The second wave of the Pandemic/Sectarian Targeting of a new East Belfast GAA club/Beirut. It’s clear that unsafe storage of Ammonium Nitrate was responsible for the obliteration of Beirut – and the devastation of their supply chain – now it’s Tripoli, the next biggest port. During the 30 years war in Lebanon – I grew up around that time – early 70s in Ireland – The Europa Hotel in Belfast was renowned as the most blown-up hotel outside of Beirut. Different and devastating this time 1/12th of the population are f***ed. Their government – well, that’s the problem.
Shayna rarely mentions the GAA, but exceptionally, she’ll mention the wholly sectarian attack on a new GAA club in East Belfast, The Club is called, “East Belfast” . The PSNI closed down roads in East and West of Belfast on Thursday. The cops arrested a 54 year old loyalist type with bomb making materials, who targeted the GAA on social media. The pandemic mask thing in shops scenario – Shayna’s is black – also I invariably wear a hat – also, I’m kinda tall, but very polite.
topsy
Easy on the cans.
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
Bertie is amused by Shayna’s choice to refer to herself in the third person.
Paulus
Paulus has noticed that she does that from time to time.
Janet, dreams of big guns
Big J also notices
Lush
Lush has also noticed, and is glad someone else brought it up first.
Lush thinks she sees correlation between the time of the post and the grammatical preferences.
We’ve all been there.
Janet, dreams of big guns
yes indeed
Keith
Add Hezbollah and hamas into the mix
Beirut is one step away from Yemen’s fate
According to these figures, in the middle of what we were told was the biggest pandemic of our lifetimes, there has been a drop in overall fatalities- which makes no sense whatsoever.
Unless someone can give me a rational explanation for this anomaly, what we are looking at is a fraudulent reclassification which has caused untold hardship and misery to many- the extent of which has yet to be revealed.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Have you got the statistics for hospital bed occupancy, medical worker absentee due to illness, number of people with myocarditis, number of people requiring double lung transplants, etc., compared with previous years? The death toll is only part of the story.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Don’t feed the trolls.
SOQ
@ Formely, yes all those points are valid but I don’t see how they would have an impact on the overall fatality rate?
Formerly known as @ireland.com
When the hospitals are full and there aren’t any medical staff left, more people will die from more causes. That hasn’t happened because of lockdowns.
Cian
It is almost like some people here have forgotten the army in Italy being needed to remove all the corpses. And the icerinks being used as temporary morgue.
But sure it’s just a bit of a flu.
Janet, dreams of big guns
now Cian it’s not that straightforward,
demographics, social behavior and lower testing capacity are just some of the reasons why Italy and Spain had the highest number of deaths in the world initially, for examplethe first group of people to get hit by the virus in the country were the elderly.
OECD data shows that Italy has the second oldest population in the world, after Japan.
Cian
So it’s “Just a flu” unless you are Italian, Spanish, British, or from New York? Then it is really serious?
SOQ
Agreed Janet- Dr Macus de Brun is of the opinion that the rate per million is very misleading because more than 90% of the fatalities are in the over 65 category.
Sweden for example has 3 times the number of over 65’s than Ireland and as a percentage, have less deaths than Ireland within that group.
And then there is the other issue of previous mild respiratory viral years. Viruses sweep every year and countries which had two mild seasons beforehand had a spike in 2020, while those who average or higher fatalities did not- this is borne out by the data- Italy is definitely in the first group.
But none of that explains why we are supposed to have an ADDITIONAL 1700 then revised down to 1100, while ALSO having a lower over all fatality rate than the previous three years.
“…Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive…”
Cian
“Sweden for example has 3 times the number of over 65’s than Ireland and as a percentage, have less deaths than Ireland within that group. ”
FAKE NEWS (aka lies)
How is this relevant? Sweden has over 2 times the population of Ireland. They have more older people (20% are over 65; we have 14%).
In terms of deaths:
Sweden 8,750 deaths from 10.3 million = 550 per 100,000
Ireland 1,770 deaths from 4.9 million = 360 per 100,000
For the under 65s:
Sweden 342 deaths from 8.2 million = 41 per 100,000
Ireland 119 deaths from 4.2 million = 28 per 100,000
For the over 65:
Sweden 5,358 deaths from 2 million = 2,595 per 100,000
Ireland 1,653 deaths from 0.7million = 2,374 per 100,000
Lush
I’m dubious about many things since this all started, SOQ; and while I can understand what you’re getting at, and why you are being so vehemently sceptical, I don’t get my facts off a Twitter account. Nor do I come onto Broadsheet to ask for confirmation or otherwise. I suspect you’ll have to dig deeper for the real facts; but I wouldn’t trust the internet.
