76 thoughts on “Saturday’s Papers

  1. Charger Salmons

    Excellent colour piece on Sinn Fein/IRA by David Jones in the Daily Mail.
    Much of the detail will be familiar to an Irish audience but less so in the UK where I get the impression there are more people in favour of a united Ireland than there are in Ireland.
    As with Scotland it would be nice to see the back of the neanderthals who run NI politics.
    We’d even like someone to take Wales but frankly no-one else will have them.
    England is and always has been the most powerful part of the Union – we’d be better off jettisoning the spongers and bottom-feeders who hold us back.
    Let them stew in a mire of their own making.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005639/DAVID-JONES-IRA-seize-power-Ireland.html

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    1. Tommy Bohan

      The “Irish” Daily Mail and I use the word “Irish” very loosely contains more English reports than Irish ones these days. Take today for example, theirntop of front page is an exclusive on the British Royal Family, yesterday they had Harry + Megan (more British Royal stories) on their front page. How they expect anyobe to pay €2 for an “Irish” paper that is basically the same as the one in England, with about 10 token Irish ages, beats me. Their sales have reduced drastically in the last 2 years from 0ver 55,000 to now under 25,000 now so continuing with this strategy of minimal Irish content is very strange. Obviously some Irish people do follow the British Royals, but going by Sinn Feins good result last week, I can imagine seeing Royal stories nearly every day on their front page will alienate a lot of potential readers. They have reduced the number of Irish staff drastically in the last few months, so clearly it is now seen as a money making exercise by the bosses in London.

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      1. Charger Salmons

        Imagine anyone wanting to run a newspaper as a money making exercise …
        Thankfully for footy fans the League of Ireland is back on so Irish people don’t have to watch that awful English Premier League stuff.

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        1. Tommy Bohan

          I like your sarcasism but I do expect my pages of an Irish paper to contain mostly Irish stories i.e. supporting Irish journalists!

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      2. Hilary Tighe

        The vast majority of their news you can get fro free oniline Tommy!
        I agree that 2 euro is a lot to pay each day when you can read it free online, and have a more up do date version to boot! And environmentally it is better.
        All newspapers are losing sales.
        I do agree with you when you write about all the royal stories. They need to realise they are producing an Irish paper so having so many royal stories on their front pages is odd.
        I used to get the Daily Mail a few years back and one aspect did always strike me. That was their letters to the editor were mostly from English readers. I always found that odd.If they had no Irish people sending in posts why couldn’t they just make up some! T’would be better than having English ones! Looked really bad. I don’t know if that still happens.

        Hilary

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        1. Charger Salmons

          Possibly because they’re not really interested in what the Irish have to say ?
          Around 29,000 copies are sold daily and I would imagine a fair few of those go to English readers living in Ireland.
          Why bother, in a declining market, putting any more resources into it.
          They make so much money from their online edition it must be hardly worth their effort but clearly it must be making money.

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          1. Brother Barnabas

            “not really interested in what the Irish have to say”

            well that came back to bite them on the hard border

            heh x 32

        1. Charger Salmons

          Where exactly has the Daily Mail been anti-Irish ?
          Seems a strange editorial move when you sell 29,000 copies a day in Ireland.
          I’d be interested to hear more of this.
          With actual evidence.

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          1. Charger Salmons

            Ah, the I can’t be bothered school of evasion.
            You’re blustering pal.
            And I should know because I am the King of Bluster.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            isnt the daily mail essentially just a light read for elderly women not entirely averse to a bit of mild xenophobia in the home counties ?

          3. Brother Barnabas

            i’m assuming you’re one of those 29,000, charger

            i don’t want to get personal, but would you have a penchant for gin in the mid-morning?

          4. Charger Salmons

            Never before midday old boy.
            But a jolly good sharpener before a PFL.
            Always Gordon’s mind you.
            Although I am partial to a Cork Dry Gin too.
            None of this fancy craft gin aromaticals nonsense.

          5. Peter Connaughton

            I think you’ll find they sold nearly exactly 25000 on the nose in December in the Republic of Ireland. Think you’re a few months out of date giving them 29000 sales! Another few months and they’ll be in the teens!

      3. GiggidyGoo

        Lorraine Clifford Lee – FFailure candidate in election. Her of infamous ‘Pikey’ tweet
        John Lee. Editor of the Irish Mail on Sunday

        Husband and Wife.

        No need to look any further for the Mail’s anti SF musings for instance.

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          1. Charger Salmons

            And at home their coverage and editorial stance on the murder of black teenager Stepehen Lawrence was ground-breaking.
            It has many faults but the Daily Mail has a proud history of investigative and campaigning journalism and has led the world on making money through its online content.
            And let’s be honest, who doesn’t like a shnakey look at the Sidebar of Shame ?

          2. Beau Le Ratt

            And at home…

            Say no more Clankers
            Slam on the brakes!
            Pause for a moment.

