59 thoughts on “De Thursday Papers

  1. eoin

    Fair play to Johnny Ryan (no, different one) for calling out Google which has set up ghost webpages to track your web browsing and sells that to advertisers. The Irish data protection commissioner is investigating what appears to be a quite outrageous breach of privacy and attempt to bypass GDPR. The FT above has the story, as has The Hill, CNET. Strangely though, no Irish paper.

    1. Salmon Eile

      Possibly also the first time the word “Belgium” has been on the building site regulars read front page.

    2. Cú Chulainn

      Indeed, they are nothing if not consistent. There’s always a death or injury aspect. Killer – seagulls (my favourite), badgers, chips and now knockers (breasts) .. a dangerous world out there folks..

      1. postmanpat

        ..claims obnoxious sassy lady looking for attention as usual who is the color (and size) of Barnie the Dinosaur with big smile on her lying face. Hilarious !!!

  2. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    Boris is wrecking the joint – who knew this would happen! He has no morals and no plan, other than trying to hold onto power. If Britain had newspapers rather than propaganda sheets, there might be some sanity there. I hope the DUP enjoyed their time in the sun.

      1. martco

        well Rees-1837 is well documented (and very successfully) playing the currency markets in parallel with this. no wonder he’s doing nutty stuff like the lounging incident & peacocking all that eccentricity. he’s essentially having a height of the empire laugh at everyones expense. there’s even an emerging (and fairly sh ite/disturbing) mogg based music genre e.g.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5l35v13TY

        bonkers

    1. some old queen

      Johnson is well and truly cornered- Corbyn’s performance was outstanding- he stuck to the script and cut through the bluff and bluster with surgical precision- and not a single question answered.

      It will be really interesting to see the yougov polls once yes deal receives Royal ascent because no deal was so unpopular. But- there is so many variables within an election that it would be a brave man or woman to claim an accurate prediction.

      Even the house of lords has had a rocket shoved up their derrière- legislation to pass by tomorrow evening. The only down side was all the booing and shouting which served no purpose- the Jeremy Kyle show wouldn’t have had a look in.

      1. scottser

        If Corbyn has any sense he would stay away from an election and organise a vote of no confidence in Johnson, see can he form a government himself. The public vote should be referendum not an election

        1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

          Agreed – an election will resolve nothing.
          Only a referendum that has two specific options – they might be:
          1) do you want ruin the economy and everything else?
          2) Do you want to be part of an imperfect EU but that is much better than option #1?

          Unfortunately, that is way too rational.

          1. Cian

            The problem, as I see it, is that the average punter thinks there are the following options:
            1. stay in the (albeit imperfect) EU
            2. leave the EU with no deal (subdivided into)
            2.a. No-Deal Pessimist: this will be a disaster, but better than the EU
            2.b. No-Deal Optimist: this will be a wonderful, Blightly will show Johnny Foreigner why we ruled the world.
            3. leave the EU with a deal (subdivided into)
            3.a. Current-Deal Optimist: this is the best we can do, better than the EU
            3.b. Current-Deal Pessimist: this is an awful deal for the UK and any other option is better
            3.c. New Deal Optimist: we can to go back to the EU and get a new, better deal in the next 50 days, Blightly will show Johnny Foreigner why we ruled the world.
            4. Pfwoooor, nice knockers on that bird

            I’m not sure if there are enough people in groups #1 + #3b to stop Brexit.

          2. Cian

            At this stage, I think the most sensible option for the UK

            a) revoke Article 50 (Stay in the EU, for now)
            b) create a “Citizen’s Assemble” or similar to see what the people actually want if they are outside the EU. From this find out what Brexit looks like.
            c) start talks with the EU to get a Brexit deal that matches #b (or as close as)
            d) have a binding referendum asking people to vote on stay in EU or accept the deal in #c
            e) stay/or go.

          3. bisted

            ….very comprehensive Cian but you avoid the elephant in the room…this is a case of representative democracy over-ruling direct democracy because the majority to remain that the media and opinion polls insisted would sweep the boards didn’t participate in the referendum…fairplay to Coveney for paying little more than lip service to the brit charade…

      2. some old queen

        Oh dear- tweet from Jo Johnson- brother of himself.

        It’s been an honour to represent Orpington for 9 years & to serve as a minister under three PMs. In recent weeks I’ve been torn between family loyalty and the national interest – it’s an unresolvable tension & time for others to take on my roles as MP & Minister.

        That’s a first- an MP standing down to spend less time with his family.

  3. Cú Chulainn

    The real lesson for us al is how easy it is to undermine democracy and to pit people against each other. There are always c.20-30% of the population who are either unhappy or angry* (a well known phase among planners). What internet use has allowed happen is the direct targeting of those people and banding them together. Brexit is a perfect example. So to the Trinidad & Tobago election. We have to up our game as a society to protect our hard fought democracy.

    1. some old queen

      History shows that every time there is a major step forward in communication technology, right wing subversives are the first to take advantage. But you point is very valid- freedoms won can be easily lost.

      Fortunately the left is now also mobilised and while the mainstream will shake their heads and say one is as bad as the other, there is checks and balances emerging. Green Queen Hazel Chu said it must be challenged with facts and she is right- there is no immigrant gangs roaming our streets- its all cobblers.

        1. some old queen

          I mean within a democratic context- once either Right or Left step outside that, they become something else.

      1. B9Com From No

        in fact it was President Obama who first mobilized the power of the internet to gain a mass following

        1. some old queen

          True but that was quite above board in comparison to the nefarious manipulation which went on with the likes of Brexit.