SOQ
No question but those ARE official figures form welfare.ie- the only question is if the last two weeks in May will marginally rise- they ARE the real facts.
I am just asking if there is something else I am missing is all because I find it hard to believe that we have gone through all of this for something with such questionable fatality rates.
The game changer I think will be a test for SARS-Cov-2 t cells. They already have one for SARS-Cov-1 and there appears to be a link between high levels of people testing positive for SARS-Cov-1 t cells and low infection rates of 2- which would make sense as one is a derivative of the other.
Gabby
Epistemology is a branch of philosophy that endeavours to strive for certain knowledge. It seeks to test how we know and how we can verify what we know. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State for Defence in Washington DC in 2002, famously declared about political and military intelligence: “Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.”
His words/thoughts could be applied to the quest for true and certain knowledge about the corona-19 pandemic. I am particularly drawn to his concept of ‘unknown unknowns’. These are the facts and insights into knowledge that we know we don’t know. We need to tread warily knowing that there is uncertainty about certain certainties.
Enjoy your breakfast and avoid crowds.
Mary (Never) Wong
I want to puke instead. Rumsfeld was the subject of widespread mockery for years for that speech which was used to justify mass murder and genocide
Lush
The Devil can cite scripture for his own ends, etc, etc. And I agree re Rumsfeld. But it doesn’t take away from the point being made; it’s an interesting point of debate
Does anybody remember the concept of debate?
Mary (Never) Wong
Yes I see what you’re doing there.
Gabby is citing as a reference that is a summary of some kind of an example of a starting point. I’d prefer to debate the known, the provable or logical and else the bar still can be the venue for the speculative.
GiggidyGoo
And that scumbag described as a “Carer”.
Name and shame and then punish properly.
Janet, dreams of big guns
sadistic, who delights in that kind of cruelty
Janet, dreams of big guns
Brexit Say the French ? Well stopping the migrants crossing the manche is no longer our problem..
actually much as I love it there it’s a very infuriating personality traits of the French to always react initially to a complaint with ” it wasn’t me ” or ” it’s not my problem ” , especially in the workplace, I’d have to explain the nouvelle concept of that being irrelevant and actually being there to discuss a solution,
I guess the solution here is ” it’s not our problem anymore “…
Janet, dreams of big guns
hang on …are the Irish government French in disguise with the collusion of terrible tailors
Lush
At the same time, who’s footing the bill of 8 million euros/year to check freight traffic? It’s not the UK, it’s the port of Calais.
And while I agree with your point re our Gallic friends, I’m more than happy to get to use that word again:
schadenfreude.
Janet, dreams of big guns
oh I wasn’t judging them, merely an observation :)
it’s your word of the week !
Lilly
Simon Cowell has broken his back after falling off an electric bicycle in California.
Anyone else get the feeling that some lads around here do all their reading and cogging over on Gript
And do all their commenting here
Anyone?
Mary (Never) Wong
Gript ?
Rosette of Sirius
You made me look. John McGurk. Urgh.
Cú Chulainn
Definitely a touch of that going on. Though I won’t thank you for bringing that link into my previously innocent life. Any chance the Independent would have led with a major apology to John Hume..?
Yeah, sorry about that Cú
That risk did pass my mind – even dithered about it for a bit
But figured it would do more good than harm in the long run if t’would make lads a bit more wary.
Anyway Re: the latter part of your post.
No Irish media apologise unless there is a legal boot up their behinds
So I doubt the Indo will change all that
Although you’d think Shane Ross would man up
And find his own balls
Anyway, hang tight Cú
All that pretending the CU movement doesn’t exist in any material way will be coming to an end soon
The second wave of the Pandemic/Sectarian Targeting of a new East Belfast GAA club/Beirut. It’s clear that unsafe storage of Ammonium Nitrate was responsible for the obliteration of Beirut – and the devastation of their supply chain – now it’s Tripoli, the next biggest port. During the 30 years war in Lebanon – I grew up around that time – early 70s in Ireland – The Europa Hotel in Belfast was renowned as the most blown-up hotel outside of Beirut. Different and devastating this time 1/12th of the population are f***ed. Their government – well, that’s the problem.