            As you admitted already, newspapers isn’t a moneymaking thing anymore.
            It’s simply British Right Wing propaganda.
            It’s circulation is 26,895.
            Some people will buy anything to wrap their fish’n’chips in.

            Good day to you, Sir!

          3. Lilly

            I once worked with a guy – a no-nonsense Dub – who used to spend his lunch break reading the Daily Mail online. He wasn’t the sharpest but he wasn’t stupid either. It amazed me that he could find nothing better to do at lunchtime every bleedin’ day.

      4. Pol O'Conchuir

        They spent tens of millions launching both the Irish Daily Mail and Irish Mail on Sunday. I remember initially both papers were very cheap and loads of freebies.

        They seemed to heve lost many readers over the years. All papers have but they seem particularly badly hit by falling sales. Both papers at top of price range now eg Star Sun Mirror cheaper for daily editions. I think their Sunday paper is €3 or more which is pricey to say the least.

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    2. Kate

      It’s a good article but no credit given to Sinn Fein for significant progress on peace since GFA.
      And FF history is steeped in supporting the IRA – look no further than Charlie Haughey – if you’re calling a spade a spade he should have done a stint in Mountjoy.

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  2. some old queen

    Maajid Nawaz is an LBC jock who has a habit of saying things which make me stop and think- but in a good way. He is a liberal or reformist muslim and a free speech advocate for want of better categories. Here he is talking about the rise of anti-Semitism and how facisim is actually a merger of left and right. 14:42 mins long and really worth a watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAje_NjRsX8

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    1. f_lawless

      Except he makes no supporting argument to back up his premise that there is any real “rise in anti-Semitism” or anti-Semitism crisis. Where’s the evidence? Sounds like he’s been taken in by a manufactured media narrative cooked up by both the Israeli lobby and the British ruling class who were determined to prevent a Corbyn-led Labour from gaining the reins of power in the UK.

      As pointed out by the Jewish Voice for Labour:

      “Neither polls nor hate crime data reveal such a crisis.

      Surveys consistently find that anti-Jewish animus in Britain is low relative both to other countries in Europe and to animus against other minority groups. Annual Pew surveys between 2004 and 2016 show no increase in anti-Jewish sentiment throughout this period. Reviewing this data, the respected Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) emphasised in 2017 that:

      ‘levels of antisemitism in Great Britain are among the lowest in the world. British Jews constitute a religious and ethnic group that is seen overwhelmingly positively by an absolute majority of the British population: about 70% of the population of Great Britain have a favourable opinion of Jews and do not entertain any antisemitic ideas or views at all’

      https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/smoke-without-fire-the-myth-of-a-labour-antisemitism-crisis/

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      1. Charger Salmons

        ” Sounds like he’s been taken in by a manufactured media narrative cooked up by both the Israeli lobby and the British ruling class who were determined to prevent a Corbyn-led Labour from gaining the reins of power in the UK. ”

        It seems to me Jeremy Corbyn did more to prevent a Corbyn-led government than anyone else.
        Huzzah for five more years of Tory toffs !

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          1. f_lawless

            But just like the Telegraph, which has the same owners, the Spectator often functions as little more than a mouthpiece for the British ruling class and was part of the media campaign to demonise Corbyn and hype the “anti-Semitism crisis” in the UK.

            The author of the blog post is cherry picking information in order to spin and dismisses the JPR’s own calls not to jump to any alarmist conclusions that a “problem-centred” report can potentially give rise to just, because(?). When you consider that the Muslim community in the UK face far more significant levels of Islamophobia yet where are all the articles of concern from the corporate media pundits?

            https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR.2017.Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Great_Britain.pdf (pages 5,6)

            (parts in bold are from original text)
            “It is worth stressing a fact that runs the risk of being understated in a problem-centred report: levels of antisemitism in Great Britain are among the lowest in the world. British Jews constitute a religious and ethnic group that is seen overwhelmingly positively by an absolute majority of the British population: about 70% of the population of Great Britain have a favourable opinion of Jews and do not entertain any antisemitic ideas or views at all. In this respect, Jews are in a similar position to some other religious minorities, most notably Hindus

            While 30% of British society hold at least one antisemitic attitude, to varying degrees, this emphatically does not mean that 30% of the population of Great Britain is antisemitic. ..The existence of strong, sophisticated, perhaps internally coherent and at times even ‘learned’ antisemitism, where open dislike of Jews is combined with developed negative ideas about Jews, does not exceed 2.4% of British adults

          2. some old queen

            Do you agree that there should be a nation wide British investigation into institutional misogyny in the same way as racism f_lawless?

          3. f_lawless

            I don’t know. I haven’t read up on it to have much of an opinion on it. I guess as long as it’s fair, balanced and not politicised, any investigation that sheds a light on institutional discrimination of any kind is a good thing.