  4. DOC

    Boris is acting like an overgrown schoolchild who stamps his feet when he does not get what he wants
    My Five year old son has more sense
    And Theresa May is in the background
    Laughing her butt off
    Surveying the damage….
    General Election
    General ERECTION more like

    1. Otis Blue

      In truth May has little to laugh about, other than the fact that BJ will supercede her at the worst PM in history. She was a disaster; inept, no strategy, no attempt to build consensus, red lines all over the place and she courted and emboldened the DUP. She owns enough of this mess.

      And yet through all this she backed the spaffer against the Tory rebels in all votes to date.

      1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

        100%. When May got toppled, some people felt sorry for her. Not me. She chose a lot of nasty and incorrect options throughout her career.

  5. eoin

    Chicken and frit (es) for brekkie?

    The Sun is up to its old tricks, knowing fine well Corbyn’s demand for an election came with T&Cs, the main one being there be an extension to Brexit or no deal is taken off the table.

    And the worst insult the Tories [the ones that haven’t been kicked out] can come up with is to call the opposition “frit” or frightened.

    It’s a sad state of affairs for politics and media.

  6. eoin

    Someone at the 5-hour Cabinet meeting on Tuesday night in Dublin leaked the proceedings to Pat Leahy at The Irish Times. The paper on the impact of Brexit was circulated to the ministers present, but then taken back at the end of the meeting so the fuppers wouldn’t leak it wholesale.

    The IT reports

    “Ministers were also told it was inevitable there would be some checks on goods imported across the Border but that those checks would not take place at the Border. When pressed by some Ministers for more details about the nature of the checks, Mr Coveney declined to elaborate – though there was some mention of mobile checks – but it is understood that discussions are taking place in Government Buildings about issuing more detail to the public, perhaps as early as next week…One Minister said: “We’re going to have to level with people. It’s going to be a lot worse than people expect.””

    1. eoin

      The government predicts 10,000 jobs will be lost within 3 months in one sector alone, tourism/hospitality. How many will be lost throughout the economy. And house prices, will they fall by 20%?

      Yes minister, you really do need to level with people.

      1. GiggidyGoo

        They can’t level with people (even if they wanted to), because they are still winging it in the hope that the UK sorts itself out. FG have no plan. We were informed that last week they conducted a ‘desk based’ test. What a poor attempt to try pull the wool.
        That’s what you get when a bunch of boys are left to adults work.

        1. some old queen

          If winging it means sitting it out until they know what Britain is going to do then yes- they absolutely should. Companies who the first time around spent time and money preparing, left themselves at a distinct competitive disadvantage against ones who did not.

          It is now a case of wait and see.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Winging it means they let on, day by day, that they have a plan – which they haven’t. ‘Wait and see’ in a situation such as this is a childish cop out by immature boys, and has the potential to bring part of the indigenous industries to its knees.

          2. some old queen

            Nobody knows how this is going to pan out- one extreme is crashing out and the other is to remain, with many variations in-between. Releasing plans for no deal would only give republican dissidents an excuse to kick off- especially as no deal is now highly unlikely.

            And I was speaking about indigenous industries btw- who know more about what is going on at a business level in Britain than the government ever will.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            “Releasing plans for no deal would only give republican dissidents an excuse…”
            You can’t say that unless you know if there are any plans being considered in the first place, and what they would be. (You could just as easily replaced ‘republican dissidents’ with ‘unionist dissidents’ – or included them – in your summation)

            You’re correct as regards the knowledge of the situation though. That reflects badly on the political establishment as they have had years, not weeks, to get the knowledge and understanding needed.

  7. eoin

    From the Irish Times,

    “Mr Pence expressed his appreciation for “the security partnership” between the US and Ireland, particularly the use of Shannon, which has become “such an important hub for US forces deploying overseas” and for the “close coordination” between the two countries in “US military operations around the world”. He thanked the people of Shannon for “how they welcome our troops here at all times of the day and night and give them a warm Irish welcome either on their way into the fight or on their way home.””

    We should be de-escalating the use of Shannon as a US military base, remove the permanent military attache and office facilities, encourage the US to fly on to Brize Norton in the UK and carry out the odd inspection of planes landing until they start to get the message.

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      It is all to play for. If the Tories and Brexit party split their votes, the FPTP system may open the way for Corbyn. With a better leader, Labour would do a lot better (sorry if that is obvious).

  8. GiggidyGoo

    The Douglas Shopping Centre car fire insurance battle will be interesting. The alleged model of vehicle had three recalls already, the last one being May 2019, to fix a problem of it going on fire.
    But recalls? Are customers even told in time? Or at all, until the car goes for normal service?

  9. LuvinLunch

    I’m sorry but the “Knocker Shocker” headline on the Daily Star has got to win headline of the week, no?

  10. Ian-O

    Why in God’s name is The Star and the UK version at that, included in this round up?

    Seriously, it’s not a newspaper, so what gives?

  11. eoin

    Remember a couple of weeks ago in a debate about direct provision, it was noted in the comments that the #1 source of migrants seeking international protection (asylum) were from Georgia (the Eurasian country, not the US state).

    Now we find out there’s a highly lucrative (£15k a head) migration scam between Ireland and the UK involving Georgian migrants.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7430961/Boss-Georgian-human-trafficking-gang-35-jailed-six-years.html

    Ireland needs to accept its responsibility to genuine asylum seekers but we’re being robbed blind in the current system.

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