Shayna rarely mentions the GAA, but exceptionally, she’ll mention the wholly sectarian attack on a new GAA club in East Belfast, The Club is called, “East Belfast” . The PSNI closed down roads in East and West of Belfast on Thursday. The cops arrested a 54 year old loyalist type with bomb making materials, who targeted the GAA on social media. The pandemic mask thing in shops scenario – Shayna’s is black – also I invariably wear a hat – also, I’m kinda tall, but very polite.
Easy on the cans.
Bertie is amused by Shayna’s choice to refer to herself in the third person.
Paulus has noticed that she does that from time to time.
Big J also notices
Lush has also noticed, and is glad someone else brought it up first.
Lush thinks she sees correlation between the time of the post and the grammatical preferences.
We’ve all been there.
yes indeed
Add Hezbollah and hamas into the mix
Beirut is one step away from Yemen’s fate
…are the Yanks invading…regime change is coming but they’d like it the way the zionists decree?
As compared to hamas or Fatah
Or even Iran
…only guessin’…but compered to crooked Hillary’s open slave markets in Libya…
I hope broadsheet don’t mind but I am going to bump this again because it affects every single man, woman and child on the island of Ireland.
https://twitter.com/Thorgwen/status/1291768619744088064/photo/1
According to these figures, in the middle of what we were told was the biggest pandemic of our lifetimes, there has been a drop in overall fatalities- which makes no sense whatsoever.
Unless someone can give me a rational explanation for this anomaly, what we are looking at is a fraudulent reclassification which has caused untold hardship and misery to many- the extent of which has yet to be revealed.
Have you got the statistics for hospital bed occupancy, medical worker absentee due to illness, number of people with myocarditis, number of people requiring double lung transplants, etc., compared with previous years? The death toll is only part of the story.
Don’t feed the trolls.
@ Formely, yes all those points are valid but I don’t see how they would have an impact on the overall fatality rate?
When the hospitals are full and there aren’t any medical staff left, more people will die from more causes. That hasn’t happened because of lockdowns.
It is almost like some people here have forgotten the army in Italy being needed to remove all the corpses. And the icerinks being used as temporary morgue.
But sure it’s just a bit of a flu.
now Cian it’s not that straightforward,
demographics, social behavior and lower testing capacity are just some of the reasons why Italy and Spain had the highest number of deaths in the world initially, for examplethe first group of people to get hit by the virus in the country were the elderly.
OECD data shows that Italy has the second oldest population in the world, after Japan.
So it’s “Just a flu” unless you are Italian, Spanish, British, or from New York? Then it is really serious?
Agreed Janet- Dr Macus de Brun is of the opinion that the rate per million is very misleading because more than 90% of the fatalities are in the over 65 category.
Sweden for example has 3 times the number of over 65’s than Ireland and as a percentage, have less deaths than Ireland within that group.
And then there is the other issue of previous mild respiratory viral years. Viruses sweep every year and countries which had two mild seasons beforehand had a spike in 2020, while those who average or higher fatalities did not- this is borne out by the data- Italy is definitely in the first group.
But none of that explains why we are supposed to have an ADDITIONAL 1700 then revised down to 1100, while ALSO having a lower over all fatality rate than the previous three years.
People did not just stop dying from other things.
“…Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive…”
“Sweden for example has 3 times the number of over 65’s than Ireland and as a percentage, have less deaths than Ireland within that group. ”
FAKE NEWS (aka lies)
How is this relevant? Sweden has over 2 times the population of Ireland. They have more older people (20% are over 65; we have 14%).
In terms of deaths:
Sweden 8,750 deaths from 10.3 million = 550 per 100,000
Ireland 1,770 deaths from 4.9 million = 360 per 100,000
For the under 65s:
Sweden 342 deaths from 8.2 million = 41 per 100,000
Ireland 119 deaths from 4.2 million = 28 per 100,000
For the over 65:
Sweden 5,358 deaths from 2 million = 2,595 per 100,000
Ireland 1,653 deaths from 0.7million = 2,374 per 100,000
I’m dubious about many things since this all started, SOQ; and while I can understand what you’re getting at, and why you are being so vehemently sceptical, I don’t get my facts off a Twitter account. Nor do I come onto Broadsheet to ask for confirmation or otherwise. I suspect you’ll have to dig deeper for the real facts; but I wouldn’t trust the internet.
