Loud And Clear

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“The message I’ve received loud and clear: people want a new government, they want a change of government and that involves Fine Gael out of government.”

Fianna Fál leader Michael Martin, January 23, 2020

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16 thoughts on “Loud And Clear

    1. Dr.Fart

      its journalists the world over. i’ve seen lots of this. ironically, when they were getting pics of Dominic Cummings reporting on him breaking lockdown rules, they were on top of each other and way too close to him and his wife too. Journos are complete animals, they all want a close position to MM here, so instead of just working out a system, they throw caution to the wind, and for the sake of gettin their nose in front they do this. animals.

  1. newsjustin

    Meh.

    Who ever got enough votes and can provide stable Govt.

    Not concerned about “vote for change” whining.

    1. Boj

      Out of interest, what are you concerned with? Will the installation of this Frankenstein administration alleviate those current concerns? I also ask, why is a vote for change considered whining by your standards? Does it not fall into the ‘concerns’category also?

      1. newsjustin

        More public housing being built, tackling greenhouse gas emission, getting as many as possible back to work safely.

        I think having the Greens in and the two civil warriors together is enough change and enough of a mix to act as an impetus to achieve some of the things reportedly in the programme for government.

        A vote for change certainly isn’t whining.

        But parties who got a portion of the votes saying (essentially) “if you don’t include us, its not change” is whining.

        1. Ron

          I love how you gloss over the facts with your use of “a portion of voters”. I’d say 535,595 first preference votes is a significant ‘portion’ to be ignored. SF got the highest First Preference Vote % of any political party in General Election and those voters who are the majority of all the votes cast are essentially being excluded through every means possible to ensure the FF FG circus continues.

          And there will be consequences not yet fully understood for them. You can’t ignite the voice of half a million voters and expect them to go quietly into the night.

          COVID-19 changed everything for everyone bar the wealthy. The usual quiet Irish voter will not be so quiet this time I think.

          1. Rob_G

            ah you’d miss Ron all the same :)

            25% of the votes cast is a plurality, rather than a majority, Ron. And governments are formed excluding 25% of voters a ‘majority’ of the time – I would go so far to say ‘100% of the time’.

          2. Ron

            count up all the first preference votes cast in the General Election, and then portion them like a pie and assign the pie based on the number of first preference votes cast by the electorate. Which party has the biggest piece of the pie?

          3. newsjustin

            a) We use proportional representation

            b) Any party who wanted to had 125 days to try to form a government with their mandate and powers of persuasion, any government. If they wouldn’t or couldn’t that’s a reflection on them, not anyone else.

          4. Cian

            count up all the first preference votes cast in the General Election, and then portion them like a pie and assign the pie based on the number of first preference votes cast by the electorate. Look at the FF, FG and Green slices- together they have more than half.

            Democracy.

          5. Ron

            Oh Cian, your such a mediocre Captain Obvious. We are all very aware of the PR system. It still doesn’t negate the fact that SF got the highest first preference % vote of any political party and to suggest that the majority, more than half a million shoukd just walk away quietly shows how naively mediocre you are.

            Also, on a side note. you need to be intellectual in order for your attempts at your particular type of sarcasm to work. it’s not working because your the opposite of intellectual Cian.

            How’s things going otherwise?

        2. Boj

          Thanks News. That’s absolutely fine, fair and reasonable. I simply had an issue with ‘vote for change’ being plainly categorised as whining.

  2. jamesjoist

    Time for you and time for me ,
    And time yet for a hundred indecision s ,
    And for a hundred visions and revisions ,
    Before the taking of a toast and tea.
    from The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

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