            As far as I’m aware there’s been no such investigation regarding institutional racism in the UK (not in the political arena at least?) and, as it now seems that Judaism is increasingly defined as a race or national origin, not just a religion, I would say there’s been a disproportionate amount of focus falling on anti-Semitism and the Labour Party. What do you think?

  3. Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop

    “Its Valentine’s night and the most animated I’ve seen you is talking about the possibility of Sheffield United getting into the Champions league….”

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  4. Charger Salmons

    Never mind Storm Dennis – what about Stormy Daniels’ lawyer Michael Avenatti ? ( See what I did there ? )
    You remember him surely ? The darling of the entire Democrat-supporting media.You couldn’t turn on a US TV show without him boasting how he was going to bring down Donald Trump and boy did the media soil their pants in excitement.
    Such a shame that yesterday he was found guilty of all charges of trying to extort $25 million from Nike in an old-fashioned shakedown.
    This sleazeball is going to the slammer for a loooong time.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1228404849403932675

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    1. Nigel

      Mostly from around that time I remember the personal lawyer of the president and the head of the Republican National Committee going to jail and a certain ‘Individual 1’ being referred to as his unindicted co-conspirator. Avenanti baiting Trump was fun for the ten seconds it lasted.

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      1. Charger Salmons

        Remind us again who is still POTUS and looking forward to a 2nd term ?
        The Democrats have flung a lot of mud at Trump but nothing has stuck yet.

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        1. Nigel

          Actually all the mud has stuck. He’s a walking mud monster. It’s just that’s the sort of candidate favoured by the right nowadays.

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          1. Charger Salmons

            Come back to me on November 15th and we’ll see who is right.
            Four years of Clinton denying she lost, the Mueller investigation, impeachment attempt and virtually the entire pro-Democrat US media has produced the square root of diddly squat.
            Trump, meanwhile, has produced a booming US economy, low unemployment and unprecedent job opportunies for black and ethnic minorities.
            Another 225,000 jobs were added in January ,well above market expectations.
            And he hasn’t started a war.
            I know who my money is on …

          2. Nigel

            Right about what? If he’s re-elected it will just prove the abject embrace of gangsterism by the right, which hardly needs much proving at this stage. You can’t prove me wrong about Trump, except in the Orwellian 2+2=5 sense which admittedly is your modus operandi.

          3. Charger Salmons

            It never ceases to amaze me how many people who like to think they occupy the moral high ground also support politicians who never win elections.
            No-one loves a sore loser.

          4. Beau Le Ratt

            I agree with Nigel but I argue that it’s a moot point.
            You simply cannot win against Ol’ Charger in this fight my friend. Just ignore her.

            Britain won’t have internet access by October, never mind November.

          5. Nigel

            Well you certainly couldn’t mistake Trump for anyone with any moral values, that’s for sure, but definitely the sort of person Charger likes to toady for.

          6. bisted

            …lose:lose for the world whoever has their finger on the button…lots of people alive today because it wasn’t crooked Hillary…

          7. Nigel

            Absolute nonsense. Assad and Putin are merrily slaughtering all around them, to say nothing of the idea that inaction on climate change won’t have a body count.

          8. bisted

            …Assad has bravely resisted Western interference bent on regime change with help from his Russian, Iranian and Lebonese allies…he is on the cusp of victory…a lot depends on Turkey…

          9. Nigel

            Or in other words, a brutal strongman supported by ruthless imperialists with geopolitical interests in maintaining his blood-soaked regime. He’s a torturer and a murderer of children. This is why your ‘people alive today’ schtick about Clinton is so sickening.

          10. Nigel

            No, I get that Obama’s mlitary interventions were catastrophic failures. but I also get that no, neither he nor Clinton were being a ‘strongman,” that’s a category error, and that the entire global international community failed and continue to fail to unite in non-miltary intervention in the face of horrific ongoing humanitarian disasters, often because they’re great for the weapons trade.

  5. GiggidyGoo

    FG want a rotating taoiseach. It would of course be a case of a rotating roasting.
    If so, it’ll more than likely be Coveney and Martin. And the Dail will meet in Cork instead of Dublin. ROFL.
    Roll on the FFG ‘coalition’.
    A clearly defined line at last between government and opposition.
    And FFG/RTE/Dinnymedia have now got to try figure out some other means of attacking SF.

    And just to say – Paul Quinn – not a peep from the aforesaid FFG RTE Dinnymedia. What a shameful bunch of users, It’s actual abuse. They did it to Mairia Cahill, and to Austin Stack. Used them to try score political points.

    No mention either of the supposed truck bomb that didn’t exist on 31st Jan, Brexit Day.

    Yes, roll on the next general election.

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      1. GiggidyGoo

        I was referring to RTEs breathless report of a bomb that was on a trailer on the docks in Belfast, which was to be shipped on 31st on a ferry to Scotland. The breathless report told us of the potential dire consequences that could have had…..and the report finished that the PSNI found no such bomb. That non-existent bomb.
        And the bomb you mention – any updates?

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