No question but those ARE official figures form welfare.ie- the only question is if the last two weeks in May will marginally rise- they ARE the real facts.
I am just asking if there is something else I am missing is all because I find it hard to believe that we have gone through all of this for something with such questionable fatality rates.
Here’s one for you SOQ: https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/
It’s beginning to look like the total lockdown is a mistake.
Here’s one for you SOQ: https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/
It’s looking like total lockdown has been a terrible mistake.
(Already posted but didn’t come up, so apologies if this pops up twice)
Thank you Cú- that is a refreshing perspective.
The game changer I think will be a test for SARS-Cov-2 t cells. They already have one for SARS-Cov-1 and there appears to be a link between high levels of people testing positive for SARS-Cov-1 t cells and low infection rates of 2- which would make sense as one is a derivative of the other.
Epistemology is a branch of philosophy that endeavours to strive for certain knowledge. It seeks to test how we know and how we can verify what we know. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State for Defence in Washington DC in 2002, famously declared about political and military intelligence: “Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.”
His words/thoughts could be applied to the quest for true and certain knowledge about the corona-19 pandemic. I am particularly drawn to his concept of ‘unknown unknowns’. These are the facts and insights into knowledge that we know we don’t know. We need to tread warily knowing that there is uncertainty about certain certainties.
Enjoy your breakfast and avoid crowds.
I want to puke instead. Rumsfeld was the subject of widespread mockery for years for that speech which was used to justify mass murder and genocide
The Devil can cite scripture for his own ends, etc, etc. And I agree re Rumsfeld. But it doesn’t take away from the point being made; it’s an interesting point of debate
Does anybody remember the concept of debate?
Yes I see what you’re doing there.
Gabby is citing as a reference that is a summary of some kind of an example of a starting point. I’d prefer to debate the known, the provable or logical and else the bar still can be the venue for the speculative.
And that scumbag described as a “Carer”.
Name and shame and then punish properly.
sadistic, who delights in that kind of cruelty
Brexit Say the French ? Well stopping the migrants crossing the manche is no longer our problem..
actually much as I love it there it’s a very infuriating personality traits of the French to always react initially to a complaint with ” it wasn’t me ” or ” it’s not my problem ” , especially in the workplace, I’d have to explain the nouvelle concept of that being irrelevant and actually being there to discuss a solution,
I guess the solution here is ” it’s not our problem anymore “…
hang on …are the Irish government French in disguise with the collusion of terrible tailors
At the same time, who’s footing the bill of 8 million euros/year to check freight traffic? It’s not the UK, it’s the port of Calais.
And while I agree with your point re our Gallic friends, I’m more than happy to get to use that word again:
schadenfreude.
oh I wasn’t judging them, merely an observation :)
it’s your word of the week !
Simon Cowell has broken his back after falling off an electric bicycle in California.
…it saddens me greatly that I even know who Simon Cowell is…
Haha, true. He’s ubiquitous.
+1
He is the poster boy for high waisted trousers
Star – any excuse to say “Willie”. Good though.
@Bojodger And why am I on the Naughty List again (third time in three days). Getting a bit much now.
Only surprised they didn’t get a seagull in on the gag..!!
Anyone else get the feeling that some lads around here do all their reading and cogging over on Gript
And do all their commenting here
Anyone?
Gript ?
You made me look. John McGurk. Urgh.
Definitely a touch of that going on. Though I won’t thank you for bringing that link into my previously innocent life. Any chance the Independent would have led with a major apology to John Hume..?
Yeah, sorry about that Cú
That risk did pass my mind – even dithered about it for a bit
But figured it would do more good than harm in the long run if t’would make lads a bit more wary.
Anyway Re: the latter part of your post.
No Irish media apologise unless there is a legal boot up their behinds
So I doubt the Indo will change all that
Although you’d think Shane Ross would man up
And find his own balls
Anyway, hang tight Cú
All that pretending the CU movement doesn’t exist in any material way will be coming to an end soon
V
If I wasn’t paranoid before…!!
Bullseye!