a bit off Broadsheet

  4. A Person

    BS giving another platform to the shinners? It’s a fecking rock. Does anyone care that much?

  5. jason

    thanks for the 10billion bail out UK. that’s what the 2013 giving it away was all about

  6. Charger Salmons

    The EU has been strangely quiet.
    You know,the EU that has Ireland’s ” back “.
    Realistically,now Ireland has served its purpose over Brexit it’ll be tossed aside like a used condom with a knot tied on the end of it.
    You’ve been spaffed up against the Brussels wall yet again.
    To mix my metaphors …
    Heh,heh,heh.

    1. millie st murderlark

      Will a strong dose of antibiotics get rid of you? You know, like on a particularly aggressive strain of the clap or something.

    2. Brother Barnabas

      when it’s not strange at all, is it still “strangely quiet”?

      asking for a friend obviously

  7. shayna

    In the graphic – the top left island off Scotland looks a bit like Ireland? Remember those days..

    1. Brother Barnabas

      isle of lewis and harris

      everyone should visit it

      extraordinary beauty

      andyourp and I are going camping there in august

  8. shayna

    Ta for that, it does look a bit like Ireland though? Try Oban – the circular fort on the hill – it seems that bag-pipers just walk around all day playing their bag-pipes.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      ever see ‘the ring of bright water’?

      based there. worth watching. probably on YouTube.

      1. shayna

        Yes and yes – Bill Travers and Virginia McKenna. Bill Travers in the movie where the otter dies – it broke my heart.

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